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  • #31
    Originally posted by woot View Post
    I'm not really interested in debating global warming, but if you are actually asking, the climate varies cyclically according to a number of factors. These factors comprise what are called "Milankovitch cycles"

    The science most certainly doesn't say that the climate doesn't change dramatically. During the Miocene (the period from about 23-5 million years ago), for instance, the world got a lot colder and a lot drier, causing the forests to recede and leading to the evolution of tropical grasses. This is a pretty big event in my field, as is the last ice age when neanderthals were still around.

    The thing that's weird about the current warming trend is that it seems to be occurring when it shouldn't be, and is doing so more rapidly than it should even if we were supposed to be in a warming period. That's as far as I'll go on that, but regardless of which side of the debate you're on, the issue is not that anybody thinks the climate isn't supposed to ever change.
    Nice post.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
      The Daily Mail = Fox New of the UK. That article is a classic example of cherry picking by an author with an axe to grind. The graph is incredibly deceptive. There are several ways to compute average earth temperature as described here:

      https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/wh...emperature-now

      Check out the graphs in the various links. We are still in a warming trend.

      It is pretty simple mathematically to show that without a baseline of CO2, the earth would be a deep freeze. It absolutely has an effect on the earth's temperature. And just in my lifetime, CO2 has gone from 315 to 390. In my LIFETIME.

      In the second paragraph of your earlier post, you imply that all of the world's scientists are complicit in a global conspiracy to falsify data and waste money. Bullshit. That is about as likely as Bigfoot being the mastermind behind a 9-11 conspiracy.
      First of all, the 270 ppm pre-industrial figure is suspect. That figure was a product of the clowns that were the subjects/creators of the climategate emails. They started measuring CO2 levels in the early 19th century and the measurements they came up with back then don't jibe with that 270 ppm.

      http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/1...al_Methods.pdf
      Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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      • #33
        Cool article on that hippie news station, NPR, about the hunt for oil and mammoth tusks now available as arctic ice melts. Check out the size of this baby.


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        • #34
          Originally posted by YOhio View Post
          Cool article on that hippie news station, NPR, about the hunt for oil and mammoth tusks now available as arctic ice melts. Check out the size of this baby.


          That would look good above my fireplace.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by YOhio View Post
            Cool article on that hippie news station, NPR, about the hunt for oil and mammoth tusks now available as arctic ice melts. Check out the size of this baby.


            Chinese people are really small.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
              That would look good above my fireplace.
              No doubt you'd need two or three to even things out.
              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

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              • #37
                http://www.scribd.com/doc/26905897/H...tting-stronger

                "This study takes no position about the amount or causes of global warming. It simply analyses relevant quoted data and publishes the data in such a way that it can be easily checked by others."

                ...

                "Data for the years 1999-2009 are analysed and tested against long term data for the North Atlantic, Eastern Pacific, Western Pacific,Northern and Southern Indian oceans. It is concluded that Hurricane intensity and frequency is significantly higher in this period in the North Atlantic. However in the Eastern Pacific, Western Pacific, Northern and Southern Indian oceans, there is no evidence of significant change.

                Taken together, there appears to be no significant difference in either frequency or intensity of hurricanes globally. Repeating the analysis for 1999-2007 gives the same result and this conflicts with statements made in the IPCC 2007 report."

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                  Cool article on that hippie news station, NPR, about the hunt for oil and mammoth tusks now available as arctic ice melts.
                  This is a great quote:

                  In 2008, the U.S. Geological Survey released a report estimating that 13 percent of the world's remaining undiscovered oil and 30 percent of the remaining undiscovered natural gas could be in the Arctic.
                  I guess going with a rounded number like 15% would have made it obvious they were pulling stuff out of their derrieres.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                    This is a great quote:



                    In 2008, the U.S. Geological Survey released a report estimating that 13 percent of the world's remaining undiscovered oil and 30 percent of the remaining undiscovered natural gas could be in the Arctic.

                    This is what is known as irony. Greenhouse gases (allegedly) are causing the retreat of the arctic ice caps, thereby clearing the way to mine the gas reserves up there, which will create additional greenhouse gases. Pure sweetness.
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                    • #40
                      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0426115614.htm

                      I have no idea what this means or how deep the "surface" is that they use to measure temperatures. Just thought it was interesting...

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                      • #41
                        CO2 hits 400 ppm for the first time in .... oh ..... three million years or so.

                        http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...stone-400-ppm/

                        Good thing this is all just a liberal conspiracy. Phew.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          CO2 hits 400 ppm for the first time in .... oh ..... three million years or so.

                          http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...stone-400-ppm/

                          Good thing this is all just a liberal conspiracy. Phew.
                          So what was mankind doing 3 million years ago? What did mankind do 10,000 years ago to get the sea levels to rise roughly 300 feet from their levels at the peak of the last ice age?
                          Everything in life is an approximation.

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                          • #43
                            CO2 hits 400 ppm for the first time in .... oh ..... three million years or so.

                            http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...stone-400-ppm/

                            Good thing this is all just a liberal conspiracy. Phew.
                            How much of the CO2 has been proven to be man made?

                            Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                            So what was mankind doing 3 million years ago? What did mankind do 10,000 years ago to get the sea levels to rise roughly 300 feet from their levels at the peak of the last ice age?
                            An excellent question, Indy.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                              CO2 hits 400 ppm for the first time in .... oh ..... three million years or so.

                              http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...stone-400-ppm/

                              Good thing this is all just a liberal conspiracy. Phew.
                              Do the Anthropogenic Global Warming skeptics deny that CO2 concentration is rising?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                                So what was mankind doing 3 million years ago? What did mankind do 10,000 years ago to get the sea levels to rise roughly 300 feet from their levels at the peak of the last ice age?
                                Great logic there, Indy. If man didn't cause it last time, we couldn't possibly be causing it now.
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                                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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