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  • #31
    Originally posted by Green Lantern View Post
    See, to me that is the least interesting part of the story. The story is about survival in a dystopic world. Who cares how it happened? What use would that information have to the survivors? All that matters now is how to keep on going. You'll probably want to know that, if this series stays at all true to its source material, it will never answer those questions you're asking.
    No one NEEDS to know it, and as I've said above, I don't NEED to have the question answered. I just need the question to be acknowledged. You can't tell me that if you woke up tomorrow and your family was gone and the town was full of zombies you wouldn't be asking "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?!?!" The fact that nobody is asking that question (or, more accurately, that Rick isn't asking that question) doesn't seem real.

    And I don't agree that how it happened is immaterial. Someone's got to be thinking about how to escape this horrible world and possibly eradicate the walkers, and you'd think learning what's causing the dead to walk would be a major objective in accomplishing that. If everyone's just huddling together trying to stave off death for several seasons, I'm going to lose interest. That story can only be told for so long (although, as I understand it, that's the direction the comic has gone in).
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

    "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by falafel View Post
      I watched the premier last night, but I wasn't blown away. It was good, and I'll return next week, but I felt like it was a little empty, especially for an hour and a half premier. I don't know what it was. Probably would have liked to have met a few more characters, or maybe spent a little more time with Shane and Carl and Lori.

      Or at least give me some more info about the fever. That would be the FIRST thing I'd ask about when I woke up at the black dude's house. What's this disease? How did it start? How far has it spread? What was the news before the broadcasts went down? Instead, the main dude was just like "there's a fever that turns people into walkers? Bummer. I wonder where my family went." Even if they don't want to address those questions in the premier, the least they could do is acknowledge them.
      These are good points, and an obvious oversight in an otherwise great pilot.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by falafel View Post
        No one NEEDS to know it, and as I've said above, I don't NEED to have the question answered. I just need the question to be acknowledged. You can't tell me that if you woke up tomorrow and your family was gone and the town was full of zombies you wouldn't be asking "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?!?!" The fact that nobody is asking that question (or, more accurately, that Rick isn't asking that question) doesn't seem real.

        And I don't agree that how it happened is immaterial. Someone's got to be thinking about how to escape this horrible world and possibly eradicate the walkers, and you'd think learning what's causing the dead to walk would be a major objective in accomplishing that. If everyone's just huddling together trying to stave off death for several seasons, I'm going to lose interest. That story can only be told for so long (although, as I understand it, that's the direction the comic has gone in).
        I understand what you're saying. I think it's just a case of criticizing the work for not being what you thought it should be. Basically, the creators are not interested in telling the story of what set the whole thing off. They're interested in telling the story of survival in a world gone crazy. That the craziness happens to be zombies is somewhat incidental (makes for great violence though.) It's not really a story about the zombies, when you come down to it. It's a story about people and the more interesting developments will be how the different survivors interact with one another, in the face of the omnipresent threat around them.
        Kids in general these days seem more socially retarded...

        None of them date. They hang out. They text. They sit in the same car or room and don't say a word...they text. Then, they go home and whack off to internet porn.

        I think that's the sad truth about why these kids are retards.

        --Portland Ute

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        • #34
          Originally posted by falafel View Post
          And I don't agree that how it happened is immaterial.
          Someone's got to be thinking about how to escape this horrible world and possibly eradicate the walkers, and you'd think learning what's causing the dead to walk would be a major objective in accomplishing that.
          If everyone's just huddling together trying to stave off death for several seasons, I'm going to lose interest. That story can only be told for so long (although, as I understand it, that's the direction the comic has gone in).
          This is why I thought we could potentially get more information about what happened in future episodes. It was mentioned that in Atlanta they were working on some type of vaccine, so it seemed possible that as they got more into possible remedies they'd be discussing the root cause in a little more depth. That said, when we saw Atlanta it was completely wiped out, so maybe we won't learn much more about that stuff.
          So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
            I assumed the opposite, that they had no idea what caused it, which is why it was never talked about. That seems the most consistent with a cataclysmic event.
            Really? You think something so huge and disastrous that it completely transforms life and society as we know it could happen and nobody would know the cause? A nuclear bomb falls, you're mostly likely going to know that a nuclear bomb fell. Or at least you knew that there were strained relations between your country or another, or that there were terrorist attacks or something. Something that huge, can't come from no where.

