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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    just saying it might be time for a move bro
    Where's the fun in that?
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    Wth?
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    Yeah, I thought it was funny. Especially the “top 5 liberal progressive states” comment.
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    Isn't there a MLK Blvd in SLC? Case closed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Isn't there a MLK Blvd in SLC? Case closed!
    And a Cesar Chavez Blvd!
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    Freakin' liberal RINOS and their hardcore rap.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Not surprising, but the latest attempts at Utah moving forward with medical marijuana will be killed again with a statement from the LDS church.

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...nitiative.html

    "We respect the wise counsel of the medical doctors of Utah. The public interest is best served when all new drugs designed to relieve suffering and illness and the procedures by which they are made available to the public undergo the scrutiny of medical scientists and official approval bodies."

    "We believe that society is best served by requiring marijuana to go through further research and the FDA approval process that all other drugs must go through before they are prescribed to patients."
    I agree that it would be great if marijuana could undergo the scrutiny of medical scientists and official approval bodies, but that is damn near impossible with it still being a Schedule I drug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    Not surprising, but the latest attempts at Utah moving forward with medical marijuana will be killed again with a statement from the LDS church.

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...nitiative.html



    I agree that it would be great if marijuana could undergo the scrutiny of medical scientists and official approval bodies, but that is damn near impossible with it still being a Schedule I drug.

    Utahns can just take a little ski trip over in Colorado to get their medical MarriJane hit... of course, Colorado gets all the tax revenue thanks to those that keep blocking it.

    I hear that marijuana, BTW, is very effective for folks that are dependent on alcohol (i.e., treatment of alcoholism). Of course, alcohol is a far nastier drug. Maybe something to keep in mind to pass on to your drinking buddies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Utahns can just take a little ski trip over in Colorado to get their medical MarriJane hit... of course, Colorado gets all the tax revenue thanks to those that keep blocking it.

    I hear that marijuana, BTW, is very effective for folks that are dependent on alcohol (i.e., treatment of alcoholism). Of course, alcohol is a far nastier drug. Maybe something to keep in mind to pass on to your drinking buddies.
    Part of the problem right now is that much of the medical benefits that are touted seem to be based on junk science. Like I said earlier, it is the essential oils crowd that seem to be biggest proponents. And anecdotal stuff like the link you posted. I wish we had better hard data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Part of the problem right now is that much of the medical benefits that are touted seem to be based on junk science. Like I said earlier, it is the essential oils crowd that seem to be biggest proponents. And anecdotal stuff like the link you posted. I wish we had better hard data.
    I’d really like to have marijuana as an alternative to opiates for pain management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I’d really like to have marijuana as an alternative to opiates for pain management.
    That would be good. Do we have some data showing that it reduces opiate addiction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    That would be good. Do we have some data showing that it reduces opiate addiction?
    We might if it wasn't a schedule 1 drug.

    Also, it would have been nice for this ballot initiative to be given a fair chance to let the voters decide than to have it killed by a statement and letters that will be read in sacrament meeting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    That would be good. Do we have some data showing that it reduces opiate addiction?
    I don't have any data, but the one guy that I know that was addicted to opiates has switched completely over to pot now that it is legal here. I am guessing it would help, but we are too early to have anything conclusive at this point

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    I don’t really have an opinion on the church’s statement, but my own personal opinion is that MJ should go through the federal drug testing process and be regulated. If it’s not harmful then legalize and regulate it like alcohol.

    From my anecdotal expierence, I’ve seen MJ ruin lives and marriages due to addiction from a good friend of mine that couldn’t kick the habit. But I don’t want to extrapolate that to everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    From my anecdotal expierence, I’ve seen MJ ruin lives and marriages due to addiction from a good friend of mine that couldn’t kick the habit. But I don’t want to extrapolate that to everyone else.
    lol knock it off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I don’t really have an opinion on the church’s statement, but my own personal opinion is that MJ should go through the federal drug testing process and be regulated. If it’s not harmful then legalize and regulate it like alcohol.
    Does your wife know that you want her to go through that process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    That would be good. Do we have some data showing that it reduces opiate addiction?
    Depending on the intensity of someone's addiction, I'm generally not keen on them trying to shove their addiction onto marijuana. I've never seen it work out longer than a few months. I do believe there is some research out there that shows that using marijuana as part MAT can help, but it's not definitive.

