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    So the latest proposal is to require all alcoholic beverages in restaurants to be prepared behind a 10 foot wall. Also, the bill would make it illegal to appear drunk.
    http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_11800501

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    His measure also would redefine what it means to be intoxicated in Utah, gutting a Utah Supreme Court ruling that said simply being a drunk is not a crime. Under Valentine's bill, it would be illegal for anyone to look like they are drunk.
    "Our family values would be competing with a social norm that glamorizes alcohol," said Kris Kimball, a mother of two teen children. She said the blenders and maraschino cherries "look kind of tantalizing" to children.
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    Make it stop!

    That is funny. It would be more funny if people didn't really think this sort of thing.....
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    I am not sure a 10-foot high wall is tall enough.

    I would feel much more at ease if any place with a liquor license also had 1 continually-manned turret for every 10 customers, in case any of the youth attempt to look around for themselves and witness mixed drinks being made.

    Also, the drinks must be passed through the 10-foot wall via a squint hole no bigger than a 12 oz beer mug.

    Finally, no more references to "virgin" drinks. They shall now be called "chaste" drinks.
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    I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    So the latest proposal is to require all alcoholic beverages in restaurants to be prepared behind a 10 foot wall. Also, the bill would make it illegal to appear drunk.
    http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_11800501

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    The only thing I agree with is that society DOES glamorize drinking. Along with the bong, if someone on Leno, Letterman, etc. mention marijuana or drinking it's gets the biggest applause and cheers.

    I can see where people get torqued when they see friends or relatives who have been killed and injured by repeated drunk drivers and anything that gives some easier access to alcohol gets them worked up. I think if DUI laws were strictly enforced, it might strike a better balance.
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.062d871980c5

    Maybe this has been talked about but did Utah mess up here. The outdoor industry seems to be thriving in Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.062d871980c5

    Maybe this has been talked about but did Utah mess up here. The outdoor industry seems to be thriving in Utah.
    Utah didn't mess up. These guys have been looking for an opportunity for years. They were going no matter what the governor did. Kudos to Herbert though for not knuckling under when they put a gun to his head.

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    Utah didn't mess up. These guys have been looking for an opportunity for years. They were going no matter what the governor did. Kudos to Herbert though for not knuckling under when they put a gun to his head.
    I agree. You can't open the door for that kind of blackmailing or it will never end.
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    Hooray for choice. The restaurants in Utah will now be given a choice between the Zion Curtain, the Zion Moat (a 10 foot moat around the bar), or the currently unnamed third Zion option (a 42 inch wall separating a sin section from the rest of the restaurant). Apparently, one of our fine representatives finds the Zion Moat name to be offensive. Of course with this wonderful choices to protect our children, the restaurants that were grandfathered in with the pre-Zion Curtain era will be forced to comply with one of the new Zion options. I am somewhat worried that the final option will allow children under 5 feet tall to see a drink prepared.

    http://www.sltrib.com/home/4995507-1...ffered-to-zion

    The markup on wine and high weight beer both increased by 2%. I'd happily support that if the money went to something useful, you know like helping the underfunded schools. Instead, the money will go to anti-alcohol education, because one thing kids in Utah don't get enough of is preaching that alcohol is bad. Need to make sure the money goes to that noble goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    Hooray for choice. The restaurants in Utah will now be given a choice between the Zion Curtain, the Zion Moat (a 10 foot moat around the bar), or the currently unnamed third Zion option (a 42 inch wall separating a sin section from the rest of the restaurant). Apparently, one of our fine representatives finds the Zion Moat name to be offensive. Of course with this wonderful choices to protect our children, the restaurants that were grandfathered in with the pre-Zion Curtain era will be forced to comply with one of the new Zion options. I am somewhat worried that the final option will allow children under 5 feet tall to see a drink prepared.

    http://www.sltrib.com/home/4995507-1...ffered-to-zion

    The markup on wine and high weight beer both increased by 2%. I'd happily support that if the money went to something useful, you know like helping the underfunded schools. Instead, the money will go to anti-alcohol education, because one thing kids in Utah don't get enough of is preaching that alcohol is bad. Need to make sure the money goes to that noble goal.
    The Trib's writeup is much more even-handed than your presentation of it.

    Note that the Zion Moat isn't a literal moat - it's simply a 10 foot area around the bar where kids can't enter. For large restaurants it could be a decent option. For smaller ones it may consume too much space. The unnamed third option is actually named the "Washington State wall" like the Trib article says it is, as the statute was directly copied from Washington State. It doesn't have to be a wall but can be planters or a railing.