            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
            Neither did this show. We see what was going on before and after whatever this event was, but was saw neither the immediately before nor immediately after. The real starting point for these characters was well into this new world that they had inhabited, especially for the main protagonist. He could have woken up one week into it, one month into it, or several months into it. I guess since there are other characters who would have been conscious at the very beginning, you wonder why the lead guy isn't more inquistive when he interacts with them -- I actually wondered the same for a bit last night, but eventually chalked it up to the fact that the writers simply didn't want us to know what happened at that point. And, like others have said, if we don't get anymore info about "the event," I'm completely fine with it, as to me it is mostly besides the point. The basics have been laid out and I think we already know the most importand bits of information.
            I'm not sure I follow you. We start (for all intents and purposes) with Rick and Shane, working as normal cops in small town Kentucky. Rick gets shot, is in the hospital (where life continues on normally for at least a few weeks, it seems, based on Shane's visit to hospital with the flowers) and then suddenly wakes up to a completely transformed world where walkers outnumber the living by like 50 to 1 or something. One day everything is normal, the next day nothing is normal. How is that not the beginning of the apocalypse (at least for Rick)?

            I'm fine if the writers don't want us to know about it. As I said, it really depends on the direction the story goes. My main gripe is that it makes the Rick character ring hollow if he's not at least curious about how his entire world got thrown upside down.

            I feel the same about Livecoug. He rings hollow to me too. I'll bet he's a walker.
            Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

            "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • #36
              Noone knows for sure where a lot of diseases have come from, only theories. It could have spread from a lot of different sources in theory.

              28 days later the movie only showed like 2 minutes showing where the disease came from right at the start of the movie and then never mentioned it again, it was just not important to the movie whatsoever.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by falafel View Post
                Really? You think something so huge and disastrous that it completely transforms life and society as we know it could happen and nobody would know the cause? A nuclear bomb falls, you're mostly likely going to know that a nuclear bomb fell. Or at least you knew that there were strained relations between your country or another, or that there were terrorist attacks or something. Something that huge, can't come from no where.
                How do you know a nuclear bomb fell? The Road gives no indication as to what happened, so I see no reason to surmise that the characters would have had any inclination as to the cause. If they did, then I think they would have addressed it, but I think it's vague for a reason. I also think it's very possible that in a scenario where something so big and disastrous that it completely transforms life and society happens, it's possible -- maybe even likely -- that there would be so little means of communication that many people would not know what was going on. That was the impression The Road gave me, and it's just one of the many reasons I liked it.

                I'm not sure I follow you. We start (for all intents and purposes) with Rick and Shane, working as normal cops in small town Kentucky. Rick gets shot, is in the hospital (where life continues on normally for at least a few weeks, it seems, based on Shane's visit to hospital with the flowers) and then suddenly wakes up to a completely transformed world where walkers outnumber the living by like 50 to 1 or something. One day everything is normal, the next day nothing is normal. How is that not the beginning of the apocalypse (at least for Rick)?
                Maybe I misunderstood you, but I thought you said this show starts at the beginning of the apocalypse. I'm saying that I don't necessarily think it does. To me if it started at the beginning, that means we would have seen everything that transpired to get the world into the space that currently inhabits -- the beginning would be the event that caused everything that came after it. But we didn't see that, and like I said, when Rick awakes, we could be one week, one month or several months into this whole mess. I don't know, because it was never addressed, but I don't feel like we started at the beginning.
                Last edited by MarkGrace; 11-03-2010, 11:41 AM.
                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                • #38
                  I would guess its been at least 1 month since the zombie infection started when Rick wakes up, but im sure Green Lantern knows the best.

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                  • #39
                    Is it available online anywhere?
                    "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Green Lantern View Post
                      I understand what you're saying. I think it's just a case of criticizing the work for not being what you thought it should be. Basically, the creators are not interested in telling the story of what set the whole thing off. They're interested in telling the story of survival in a world gone crazy. That the craziness happens to be zombies is somewhat incidental (makes for great violence though.) It's not really a story about the zombies, when you come down to it. It's a story about people and the more interesting developments will be how the different survivors interact with one another, in the face of the omnipresent threat around them.
                      I'm not sure I'm criticizing it for what I think it should be (maybe I am, but isn't that what criticism is?) as opposed to pointing out where the writers have failed to have the characters respond realistically to their changed surroundings.

