Ultimate punishment for looking at porn right here

[The_Tick]

True, but the industry also chews these stars up and spits them out, always searching for newer and younger talent. And let's not pretend that these women are being paid super well for all of the abuse (physical, emotional, mental) they endure because of the job. Many, if not most, of them end up addicted to drugs and/or alcohol as a means of coping with their jobs.

Just like actresses in Hollywood...but just with less money!

That's crazy. The vast majority of women in the porn industry make very little money.

You are right. But they make substantially more than the men do in the industry.

That is probably true. But regardless of how much money the women make, the men make less. Hell, there'd probably be a line a mile long of guys who would be willing to do it for free.

Which is why the women make so much more than the men. There are women with 7 figure deals. Men don't get nearly anything like that.

[Pelado]

Just like actresses in Hollywood...but just with less money!



You are right. But they make substantially more than the men do in the industry.



Which is why the women make so much more than the men. There are women with 7 figure deals. Men don't get nearly anything like that.

Your knowledge of the adult entertainment industry is alarming impressive.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You are right. But they make substantially more than the men do in the industry.

I am willing to wager that the folks at the top of porn food chain making billions are primarily men.

[tooblue]

I am willing to wager that the folks at the top of porn food chain making billions are primarily men.

According to a porn actress writing for the Daily Beast (I don't know if that's a reputable source), the top earners might make upwards of 300 to 400k per year, while the average earner makes 40k - 50k or less

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-ad...h-as-you-think

As for who is at the top of the food chain ... it's Silicon Valley:

https://www.wired.com/2015/10/the-po...u-think-it-is/

"The thing about the adult industry today is that ... it's a very low-margin business."

[The_Tick]

Your knowledge of the adult entertainment industry is alarming impressive.

Everything I know about it, which isn't much, I gleaned from a Podcast I listened to one day. Could have been Adam Carolla or Joe Rogan. Don't remember which one.

I'd google some more info, money info not photos, but I'm at work.

[Northwestcoug]

Is the bolded sentence really what you meant to say? I think we should almost never demonize PEOPLE (Ted Bundy and other select Utes notwithstanding) but the demonization of certain types of porn is both easy and easily justified. And from my POV the risk of pervasive access to all types of porn includes but far exceeds the recalibration of the limits of sexual deviancy. It also has the potential to interfere with the creation of sound relationships, as well as to diminish the strength of existing marriage bonds. If your point is to suggest that we treat people lovingly and not condemn them as other than human for seeking to satisfy biological urges, that is fine. But if you are suggesting we should simply ignore the ill effects of the current trends in media with respect to pornography, I think you are misguided.

No. I'm saying that we shouldn't demonize what I perceive to be normal human behavior. We are all exposed to at least someone's definition to porn. It does not all lead to sexual deviancy or marital infidelity. That is strongly implied in some circles, and I think that perception can do a lot of unnecessary damage to people.

This kerfluffle started with pushing back on my skepticism of the concept and extent of porn addiction. I don't think the pervasiveness of porn has translated to a pervasive porn addiction in general, at least using the term 'addiction' correctly. I have never once suggested that we simply ignore the current trends. Please note that I agree there is porn consumption out there that is certainly way outside normal human behavior. There is danger out there; all of us as parents know this.

[Jeff Lebowski]

No. I'm saying that we shouldn't demonize what I perceive to be normal human behavior. We are all exposed to at least someone's definition to porn. It does not all lead to sexual deviancy or marital infidelity. That is strongly implied in some circles, and I think that perception can do a lot of unnecessary damage to people.

This kerfluffle started with pushing back on my skepticism of the concept and extent of porn addiction. I don't think the pervasiveness of porn has translated to a pervasive porn addiction in general, at least using the term 'addiction' correctly. I have never once suggested that we simply ignore the current trends. Please note that I agree there is porn consumption out there that is certainly way outside normal human behavior. There is danger out there; all of us as parents know this.

Nobody here has claimed that all porn leads to sexual deviancy or marital infidelity. Let's put that strawman to rest. At the same time, that doesn't mean that porn does not have a negative impact on society. There is plenty of evidence that it does, and it is not all based on religious concepts.

I have counseled countless young men and women with pornography habits. Never once did I "demonize" them. I always started out by explaining that the urge to view pornography was based on a perfectly natural, god-given set of sexual urges that when used in the context of marriage would be a tremendous source of joy and happiness. I also counseled them that learning to control those appetites and not be controlled by them was one of the keys to a happy life and is similar to controlling eating habits, spending habits, etc.

[Walter Sobchak]

No. I'm saying that we shouldn't demonize what I perceive to be normal human behavior. We are all exposed to at least someone's definition to porn. It does not all lead to sexual deviancy or marital infidelity. That is strongly implied in some circles, and I think that perception can do a lot of unnecessary damage to people.

This kerfluffle started with pushing back on my skepticism of the concept and extent of porn addiction. I don't think the pervasiveness of porn has translated to a pervasive porn addiction in general, at least using the term 'addiction' correctly. I have never once suggested that we simply ignore the current trends. Please note that I agree there is porn consumption out there that is certainly way outside normal human behavior. There is danger out there; all of us as parents know this.

Too bad Finderson isn't here so you wouldn't be alone on that island.

[Northwestcoug]

Nobody here has claimed that all porn leads to sexual deviancy or marital infidelity. Let's put that strawman to rest. At the same time, that doesn't mean that porn does not have a negative impact on society. There is plenty of evidence that it does, and it is not all based on religious concepts.