    Those restaurants that were grandfathered in under the Zion Curtain laws will now have 5 years to comply with one of the new options, or sooner if they undergo a remodel or purchase by a new owner.

    The bill also gets rid of the private club designation, which is a good thing because the private club designation was dumb.

    As far as the markup on wine and beer, my only thought is that you better not cry in your craft brew too much or you run the risk of diluting its potency!

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    The third option doesn't seem all that bad. In fact, sounds like a decent and cheap compromise

    I do like how most utahns I know that drink alcohol seem to think these type of weird laws are unique to Utah.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    The Trib's writeup is much more even-handed than your presentation of it.

    Note that the Zion Moat isn't a literal moat - it's simply a 10 foot area around the bar where kids can't enter. For large restaurants it could be a decent option. For smaller ones it may consume too much space. The unnamed third option is actually named the "Washington State wall" like the Trib article says it is, as the statute was directly copied from Washington State. It doesn't have to be a wall but can be planters or a railing.

    Those restaurants that were grandfathered in under the Zion Curtain laws will now have 5 years to comply with one of the new options, or sooner if they undergo a remodel or purchase by a new owner.

    The bill also gets rid of the private club designation, which is a good thing because the private club designation was dumb.

    As far as the markup on wine and beer, my only thought is that you better not cry in your craft brew too much or you run the risk of diluting its potency!
    The private club designation has been long gone. What they are removing is the "dining club" and "social club" designations. The designations were middle ground for places like Red Rock, Squatters, and other brewpubs. It isn't helpful to these businesses to get rid of these designations. The private club thing was stupid.

    I'm sure restaurants are just thrilled to have 10 feet of space they cannot use in their restaurants.

    The Zion Curtain was a stupid law to begin with. It should have just been eliminated, not these other ridiculous items.

    Also, this does not even touch on the ridiculous new .05 DUI law in Utah. .08 was the right designation, what they should have done is increased penalties for DUIs. It is just another example of moralizing about alcohol. It will have no real safety effect. If it was really about safety, they would be addressing much bigger problems than driving at .05 - .07, you know like how texting and driving is just as dangerous as DUI but gets only a $100.00 fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    The third option doesn't seem all that bad. In fact, sounds like a decent and cheap compromise

    I do like how most utahns I know that drink alcohol seem to think these type of weird laws are unique to Utah.


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    Let me state, I don't think stupid liquor laws are unique to Utah. We just have some really ridiculous weird liquor laws that are nothing more than moralizing about drinking alcohol and have no common sense attached to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    Let me state, I don't think stupid liquor laws are unique to Utah. We just have some really ridiculous weird liquor laws that are nothing more than moralizing about drinking alcohol and have no common sense attached to them.
    So does Texas and apparently Washington.


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    Funk, you should stop drinking. It isn't healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    The Trib's writeup is much more even-handed than your presentation of it.

    ...The bill also gets rid of the private club designation, which is a good thing because the private club designation was dumb....
    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    The private club designation has been long gone. What they are removing is the "dining club" and "social club" designations. The designations were middle ground for places like Red Rock, Squatters, and other brewpubs. It isn't helpful to these businesses to get rid of these designations....
    I have a friend who recently purchased a restaurant that had a "Dining Club" license. Basically this means that they could get as much as 40% of their income from alcohol, but had to get at least 60% of their income from food.

    She's pretty pissed. The dining club license was made for places that are not quite all restaurant, but not quite all bar either. They were required to have the bar separate from the family restaurant - so many have 2 sections to them. Because of the unique nature of the dining club license, it cost them a premium to purchase the place they purchased. Which just lost most of it's value due to that designation of license going away.

    She doesn't want to own a bar. But she isn't LDS, and liked that her establishment was a place that friends could go for a drink. Their business model was based on being able to attracted both families who want a nice meal and groups who are getting together for a drink. She doesn't believe that they'll survive financially trying to be just one or the other.

    She doesn't understand why our state legislature wants there to be more bars that aren't required to serve food - resulting in more people drinking on an empty stomach.

