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    My 7 year old son plays in a basketball league and our first game was yesterday. The head coach did not show up, so I was drafted to coach the game. We started with a 20 minute practice, and then play a 24 minute game.

    Initially we practiced chest/bounce passing, dribbling, rudimentary shooting, and then a few minutes practicing basic defense. We figured out that 5 of 8 players had experience from the previous season, and split up the group so that the experienced/inexperienced players would be balanced when the game started. (In this league, teams are formed completely at random, so there is no stacking of teams.)

    It turns out that the other team was completely inexperienced, none had played before. Our team got out to a fast lead. We put a great emphasis on allowing all of our players to bring the ball down the court, pass, shoot, etc. We made every effort to allow all of our players a chance to handle the ball so that they could get a feel for the game and improve.

    The referee started calling our team for absolutely ridiculous violations, in a blatant attempt to keep the game close. (Yes, this is a 7 year old league.) Even still, we said nothing. We didn't call out the ref, complain about the other teams violations, or complain that the other team had two coaches on the floor (only allowed one).

    Our team wins 20-0. Throughout the entire game we encouraged our kids to pass, use teamwork, etc. At the end of the game, the league director grabs myself and the other dad helping. He says that should we ever get up like that again, we should make our kids pass 5 times before shooting. He also suggested that we not play defense (as it was, our kids didn't pick up the other team until the made it to the free throw line). He kept going on and on about trying to keep the scores competitively even, and I stood there agreeing with him. But after a while I pointed out that we in fact were encouraging passing, weren't trying to RUTS, etc. I also pointed out that we do have the obligation to allow our lesser experienced players the chance to learn the game.

    The league official became a bit upset at that, and told us that we needed to do it, or else. At this point I backed off, and he apologized but explained that they have a ton of parents complaining about the results of games. He said that oversees a league that has over 600 players, and he regularly spends his Mondays responding to "dozens" of various complaints about the officiating, scoring, other teams, etc.

    Anyways, this certainly wasn't the most egregious example of youth-sports-gone-wild. But it opened my eyes a lot. Basically, a bunch of loudmouths with access to email can completely demasculinize a basketball league to the point that you can't actually play basketball. Instead, it's like soccer with hoops.
    "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

    - Ty Cobb

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    Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
    My 7 year old son plays in a basketball league and our first game was yesterday. The head coach did not show up, so I was drafted to coach the game. We started with a 20 minute practice, and then play a 24 minute game.

    Initially we practiced chest/bounce passing, dribbling, rudimentary shooting, and then a few minutes practicing basic defense. We figured out that 5 of 8 players had experience from the previous season, and split up the group so that the experienced/inexperienced players would be balanced when the game started. (In this league, teams are formed completely at random, so there is no stacking of teams.)

    It turns out that the other team was completely inexperienced, none had played before. Our team got out to a fast lead. We put a great emphasis on allowing all of our players to bring the ball down the court, pass, shoot, etc. We made every effort to allow all of our players a chance to handle the ball so that they could get a feel for the game and improve.

    The referee started calling our team for absolutely ridiculous violations, in a blatant attempt to keep the game close. (Yes, this is a 7 year old league.) Even still, we said nothing. We didn't call out the ref, complain about the other teams violations, or complain that the other team had two coaches on the floor (only allowed one).

    Our team wins 20-0. Throughout the entire game we encouraged our kids to pass, use teamwork, etc. At the end of the game, the league director grabs myself and the other dad helping. He says that should we ever get up like that again, we should make our kids pass 5 times before shooting. He also suggested that we not play defense (as it was, our kids didn't pick up the other team until the made it to the free throw line). He kept going on and on about trying to keep the scores competitively even, and I stood there agreeing with him. But after a while I pointed out that we in fact were encouraging passing, weren't trying to RUTS, etc. I also pointed out that we do have the obligation to allow our lesser experienced players the chance to learn the game.

    The league official became a bit upset at that, and told us that we needed to do it, or else. At this point I backed off, and he apologized but explained that they have a ton of parents complaining about the results of games. He said that oversees a league that has over 600 players, and he regularly spends his Mondays responding to "dozens" of various complaints about the officiating, scoring, other teams, etc.

    Anyways, this certainly wasn't the most egregious example of youth-sports-gone-wild. But it opened my eyes a lot. Basically, a bunch of loudmouths with access to email can completely demasculinize a basketball league to the point that you can't actually play basketball. Instead, it's like soccer with hoops.
    Way to many parents are putting their kids into athletic competition. A lot of these kids should be sitting at the piano practicing.

