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    Lent started today.

    It may have been addressed on other boards, but I've always found the tradition of lent to be interesting...particularly as it pertains to the fact that the LDS church doesn't practice it. I did some sleuthing on a very reliable site (Wikipedia) and here are some of the more interesting facts I found:

    Lent in the Christian tradition, is the period of the liturgical year leading up to Easter. Lent is a time of sacrifice for Jesus. The traditional purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer — through prayer, repentance, almsgiving and self-denial — for the annual commemoration during Holy Week of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus, which recalls the events linked to the Passion of Christ and culminates in Easter, the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    Conventionally, it is described as being forty days long, though different denominations calculate the forty days differently. The forty days represent the time that, according to the Bible, Jesus spent in the desert before the beginning of his public ministry, where he endured temptation by Satan.
    Most followers of Western Christianity observe Lent beginning on Ash Wednesday and concluding on Holy Saturday. The six Sundays in this period are not counted because each one represents a "mini-Easter," a celebration of Jesus' victory over sin and death. One notable exception is the Archdiocese of Milan which follows the Ambrosian Rite and observes Lent starting on the Sunday, 6 weeks before Easter.
    There are traditionally forty days in Lent which are marked by fasting, both from foods and festivities, and by other acts of penance. The three traditional practices to be taken up with renewed vigor during Lent are prayer (justice towards God), fasting (justice towards self), and almsgiving (justice towards neighbor). Today, some people give up a vice of theirs, add something that will bring them closer to God, and often give the time or money spent doing that to charitable purposes or organizations.
    Traditionally, on Easter Sunday, Roman Catholics may cease their fasting and start again whatever they gave up for Lent, after they attend Mass on Easter Sunday. Orthodox Christians break their fast after the Paschal Vigil (a service which starts around 11:00 pm on Holy Saturday), which includes the Paschal celebration of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. At the end of the service, the priest will bless eggs, cheese, flesh meats and other items that the faithful have been abstaining from for the duration of Great Lent.

    Lenten practices (as well as various other liturgical practices) are more common in Protestant circles than they once were. Many modern Protestants consider the observation of Lent to be a choice, rather than an obligation. They may decide to give up a favorite food or drink (e.g. chocolate, alcohol) or activity (e.g., going to the movies, playing video games, etc.) for Lent, or they may instead take on a Lenten discipline such as devotions, volunteering for charity work, and so on.

    So, one thing jumped out at me that I didn't know. The first was that the 6 Sundays leading up to Easter are mini Easters. Now, I'm not sure if that means that whatever people are giving up for Lent is allowed or not, it doesn't make that clear, but I thought that was interesting nonetheless.

    I'm interested to hear some of our historians on the board discuss a little about why it is that the LDS church does not practice Lent. I know that some of the same methods or motivations are a part of our fast-Sunday practices, but certainly not all. I would really prefer this not to be an "air your grievances" thread. I'm genuinely interested in how this has evolved over the years outside of the LDS church, and why it was never included as part of our practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Lent started today.

    It may have been addressed on other boards, but I've always found the tradition of lent to be interesting...particularly as it pertains to the fact that the LDS church doesn't practice it. I did some sleuthing on a very reliable site (Wikipedia) and here are some of the more interesting facts I found:

    So, one thing jumped out at me that I didn't know. The first was that the 6 Sundays leading up to Easter are mini Easters. Now, I'm not sure if that means that whatever people are giving up for Lent is allowed or not, it doesn't make that clear, but I thought that was interesting nonetheless.

    I'm interested to hear some of our historians on the board discuss a little about why it is that the LDS church does not practice Lent. I know that some of the same methods or motivations are a part of our fast-Sunday practices, but certainly not all. I would really prefer this not to be an "air your grievances" thread. I'm genuinely interested in how this has evolved over the years outside of the LDS church, and why it was never included as part of our practices.

    TIA!
    It's the same reason the LDS Chruch eschews wine. Lent is in the tradition of the GAAC/older or original part or trunk of Christianity. It's old world vestigial Christianity.

    There were three major Christian schisms: Roman/Orthodox Christianity, Roman/Protestant Reformation, Mainline/Evangelical (American frontier). Mormonism is in the last dissident group. It is far as far removed from lent on this tree as humans are from tails.
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    The 40 day period is silly. In an earlier forum post, we discussed how "forty days and forty nights" was a poetic term for "a long time."

    It's like if Moses said a certain offering was to cost "an arm and a leg" and so modern adherents cut off their limbs to pay the fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Lied View Post
    The 40 day period is silly. In an earlier forum post, we discussed how "forty days and forty nights" was a poetic term for "a long time."

    It's like if Moses said a certain offering was to cost "an arm and a leg" and so modern adherents cut off their limbs to pay the fee.
    40 is a symbol for rebirth, not just a long time. There's a lot of symbolism in the liturgical calendar that those who reject it miss out on. I like Lent and celebrate it in my own way. Were I on campus today I'd go to mass and get my ashes with the students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pellegrino View Post
    40 is a symbol for rebirth, not just a long time. There's a lot of symbolism in the liturgical calendar that those who reject it miss out on. I like Lent and celebrate it in my own way. Were I on campus today I'd go to mass and get my ashes with the students.
    Having grown up in SLC, the practices associated with Lent were completely foreign to me. Even spending 2 years in predominantly Catholic Quebec did not clue me in. My first year in Philadelphia I'm walking down the hall in the hospital and see one of my co-residents. He has a huge black mark on his forehead. It looked to me like he had accidently smeared ink across his forehead. I was about to stop him and advise him of his appearance when I saw one of the priests at the hospital with the same mark on his forehead. It took me a minute to finally figure out what was going on.
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    Lent for me means the return of Filet o Fish Fridays. $1.29 this friday and the tradition will continue till next year.