I have counseled countless young men and women with pornography habits. Never once did I "demonize" them. I always started out by explaining that the urge to view pornography was based on a perfectly natural, god-given set of sexual urges that when used in the context of marriage would be a tremendous source of joy and happiness. I also counseled them that learning to control those appetites and not be controlled by them was one of the keys to a happy life and is similar to controlling eating habits, spending habits, etc.

I know no one is claiming that here. But it is being claimed elsewhere, including the numerous references we've talked about here over the years. There are crazy reactions towards porn that are not too difficult to find. Are these women overreacting to their husbands' porn consumption in a vacuum? Even if you don't share the same opinion, certainly you can agree that the focus on porn in the church has led to some overreaction.

While on the subject of strawmen, please put the one of continuing to assert I don't think porn has a negative impact on society to rest. I have claimed that it is part of the human condition; that doesn't mean anything about my judgment of it as a societal vice. I have talked at length about recognizing that some baseline porn consumption is not likely harmful for many people, based on the fact that there are many people who are exposed to it and have functional lives and relationships. It's just the reality we live in.

I am glad you never demonized porn habits to the youth you counseled. I would have counted myself lucky to hear your advice. My experience was not all terrible, but someone like you probably could have steered my thinking into much healthier patterns. If your experience is representative of the current church at large, then that's a good thing.

Too bad Finderson isn't here so you wouldn't be alone on that island.

Yeah, it is getting lonely here. But I don't know if he'll support me fully until I do drugs with my kids.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I know no one is claiming that here. But it is being claimed elsewhere, including the numerous references we've talked about here over the years. There are crazy reactions towards porn that are not too difficult to find. Are these women overreacting to their husbands' porn consumption in a vacuum? Even if you don't share the same opinion, certainly you can agree that the focus on porn in the church has led to some overreaction.

While on the subject of strawmen, please put the one of continuing to assert I don't think porn has a negative impact on society to rest. I have claimed that it is part of the human condition; that doesn't mean anything about my judgment of it as a societal vice. I have talked at length about recognizing that some baseline porn consumption is not likely harmful for many people, based on the fact that there are many people who are exposed to it and have functional lives and relationships. It's just the reality we live in.

I am glad you never demonized porn habits to the youth you counseled. I would have counted myself lucky to hear your advice. My experience was not all terrible, but someone like you probably could have steered my thinking into much healthier patterns. If your experience is representative of the current church at large, then that's a good thing.

I was not an anomaly. The vast majority of women in the church don't divorce their husbands over porn habits. The vast majority of bishops deal with pornography is a loving, helpful manner.

I attended a bishop training session led by Elder Christofferson. He strongly encouraged us to use love, kindness, patience, and hope as we deal with members struggling with pornography. He encouraged us not to expect perfection and to teach the women to not use perfection as a standard for dating and marriage. Don't get distracted by the crazy stories on social media. Those are outliers.

Yeah, it is getting lonely here. But I don't know if he'll support me fully until I do drugs with my kids.

That's funny.

[Northwestcoug]

I was not an anomaly. The vast majority of women in the church don't divorce their husbands over porn habits. The vast majority of bishops deal with pornography is a loving, helpful manner.

I attended a bishop training session led by Elder Christofferson. He strongly encouraged us to use love, kindness, patience, and hope as we deal with members struggling with pornography. He encouraged us not to expect perfection and to teach the women to not use perfection as a standard for dating and marriage. Don't get distracted by the crazy stories on social media. Those are outliers.

Of course divorce for porn is uncommon. But the perception that divorce is an option for otherwise casual consumption (in most instances) is wrong. I don't know how common that perception is, but I don't think it's just an issue of social media outrage. And I think the porn focus has led to this overreaction. I do recall a couple of very somber church videos that have been posted here.

In all seriousness, your experience with Christofferson is good to hear.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Of course divorce for porn is uncommon. But the perception that divorce is an option for otherwise casual consumption (in most instances) is wrong. I don't know how common that perception is, but I don't think it's just an issue of social media outrage. And I think the porn focus has led to this overreaction. I do recall a couple of very somber church videos that have been posted here.

In all seriousness, your experience with Christofferson is good to hear.

The fact that some people overreact doesn't mean that a focus on porn is wrong or not beneficial in the general sense.

[creekster]

Of course divorce for porn is uncommon. But the perception that divorce is an option for otherwise casual consumption (in most instances) is wrong. I don't know how common that perception is, but I don't think it's just an issue of social media outrage. And I think the porn focus has led to this overreaction. I do recall a couple of very somber church videos that have been posted here.

In all seriousness, your experience with Christofferson is good to hear.

With all respect, it is my recollection that you have stopped attending meetings, is that correct? That may explain the disconnect. It is my perception that the church's view and approach has matured a great deal in the last few years. I don't think JL's tactics are at all unusual. To the contrary, I think that is the view being promoted for dealing with porn as well as other issues.

[Northwestcoug]

The fact that some people overreact doesn't mean that a focus on porn is wrong or not beneficial in the general sense.

I don't disagree. But since there is a background of eternal expectations and weight of temple covenants, that focus should really be carefully applied.

[Northwestcoug]

With all respect, it is my recollection that you have stopped attending meetings, is that correct? That may explain the disconnect. It is my perception that the church's view and approach has matured a great deal in the last few years. I don't think JL's tactics are at all unusual. To the contrary, I think that is the view being promoted for dealing with porn as well as other issues.

Is that correct?!? I haven't been to church since 2012! Man, I need to be more militant here.

I fully concede the possibility that the porn focus has improved in the last few years. If so, that's a good thing.