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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post


    Running a meeting too long is dumb. So is walking out if it goes long.
    Sacrament meeting is debatable for waking out of.

    If people would actually leave when the meeting is supposed to end maybe those is charge would learn.

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    Ordinarily, I strongly concur with CA’s assessment that meetings going OT are toxic. Today’s F&T meeting was a very notable exception. Our former bishop, in his mid-50s, is in the final stages of cancer but nonetheless he struggled up to the stand. Looking very gaunt and obviously winded from the walk, he spoke about his love for the ward and essentially said good-bye. He said he was deeply concerned that many people who had been praying for him and his family might conclude in the coming weeks that their prayers had not been answered, and that would be very wrong. He spoke of how his relationships with his immediate and extended family had been strengthened tremendously and that the love and support he and his wife had received in recent weeks had surpassed anything they had ever experienced or expected. I can’t do justice to the simple eloquence of what he said, but I don’t think there was a dry eye in the house other than his as he spoke without a hint of self-pity.

    With a half hour or so left in the meeting, I feared his testimony, which was among the most powerful and moving I have ever heard, would be diminished by either maudlin or ovely emotional expressions of sympathy, or by completely unrelated and trivial expressions by unthinking congregants. But those who followed were pretty much spot on in expressing faith, sympathy and love in ways that were very moving. I don’t recall ever wanting a testimony meeting to go overtime, but I was actually disappointed it had to end.

    Anyway, in Church today I learned how better to face death with strength, faith and grace.

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    I wonder how many of those who demand that the meeting end on time are in their seats right when the meeting begins.
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    I appreciate PAC's post, and the other sentiments expressed. I might add my own story from today.

    I was dressed and ready to go 20 minutes before we needed to leave, but our DS daughter was not cooperating and we were woefully late. So late that we got there with only 15 minutes left in the meeting. My wife didn't even want to go in the chapel and went right to the Primary room to set up. I took our daughter into meeting and we had to sit down near the front. At the top of the hour - after having been there five minutes - I looked at my watch and wondered how long this meeting was going to last, and then I remembered that we just got there.

    Funny thing, time and space.

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    I learned about Jonas and the shark while I refreshed my phone to get BYU Arizona updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Ordinarily, I strongly concur with CA’s assessment that meetings going OT are toxic. Today’s F&T meeting was a very notable exception. Our former bishop, in his mid-50s, is in the final stages of cancer but nonetheless he struggled up to the stand. Looking very gaunt and obviously winded from the walk, he spoke about his love for the ward and essentially said good-bye. He said he was deeply concerned that many people who had been praying for him and his family might conclude in the coming weeks that their prayers had not been answered, and that would be very wrong. He spoke of how his relationships with his immediate and extended family had been strengthened tremendously and that the love and support he and his wife had received in recent weeks had surpassed anything they had ever experienced or expected. I can’t do justice to the simple eloquence of what he said, but I don’t think there was a dry eye in the house other than his as he spoke without a hint of self-pity.

    With a half hour or so left in the meeting, I feared his testimony, which was among the most powerful and moving I have ever heard, would be diminished by either maudlin or ovely emotional expressions of sympathy, or by completely unrelated and trivial expressions by unthinking congregants. But those who followed were pretty much spot on in expressing faith, sympathy and love in ways that were very moving. I don’t recall ever wanting a testimony meeting to go overtime, but I was actually disappointed it had to end.

    Anyway, in Church today I learned how better to face death with strength, faith and grace.
    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I wonder how many of those who demand that the meeting end on time are in their seats right when the meeting begins.
    Oh man. Both of these really hit close to home. PAC, thank you for triggering many very special memories of similar meetings with similar expressions towards my father when he was so sick as a bishop.

    We managed to make it to 9:00 testimony meeting. This mid year time change/activity day of the week change is taking me a few weeks to adjust to. One of our 8 year olds shared a story of how her family had gone down to Fremont Street to do the zip line for her brother’s birthday and how disgusted she was about how immodestly dressed everyone was and drinking alcohol and using really bad language. I can’t imagine her experience had Glitter Gulch still been open. By the time we got everyone in the car as I looked at each one, it really restrengthened my testimony that my family just isn’t built for the whole three hour block.




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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I wonder how many of those who demand that the meeting end on time are in their seats right when the meeting begins.
    I was 20 minutes early. First week in a newly formed ward and I am not about to let some other family set a precedent of sitting in my favorite pew.

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    Love PAC's post.