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    • #3
      That's pathetic. If parents are that bothered, they should work with their kids. One of the paralegals at work had a kid in T-ball. One day, she was lamenting the fact that he was the only kid who couldn't get a hit when the coach pitched the ball. Our office manager just looked at her and asked, "Have you practiced with him?" The paralegal's response was, "Well, no. Yeah, I should do that." A week later, she was making the same complaints and still not helping her kid.
      Not that, sickos.

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      • #4
        If your kid has talent, skip the rec leagues and go straight into travel/elite leagues.

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        • #5
          The wussification of youth sports is a direct result of weenies who believe that humans have self esteem made of very flimsy glass. I would make a comment about the political leanings of the group of crybabies who are to blame for this, but we all know which way they lean, so no need to say it.

          SJS, I say if you end up coaching another game, show the league official what RUTS really is. If he/she doesn't want to hear the complaints, he/she should step down and let someone with balls run the league.
          "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


          "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mUUser View Post
            If your kid has talent, skip the rec leagues and go straight into travel/elite leagues.
            They have elite leagues for 7 year olds? Wow.
            "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

            - Ty Cobb

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            • #7
              San Juan,

              With my mic cutting in and out yesterday, I don't know if you heard me explain how odd I think this was. 20-0 isn't very many points, and getting skunked is a good thing because it reminds you that you don't always win.
              "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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              • #8
                Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                SJS, I say if you end up coaching another game, show the league official what RUTS really is. If he/she doesn't want to hear the complaints, he/she should step down and let someone with balls run the league.
                Trust me, if we really unleashed our kids, it would have been 35-0. I'm sure they'd love that. Essentially, he's asking us to do the equivalent of taking a knee, every down, starting early in the 3rd quarter.
                "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                - Ty Cobb

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                  San Juan,

                  With my mic cutting in and out yesterday, I don't know if you heard me explain how odd I think this was. 20-0 isn't very many points, and getting skunked is a good thing because it reminds you that you don't always win.
                  In this league, scoring 20 is like scoring 35 in a college football game. Not unheard of, but a blowout.

                  BTW, your mic sucks. Don't bring that junk when Black Ops rolls out.
                  "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                  - Ty Cobb

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                    Trust me, if we really unleashed our kids, it would have been 35-0. I'm sure they'd love that. Essentially, he's asking us to do the equivalent of taking a knee, every down, starting early in the 3rd quarter.
                    Which is exactly why you should RUTS. I'm all for good sportsmanship, but good sportsmanship isn't not blowing a team out so as to not hurt their feelings. Good sportsmanship is playing hard and then praising the other team for playing just as hard, win or lose.
                    "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                    "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                    • #11
                      I can't understand why 7 year olds are in any any sort of a basketball league. That's 2nd grade. Absurd. Let the kids dribble the ball in the back yard.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                        They have elite leagues for 7 year olds? Wow.

                        Yes - where we live they do, for basketball, baseball, softball, football, soccer and cheer....those are the ones I personally know about.

                        My 9 year old will travel for football tournys the next three weeks (twice out of state) . Genuine hitting, genuine plays, genuine competition. Very, very fun.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post

                          SJS, I say if you end up coaching another game, show the league official what RUTS really is. If he/she doesn't want to hear the complaints, he/she should step down and let someone with balls run the league.
                          I agree with you. The problem is totally with the president of the league. Being a president of a league means dealing with parents and their complaints and being able to hold your ground. This guy sounds like he needs to go learn how to play Kumbaya on his guitar and leave his presidential duties to someone who can handle whiny parents. I don't care how you run a league, there will be parents who complain.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mUUser View Post
                            Yes - where we live they do, for basketball, baseball, softball, football, soccer and cheer....those are the ones I personally know about.

                            My 9 year old will travel for football tournys the next three weeks (twice out of state) . Genuine hitting, genuine plays, genuine competition. Very, very fun.
                            Very, very fun for parents who can't wait until their kids are in Jr. High to start living vicariously through them.
                            Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                            There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                            • #15
                              Update:

                              The head coach injured his knee, requiring surgery. So now I'm the head coach.

                              Time to RUTS, baby. There will be no mercy and we'll hold everyone accounatable.
                              "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                              - Ty Cobb

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