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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Except now Ontario is pushing to sell it in grocery stores, as that article states (it's from 2015). Quebec allows beer and wine to be sold in grocery stores. I think the rest of the provinces have a mix of alcohol being sold in both privately and provincially owned liquor stores.
    I can’t believe Canadian Tire doesn’t sell alcohol. They sell everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    I can’t believe Canadian Tire doesn’t sell alcohol. They sell everything else.w
    That would be sweet. Then you could use these to buy them:

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    HB 441 any thoughts? My biggest concern for this, besides the regulatory costs for so many service providers who are solo operations on low margins, is the potential windfall for local sales taxing authorities.

    Local taxes range from 1.2% to 4%. By increasing the base tax base for the state, which doesn't drop down to 3.1 until after 10 months to study it at 3.9 to make sure revenues stay up, you increase the base for the locals which are not decreasing their rates. In my cursory reading last night, I didn't see any restriction on local sales tax of the new base. So unlike the politicians are telling us, all the services and pyramiding possibilities are not just a 3.1% raise in cost to the consumer, but a 5.1% to 7.9% increase in cost of those services to consumers, with the possibility that it drops to a 4.3% to 7.1% hit 10 months later if some bureaucrat thinks the revenue is sustainable. FAT CHANCE!

    I have not read it in depth enough so I may have missed any restriction on the local tax collection of the expanded base, but that is my biggest problem with it right now. It is being sold as a 3.1% price jump for consumer services, when in reality it appears to be much much more.
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    I see the state legislators carved out an exemption for real estate. Jerks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I see the state legislators carved out an exemption for real estate. Jerks.
    Are you surprised?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copelius View Post
    HB 441 any thoughts? My biggest concern for this, besides the regulatory costs for so many service providers who are solo operations on low margins, is the potential windfall for local sales taxing authorities.

    Local taxes range from 1.2% to 4%. By increasing the base tax base for the state, which doesn't drop down to 3.1 until after 10 months to study it at 3.9 to make sure revenues stay up, you increase the base for the locals which are not decreasing their rates. In my cursory reading last night, I didn't see any restriction on local sales tax of the new base. So unlike the politicians are telling us, all the services and pyramiding possibilities are not just a 3.1% raise in cost to the consumer, but a 5.1% to 7.9% increase in cost of those services to consumers, with the possibility that it drops to a 4.3% to 7.1% hit 10 months later if some bureaucrat thinks the revenue is sustainable. FAT CHANCE!

    I have not read it in depth enough so I may have missed any restriction on the local tax collection of the expanded base, but that is my biggest problem with it right now. It is being sold as a 3.1% price jump for consumer services, when in reality it appears to be much much more.
    It is a clusterfuck. I'd rather they just raise income taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    It is a clusterfuck. I'd rather they just raise income taxes.
    I agree, if they really need the money and cannot find ways to cut fat. The problem with raising income taxes is those are locked into education by the State Constitution and they are looking for more flexibility for the general fund. The simple solution is to amend the constitution to cut the income tax tie to education and just force the legislators to prioritize like every other family and business that pays the taxes.
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    Spencer Cox is going to run for governor. I’ll be voting for him. He’s another Republican I can get behind. I voted for Herbert last time around primarily because of Cox.


    https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...v-spencer-cox/

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Spencer Cox is going to run for governor. I’ll be voting for him. He’s another Republican I can get behind. I voted for Herbert last time around primarily because of Cox.


    https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...v-spencer-cox/

    frank making a habit of voting for Republicans because he likes their Cox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post

    frank making a habit of voting for Republicans because he likes their Cox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Spencer Cox is going to run for governor. I’ll be voting for him. He’s another Republican I can get behind. I voted for Herbert last time around primarily because of Cox.


    https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...v-spencer-cox/
    It's like Cox was made in the lab to be a perfect candidate in Utah. I hear rumors of Chaffetz or Huntsman jumping in as well. But I think they would be flicked aside fairly quickly by Cox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USUC View Post
    It's like Cox was made in the lab to be a perfect candidate in Utah. I hear rumors of Chaffetz or Huntsman jumping in as well. But I think they would be flicked aside fairly quickly by Cox.

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    Chaffetz would be awful. He's a terrible politician and worse human being.

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    I think Cox has potential for national level politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Chaffetz would be awful. He's a terrible politician and worse human being.
    I agree... I lost all respect I had for him when he pulled his support for the candidate of his own party:

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz also said he is pulling his support.

    "I'm out," Chaffetz told 2News in a live 2News interview Friday. "I'm just so disappointed."

    Chaffetz said based on text messages he's received Friday evening, he believes other national Republicans will follow suit and dump Trump. He also said he did not know who he will vote for in November -- only that it won't be Trump or Clinton.

    "I can't endorse somebody who acts and thinks like this," Chaffetz said.
    https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-lt-...-support-trump

    You don't stab your own party members in the back... Who did he think he was? John McCain?