                      Perhaps I've been watching too much Breaking Bad recently, but I really like how they've approached Walter White. They continually ask themselves "what would this character do here?" When I ask that question of Rick, one of the first answers I get is that Rick would seek to understand the devastation to which he's woken up, which includes asking questions about what caused it. I don't care whether the story goes any further than that question (i.e., I'm not demanding answers).

                      Really this has been several long posts in an attempt to say that I don't think Rick reacted in a realistic manner to his new world, and not a demand that the writers directly address the cause of the zombie apocalypse (although I would appreciate it if they did )
                      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                      "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • #41
                        I am pretty sure that Rick asked Morgan what was going on, but Morgan didn't know a whole lot about the disease itself, other than how it works, and some other high level details. They talked about the "ones they killed" and some other stuff. I am going to re watch tonight and pay attention to that conversation. I think a lot of this is explained by, Rick has met a total of 2 people since his coma. One was a kid and the dad didn't have much information about the happenings. It sounds like they have been dealing with trying to survive and the zombification of the mom.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                          How do you know a nuclear bomb fell? The Road gives no indication as to what happened, so I see no reason to surmise that the characters would have had any inclination as to the cause. If they did, then I think they would have addressed it, but I think it's vague for a reason. I also think it's very possible that in a scenario where something so big and disastrous that it completely transforms life and society happens, it's possible -- maybe even likely -- that there would be so little means of communication that many people would not know what was going on. That was the impression The Road gave me, and it's just one of the many reasons I liked it.
                          I didn't mean to give the impression that a nuclear bomb was what caused the apocalypse in the Road. I was just giving an example of something that could cause such a cataclysmic change to society. I agree that we don't know what happened in the Road, and that its not important. I recall vaguely thinking about what might have happened when I was reading it, but then dismissing the thought because I didn't care.

                          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                          Maybe I misunderstood you, but I thought you said this show starts at the beginning of the apocalypse. I'm saying that I don't necessarily think it does. To me if it started at the beginning, that means we would have seen everything that transpired to get the world into the space that currently inhabits -- the beginning would be the event that caused everything that came after it. But we didn't see that, and like I said, when Rick awakes, we could be one week, one month or several months into this whole mess. I don't know, because it was never addressed, but I don't feel like we started at the beginning.
                          You're right, we didn't see the apocalypse start. But did see Rick in his normal life, presumably before the apocalypse started. So the show begins before the "event," even if its just for a moment. It wouldn't matter to me if the show started some time after the event, like the Road -- I wouldn't care about what happened. But since Rick only knows that everything was normal when he was shot, and then suddenly everything is the opposite of normal when he wakes, the writers have directed the story right through that critical moment when people will try to understand the cause -- whether they can do anything about it later or not.

                          I think we know that its been at least one month since the apocolypse by the time Rick wakes up. Morgan (Lennie James) says something like the broadcasts stopped about a month ago, and that's when they stopped receiving info about Atlanta, the CDC, etc. So I'd wager its probably been 5 or 6 weeks (but at least its been one month since all hell broke loose).

                          I think I've said all I want to about this point, which, as has been pointed out, is really not a big issue. Just a small critique from me that perhaps will be addressed later, perhaps not. Its not going to hinder my enjoyment of the characters or the story I don't think.
                          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                            Is it available online anywhere?
                            amc.com?

                            I think its being replayed several times this week if you have amc.
                            Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                            "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                            • #44
                              Falafel, I don't think the writers thought the origin of the fever was at all important to the story. That doesn't mean at all that the character wasn't interested in the answer and wouldn't have asked the question. If this were real life, I'm sure he did. Therefore, I assume the character in the show did as well. It just wasn't important for us as a viewer to know. I don't think it was an oversight at all.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by LiveCoug View Post
                                Falafel, I don't think the writers thought the origin of the fever was at all important to the story. That doesn't mean at all that the character wasn't interested in the answer and wouldn't have asked the question. If this were real life, I'm sure he did. Therefore, I assume the character in the show did as well. It just wasn't important for us as a viewer to know. I don't think it was an oversight at all.
                                Okay.

                                Sort of a "God knows the answer, so don't worry about it" response.
                                Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                                "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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