    The answer I didn't tell her is - our state legislature probably believes that there isn't a demand for more bars. So they're hoping that requiring businesses like hers to pick and either be all bar or all restaurant will result in many turning into restaurants, and those that choose to be bars going bankrupt and closing - and there being fewer places people can gather to drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Funk, you should stop drinking. It isn't healthy.
    Thank you for your concern about my health. I really believe it is sincere. I have considered you advice and made the determination that I will continue to consume alcohol in moderation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    I have a friend who recently purchased a restaurant that had a "Dining Club" license. Basically this means that they could get as much as 40% of their income from alcohol, but had to get at least 60% of their income from food.

    She's pretty pissed. The dining club license was made for places that are not quite all restaurant, but not quite all bar either. They were required to have the bar separate from the family restaurant - so many have 2 sections to them. Because of the unique nature of the dining club license, it cost them a premium to purchase the place they purchased. Which just lost most of it's value due to that designation of license going away.

    She doesn't want to own a bar. But she isn't LDS, and liked that her establishment was a place that friends could go for a drink. Their business model was based on being able to attracted both families who want a nice meal and groups who are getting together for a drink. She doesn't believe that they'll survive financially trying to be just one or the other.

    She doesn't understand why our state legislature wants there to be more bars that aren't required to serve food - resulting in more people drinking on an empty stomach.

    The answer I didn't tell her is - our state legislature probably believes that there isn't a demand for more bars. So they're hoping that requiring businesses like hers to pick and either be all bar or all restaurant will result in many turning into restaurants, and those that choose to be bars going bankrupt and closing - and there being fewer places people can gather to drink.
    There is also another reason, they want to funnel more and more alcohol sales to the state liquor store. Consuming alcohol is dirty and sinful and most be stopped, unless, of course, the state can make money off of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    Thank you for your concern about my health. I really believe it is sincere. I have considered you advice and made the determination that I will continue to consume alcohol in moderation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Baby steps.
    You have put me on the first step on the path to reactivation into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You can make me your missionary moment on Sunday.
    The crux of what has traumatized us about CUF/CG is that we thought they were our friends. And their identity as BYU fans turned out to be the most important thing to them. What empty lives! What a damning indictment of the LDS Church!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    You have put me on the first step on the path to reactivation into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You can make me your missionary moment on Sunday.
    Next we are going to work on that cynicism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    The Trib's writeup is much more even-handed than your presentation of it.

    Note that the Zion Moat isn't a literal moat - it's simply a 10 foot area around the bar where kids can't enter.
    That's disappointing. I was hoping for sharks with laser beams in the moats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Student View Post
    That's disappointing. I was hoping for sharks with laser beams in the moats.
    I think you mean frikkin laser beams.
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    So why is Chaffetz calling it quits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    So why is Chaffetz calling it quits?
    It's really odd. Maybe some sort of scandal. That guy loves his bully pulpit too much to give it up because he misses wifey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    So why is Chaffetz calling it quits?
    UT posted that he might be considering a run for governor. The website www.jasonforgovernor.com redirects to his congressional campaign website.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...-race-46905171

    Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz's decision not to seek another term in Congress and possibly resign sets the GOP congressman up for a 2020 run for governor without a damaging re-election campaign or pressure to doggedly investigate his party's president.

    Instead, the 50-year-old congressman who breezed through four re-election campaigns can lay the groundwork for the governor's race, opening the door for a number of ambitious Utah Republicans to try to replace him in Congress.

    A day after announcing he wouldn't seek re-election next year, Chaffetz said Thursday that he may not even finish the two-year term that started four months ago. Chaffetz said in a text message: "My future plans are not yet finalized but I haven't ruled out the possibility of leaving early. In the meantime I still have a job to do and I have no plans to take my foot off the gas."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    So why is Chaffetz calling it quits?
    I think it's because polarization in congress has made it hard for moderates like him to reach across the aisle and get work done for Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    I think it's because polarization in congress has made it hard for moderates like him to reach across the aisle and get work done for Americans.

    For the record I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

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    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...165005627.html

    I'm not a resident of Utah so this doesn't really matter to me but I did find it funny that this guy goes by John Q. Cannon. Must be hoping to sit in those big red chairs in the conference center one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...165005627.html

    I'm not a resident of Utah so this doesn't really matter to me but I did find it funny that this guy goes by John Q. Cannon. Must be hoping to sit in those big red chairs in the conference center one day.
    Don't know what the church is paying this guy, but this line would make me run away.

    The position pays between $100,000 and $160,000 annually and includes overseeing a staff of about 65 attorneys, policy analysts and other workers. In addition to drafting laws and advising lawmakers on legal matters, the nonpartisan office gives guidance on constitutional issues and legislative rules and provides information technology services


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