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    my college age daughter and her room mates decided to celebrate lent this year by giving up meat, i don't think they will be upping their consumption of fish. I asked her why and she said it seemed like the thing to do. (both giving up meat - she doesn't eat it that much anyway and celebrating lent)

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    I was at the foodcourt and realized it was Ash Wednesday. Not a usual sight in SLC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Lent started today.

    It may have been addressed on other boards, but I've always found the tradition of lent to be interesting...particularly as it pertains to the fact that the LDS church doesn't practice it. I did some sleuthing on a very reliable site (Wikipedia) and here are some of the more interesting facts I found:
    I'm probably wrong here but isn't Lent just a really long fast? It seems that the purpose is the same between Catholics and Mormons even if the process is a bit different.

    I also almost emailed a good Catholic friend to go to lunch today but then realized he'd be at mass and would be wearing the ash on his forehead the rest of the day. I think we'll hit up lunch tomorrow.
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    An interesting and timely post on bcc. http://bycommonconsent.com/2011/03/08/ash-wednesday/
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    It is far as far removed from lent on this tree as humans are from tails.
    If you google "people born with tails" you come up with some interesting images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Lied View Post
    The 40 day period is silly. In an earlier forum post, we discussed how "forty days and forty nights" was a poetic term for "a long time."

    It's like if Moses said a certain offering was to cost "an arm and a leg" and so modern adherents cut off their limbs to pay the fee.
    Right. It's just like when LDS General Authorities like Jeff Holland talk about Adam and Even like they were real people in discussing the law of chastity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by landpoke View Post
    If you google "people born with tails" you come up with some interesting images.
    DO I even want to knoiw why you know this?
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    I didn't see a soul with ashes on their foreheads here in the most catholic country in the world.

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    Interestingly enough, ESPN put both Digger Phelps and Tony Reali (among others I'm sure) with Ashes on their foreheads. I don't think I've ever seen that on TV on ash wednesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    I didn't see a soul with ashes on their foreheads here in the most catholic country in the world.
    What are you doing at the Vatican?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    I didn't see a soul with ashes on their foreheads here in the most catholic country in the world.
    I don't know what you call the most Catholic country in the world (that generalization has a lot of problems on its face), but I've been in Boston and Seattle and St. Paul-Minneapolis airport today and seen dozens of people with them.
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    Quite a number of ashes in heavily Catholic New Mexico. I still have to fight the urge to tell people that they have pen on their forehead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    Quite a number of ashes in heavily Catholic New Mexico. I still have to fight the urge to tell people that they have pen on their forehead.
    I wonder why there are so many in heavily Catholic New Mexico but none in THE MOST CATHOLIC COUNTRY IN THE WORLD (whatever that is).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I wonder why there are so many in heavily Catholic New Mexico but none in THE MOST CATHOLIC COUNTRY IN THE WORLD (whatever that is).
    He lives in Brazil, so I think that must be what he is talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    He lives in Brazil, so I think that must be what he is talking about.
    SU is just mad at me tonight. He knows precisely what the most catholic country in the world is. In fact, he lived here.

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    I am giving up sugary treats and Dr. Peper for Lent. I am starting tomorrow because we had UD's birthday cake tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperGabers View Post
    I am giving up sugary treats and Dr. Peper for Lent. I am starting tomorrow because we had UD's birthday cake tonight.
    good for you SG, I always have a tough time choosing something to give up for lent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pellegrino View Post
    good for you SG, I always have a tough time choosing something to give up for lent.
    You could give up fizzy water???

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperGabers View Post
    You could give up fizzy water???
    see, that's my problem, I think too big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pellegrino View Post
    good for you SG, I always have a tough time choosing something to give up for lent.
    My co-worker is giving up his new years resolutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Interestingly enough, ESPN put both Digger Phelps and Tony Reali (among others I'm sure) with Ashes on their foreheads. I don't think I've ever seen that on TV on ash wednesday.
    Tony has done it at least the past couple of years, but I tune out Digger whenever possible so I can't vouch for him.

    As a Baptist in my younger years, we didn't do Lent and I wasn't familiar with the ash until after my mission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    Quite a number of ashes in heavily Catholic New Mexico. I still have to fight the urge to tell people that they have pen on their forehead.
    I was in Houston one ash Wednesday. My coworker and I were in the elevator, she is a first gen Korean American. Someone else walked into the elevator with ash on the forehead and my coworker told them they had toner on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parrot Head View Post
    Tony has done it at least the past couple of years, but I tune out Digger whenever possible so I can't vouch for him.

    As a Baptist in my younger years, we didn't do Lent and I wasn't familiar with the ash until after my mission.
    He coached at Notre Dame, so I shouldn't be surprised.

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