    Good thing he resigned. All those Utah GOP'ers that voted for Drumpf would have canned him for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I think Cox has potential for national level politics.
    yohio loves cox, you heard it here first folks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    I agree... I lost all respect I had for him when he pulled his support for the candidate of his own party:


    https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-lt-...-support-trump

    You don't stab your own party members in the back... Who did he think he was? John McCain?

    Good thing he resigned. All those Utah GOP'ers that voted for Drumpf would have canned him for sure.
    He supports Trump. Even if he didn't, he'd still be a gaping asshole.

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    What would you think about Huntsman running for Utah governor again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    What would you think about Huntsman running for Utah governor again?

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    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    No.
    Not Trumpy enough for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    Not Trumpy enough for you?
    Well, he works for Trump so that's not it. I have a number of problems with Huntsman.

    I don't like that he pretended to be practicing LDS during his first gubernatorial run when he wasn't. It's not that I care that he's not practicing, rather that he was deceptive. Jason Chaffetz was his campaign manager during that election, which I also don't like.

    I don't like that he was planning a presidential run against Obama while he was serving in a pretty important position in the administration. Deceptive and disloyal. Can you imagine how that looked to our counterparts in China? His replacement had a hell of a job cleaning that up.

    I don't like that he is planning a governor's run in Utah while he's serving in a pretty important position in the Trump administration. I also don't like that this will be the third time in a row he's left a government position early to move on to something else.

    All that said, he seemed to be a pretty great governor during his previous time in Utah. I wouldn't be that annoyed if he won, but I like other candidates a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    but I like other candidates a lot better.
    Spencer Cox

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Well, he works for Trump so that's not it. I have a number of problems with Huntsman.

    I don't like that he pretended to be practicing LDS during his first gubernatorial run when he wasn't. It's not that I care that he's not practicing, rather that he was deceptive. Jason Chaffetz was his campaign manager during that election, which I also don't like.

    I don't like that he was planning a presidential run against Obama while he was serving in a pretty important position in the administration. Deceptive and disloyal. Can you imagine how that looked to our counterparts in China? His replacement had a hell of a job cleaning that up.

    I don't like that he is planning a governor's run in Utah while he's serving in a pretty important position in the Trump administration. I also don't like that this will be the third time in a row he's left a government position early to move on to something else.

    All that said, he seemed to be a pretty great governor during his previous time in Utah. I wouldn't be that annoyed if he won, but I like other candidates a lot better.
    He lacked serious leadership skills. The legislature passed bills he opposed and he signed them anyway or allowed them to become law. He did this for things that weren’t veto proof. I like his moderate tone but he defaults to stronger voices. He also helped launch the career of Mike Lee, another knucklehead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    He lacked serious leadership skills. The legislature passed bills he opposed and he signed them anyway or allowed them to become law. He did this for things that weren’t veto proof. I like his moderate tone but he defaults to stronger voices. He also helped launch the career of Mike Lee, another knucklehead.
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    I don't live in Utah, but I don't think that Huntsman can distinguish himself from Cox in a meaningful way, and he'll struggle to slow Cox's momentum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Well, he works for Trump so that's not it. I have a number of problems with Huntsman.

    I don't like that he pretended to be practicing LDS during his first gubernatorial run when he wasn't. It's not that I care that he's not practicing, rather that he was deceptive. Jason Chaffetz was his campaign manager during that election, which I also don't like.

    I don't like that he was planning a presidential run against Obama while he was serving in a pretty important position in the administration. Deceptive and disloyal. Can you imagine how that looked to our counterparts in China? His replacement had a hell of a job cleaning that up.

    I don't like that he is planning a governor's run in Utah while he's serving in a pretty important position in the Trump administration. I also don't like that this will be the third time in a row he's left a government position early to move on to something else.

    All that said, he seemed to be a pretty great governor during his previous time in Utah. I wouldn't be that annoyed if he won, but I like other candidates a lot better.
    I thought your first objection to him would be that he was a fan of the University of Utah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Knucklehead is an underrated word.
    It is an underrated word and also not one that is strong enough to describe Mike Lee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    I thought your first objection to him would be that he was a fan of the University of Utah.
    Even worse is that he doesn't seem like the type that likes sports. Like if you asked him about sports he's the kind of asshole that says "I'd rather play basketball than watch somebody else play."

    Also he likes Prog Rock. Ugh. Stay in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Even worse is that he doesn't seem like the type that likes sports. Like if you asked him about sports he's the kind of asshole that says "I'd rather play basketball than watch somebody else play."

    Also he likes Prog Rock. Ugh. Stay in Russia.
    I interviewed Huntsman during was an intern for a newspaper. He was very patient and gracious but he had a major dead fish handshake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I interviewed Huntsman during was an intern for a newspaper. He was very patient and gracious but he had a major dead fish handshake.
    How can a politician have a dead fish handshake?
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