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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    The J. Roob CSO is claiming $120,000 as the median salary of the 2010 graduating class. Anecdotally, I know most of my class isn't making anywhere near those kinds of bones. The U of U law school reports $80,000 as its median salary. One of these things is not like the other . . . Are they still reporting Steve Young's salary?

    The main CSO page also claims that 85% of graduates have jobs upon graduation. A scant 35–40% of my class had jobs upon graduation.

    I know the school wants to reflect well upon itself. Everybody fudges numbers and uses creative math to arrive at their statistics. Some of this seems like outright fabrication, however.
    I don't know about CSOs at other schools, but BYU's is pretty much worthless. The best advice they could give me was to start my own firm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I just think that income alone is such a small factor. Don't a lot of Harvard Law types prefer low-paying academic, government, and non-profit sector types of jobs?
    I think that most young college grads headed to law school have no real idea what money is or how much they will need when they are out of school. They mainly want to be employable after graduation (i.e., not selling insurance or residential real estate because that's all they can find).

    On the other hand, it seems to me that the ones who have the chance to go to Harvard, Yale, et al., are more inclined to think "life-long major credential, big bucks if I want them, big opportunities, entree into the jet stream of American society," etc. The real scandal to me is how much debt some of those young people take on in order to get that big-time credential. Even if they wanted to teach or give government service, they often find themselves stuck in BigLaw chasing a big salary so they can pay off those loans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think that most young college grads headed to law school have no real idea what money is or how much they will need when they are out of school. They mainly want to be employable after graduation (i.e., not selling insurance or residential real estate because that's all they can find).

    On the other hand, it seems to me that the ones who have the chance to go to Harvard, Yale, et al., are more inclined to think "life-long major credential, big bucks if I want them, big opportunities, entree into the jet stream of American society," etc. The real scandal to me is how much debt some of those young people take on in order to get that big-time credential. Even if they wanted to teach or give government service, they often find themselves stuck in BigLaw chasing a big salary so they can pay off those loans.
    And many of those who do public interest law do it with student loan forgiveness at the very forefront of their reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    If people have a different reason for going to law school, they soon learn that they were naive.
    Yup

    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    If by a lot you mean a handful, then yes. 99% of the law students going to Harvard are looking to make as much coin as possible.
    Double yup.

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I just think that income alone is such a small factor. Don't a lot of Harvard Law types prefer low-paying academic, government, and non-profit sector types of jobs?
    See above. Common misconception. Or maybe you were being sarcastic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think that most young college grads headed to law school have no real idea what money is or how much they will need when they are out of school. They mainly want to be employable after graduation (i.e., not selling insurance or residential real estate because that's all they can find).

    On the other hand, it seems to me that the ones who have the chance to go to Harvard, Yale, et al., are more inclined to think "life-long major credential, big bucks if I want them, big opportunities, entree into the jet stream of American society," etc. The real scandal to me is how much debt some of those young people take on in order to get that big-time credential. Even if they wanted to teach or give government service, they often find themselves stuck in BigLaw chasing a big salary so they can pay off those loans.
    That's too bad.

    Yeah, heavy student debt in both law and medicine create some unfortunate incentives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    See above. Common misconception. Or maybe you were being sarcastic?
    No, I was serious. Didn't Obama just become a "community organizer" after law school? It seems like there would be a lot of top law students from wealthier families who would eschew the corporate rat race and just want an easy, cushy job.

    I know a lot of physicians who went to the best med schools around but have no desire whatsoever to make a lot of money -- they just want to work at easy academic jobs where they don't have to take call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    No, I was serious. Didn't Obama just become a "community organizer" after law school? It seems like there would be a lot of top law students from wealthier families who would eschew the corporate rat race and just want an easy, cushy job.

    I know a lot of physicians who went to the best med schools around but have no desire whatsoever to make a lot of money -- they just want to work at easy academic jobs where they don't have to take call.
    It was definitely about the coin for most people at my school, which admittedly wasn't Harvard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    It was definitely about the coin for most people at my school, which admittedly wasn't Harvard.
    Not Harvard but pretty close so I believe you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    It was definitely about the coin for most people at my school, which admittedly wasn't Harvard.
    People may attend law school for a lot of different reasons, but after first semester grades come out, it's all about scrambling for gainful employment--with the tacit understanding that anything that pays semi-decently will require your soul.

    The reality in this economy is that most people aren't getting jobs paying $120,000. It's laughable that the BYU CSO should claim that as their median private sector salary for the 2010 class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    No, I was serious. Didn't Obama just become a "community organizer" after law school? It seems like there would be a lot of top law students from wealthier families who would eschew the corporate rat race and just want an easy, cushy job.

    I know a lot of physicians who went to the best med schools around but have no desire whatsoever to make a lot of money -- they just want to work at easy academic jobs where they don't have to take call.
    No slam on Obama intended, but I don't think college or law school posed a financial hardship for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    No slam on Obama intended, but I don't think college or law school posed a financial hardship for him.
    Right. It's mainly people who get scholarships or have family money who can feel free to work as a DA or whatever they want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Right. It's mainly people who get scholarships or have family money who can feel free to work as a DA or whatever they want to do.
    He was also a law school prof., which is a great way to make 90k+ with relatively few hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I just think that income alone is such a small factor. Don't a lot of Harvard Law types prefer low-paying academic, government, and non-profit sector types of jobs?
    Some. I'm not sure there are such things as low-paying academic jobs for law school profs. The ABA, I believe, sets a minimum salary level for accreditation (at least, that's what I've been told), and those fellas may not be rolling in it, but they're not paupers either.

    But what applicants really need is a clear idea of what they can expect in return for three years of their lives and six figures of their future salaries. Besides, until this year the top-14 have been the same top-14 for nearly two decades, so it's not like it's any secret which schools are the best.
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    New USNR: BYU improves 5 places to 41. Utah drops 10 to 54.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Student View Post
    http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/2019-usnwr-rankings/

    New USNR: BYU improves 5 places to 41. Utah drops 10 to 54.
    jrcls is still massively underrated at 41
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    This poorly-written joke is really not as clever as the writer thinks it is, but I'll laugh at pretty much anything that comes at SJQLS's expense:

    The biggest winners here were Pepperdine, Denver, Miami, and Villanova, each gaining 12 places in the rankings. The biggest losers in this segment of the rankings were Utah and Rutgers, with 10- and 12-spot drops, respectively. Utah’s loss was another law school’s gain in this year’s edition of the rankings, as the school politely showed itself out of the Top 50 after the State Bar emailed a picture of a topless woman to every attorney licensed in the jurisdiction. It was later determined that the inappropriate email was “a result of human error,” and we have a feeling that “human error[s]” — like class credentials, employment statistics, and bar passage rates — were also responsible for Utah Law’s rankings drop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    This poorly-written joke is really not as clever as the writer thinks it is, but I'll laugh at pretty much anything that comes at SJQLS's expense:
    For once, though, Quinney can claim better facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    For once, though, Quinney can claim better facilities.
    the new building is nice. wish jrcls would do the same, but they’re just dumping a bunch of money into the ugliest building on campus instead.
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