    There's also evidence hallucinogenics can help with opiate detox and post-acute withdrawal. I've seen some people do well after that provided they engaged in some outpatient care following that experience.
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    Did a little more research on the proposed medical MJ law in Utah. It is a joke. Doctors allowed to prescribe MJ would include "naturopathic physicians", dentists, PA's, etc. In other words, just about anybody - nothing at all like a medical prescription. It would also be exempt from state tax. This is not about medical cannabis. It is an attempt to get legalize MJ through the back door. No wonder it is facing opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Did a little more research on the proposed medical MJ law in Utah. It is a joke. Doctors allowed to prescribe MJ would include "naturopathic physicians", dentists, PA's, etc. In other words, just about anybody - nothing at all like a medical prescription. It would also be exempt from state tax. This is not about medical cannabis. It is an attempt to get legalize MJ through the back door. No wonder it is facing opposition.
    What? Utah wouldn't tax it?!? That's stoopid... Utah taxes everything that moves (or doesn't move).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    What? Utah wouldn't tax it?!? That's stoopid... Utah taxes everything that moves (or doesn't move).
    Ha. Utah is always ranked at or near the top in fiscal management. Typically way above Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Did a little more research on the proposed medical MJ law in Utah. It is a joke. Doctors allowed to prescribe MJ would include "naturopathic physicians", dentists, PA's, etc. In other words, just about anybody - nothing at all like a medical prescription. It would also be exempt from state tax. This is not about medical cannabis. It is an attempt to get legalize MJ through the back door. No wonder it is facing opposition.
    Can all those people prescribe opiates though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Can all those people prescribe opiates though?
    No.
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    I visited with one of our legislators who is also a doctor a while back about this, and I thought he made some good points.

    I agree with the church's statement that before simply approving medical marijuana it needs to go through the proper scrutiny that all drugs used for that purpose go through. But, as Funk has indicated - that means that some changes need to be made that will allow said testing and research to take place.

    Why can't we start there? Why can't we push for the testing and research to happen instead of simply pushing for its use?

    For the record - I'm going to go ahead and speculate that the church had a pretty well respected medical doctor review that statement before releasing it.

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    When I saw that this thread was bumped, I was hoping it was in relation to the Utah GOP drama that is currently going on surrounding "Count My Vote" and the caucus system.

    There's been a pretty big todo related to some of the behind the scenes maneuverings.

    You've probably heard that the Utah GOP was in serious debt due to this ongoing lawsuit challenging SB54 - which allows candidates to collect signatures rather than go through the caucus system. They were more than $400K in debt to the attorneys representing them in the lawsuit.

    Enter Dave Bateman - nice guy who apparently agreed to be an intermediary and take on the debt. Of course, that isn't without strings attached. He negotiated with the attorneys and ended up paying them around $175K. But the agreement with the GOP is that if they don't continue to appeal SB54 all the way to the US Supreme Court, they'll have to pay back the entire $400K.

    In the meantime - emails are now swirling from folks in the Davis Co GOP talking about a motion that will come up at convention to remove all of the Davis Co central committee members who are part of the "Gang of 51" and replace them with new central committee members. Along with competing emails talking about how the proposal has no merit and is contrary to bylaws.

    Super entertaining to watch. I don't think you can make this stuff up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    There are some pretty good arguments to legalizing pot, but generating tax revenue has to be one of the dumbest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    From my anecdotal expierence, I’ve seen MJ ruin lives and marriages due to addiction from a good friend of mine that couldn’t kick the habit. But I don’t want to extrapolate that to everyone else.
    Sheesh, and I thought MJ was a good farmer's daughter from Oregon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    There are some pretty good arguments to legalizing pot, but generating tax revenue has to be one of the dumbest.
    Don't argue with the "Libertarian".

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