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    Primary Program Sacrament Meeting today. Simply awesome.
    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Primary Program Sacrament Meeting today. Simply awesome.
    Jealous. Every sacrament speaker today got to speak on how important it was to follow the recently-updated Style Guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Primary Program Sacrament Meeting today. Simply awesome.
    Ours is in two weeks. We're practicing the whole month in preparation. It's a lot easier teaching the five year olds when we only have half an hour for the lesson than a full hour.

    I'm expecting the actual program to be a bit disorganized, and all of the parents will love it anyway.

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    mrs smr is watching the ed pinegar sac meeting on KBYU right now. if you want to see a young Mark Eubank speak, turn it on!
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    https://twitter.com/DurrantGeorge/st...810607105?s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Primary Program Sacrament Meeting today. Simply awesome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
    Ours is in two weeks. We're practicing the whole month in preparation. It's a lot easier teaching the five year olds when we only have half an hour for the lesson than a full hour.

    I'm expecting the actual program to be a bit disorganized, and all of the parents will love it anyway.
    Our program actually went very well - way better than I had expected. The kids sang all of the songs loudly enough and the speaking parts went pretty smoothly. The kids in my class had more wiggles that I would have liked, but I still love them all anyway.

    They gave them all ice cream with special toppings after, then they ran around on the grass for half an hour. It was a bit tougher teaching them a lesson after all of that, but we got through it and the kids were all happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
    Our program actually went very well - way better than I had expected. The kids sang all of the songs loudly enough and the speaking parts went pretty smoothly. The kids in my class had more wiggles that I would have liked, but I still love them all anyway.

    They gave them all ice cream with special toppings after, then they ran around on the grass for half an hour. It was a bit tougher teaching them a lesson after all of that, but we got through it and the kids were all happy.
    My ambition as a primary teacher was two fold. Teach them the lesson of the day.... and teach them in a way that they want to come back next week. No kid should hate going to church. Church can be enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    My ambition as a primary teacher was two fold. Teach them the lesson of the day.... and teach them in a way that they want to come back next week. No kid should hate going to church. Church can be enjoyable.
    Nursery is a place where children learn that church is a place where they are loved, and where they can feel the spirit. All subsequent lessons should continue on that theme, although snack time is optional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    https://twitter.com/DurrantGeorge/st...810607105?s=19

    Same. I was like, what the hell?!?!?
    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    Nursery is a place where children learn that church is a place where they are loved, and where they can feel the spirit. All subsequent lessons should continue on that theme, although snack time is optional.
    I don't think we could get through a full hour without snack time. Maybe when they're a year or two older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    My ambition as a primary teacher was two fold. Teach them the lesson of the day.... and teach them in a way that they want to come back next week. No kid should hate going to church. Church can be enjoyable.
    Truth.
    And the second point is the most important.
    I intend to live forever.
    So far, so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    mrs smr is watching the ed pinegar sac meeting on KBYU right now. if you want to see a young Mark Eubank speak, turn it on!
    ftr, eubank did a fine job
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    Sitting in my wife’s primary class while she tells them a story about Heber J Grant. Girl sitting next to me turns to me and asks “Were you alive when Heber J Grant does?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    Sitting in my wife’s primary class while she tells them a story about Heber J Grant. Girl sitting next to me turns to me and asks “Were you alive when Heber J Grant does?”
    My spirit was alive in the days of the Heber J Grant.
    For I am eternal.
    I intend to live forever.
    So far, so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    My spirit was alive in the days of the Heber J Grant.
    For I am eternal.
    Reminds me of the lyrics to that old Primary song:

    I am immortal. I have inside me blood of kings. I have no rival. All Mormons are my equal. Take me to the cool Celestial World.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    Reminds me of the lyrics to that old Primary song:

    I am immortal. I have inside me blood of kings. I have no rival. All Mormons are my equal. Take me to the cool Celestial World.
    I don't remember that one.
    "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    I don't remember that one.
    My body doesn’t remember it either. But my spirit does.
    For I am eternal.
    I intend to live forever.
    So far, so good.
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    Did I miss an announcement somewhere or misunderstand my RS Pres when she said as of November 19, the general church leadership has asked that members not feed the missionaries? Per my RS Pres the missionaries will receive crockpots to cook in so they can go home at 4 and eat and then get back out to work. Members can only have them over for dinner if there is a non-member. Anyone else hear that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccermom View Post
    Did I miss an announcement somewhere or misunderstand my RS Pres when she said as of November 19, the general church leadership has asked that members not feed the missionaries? Per my RS Pres the missionaries will receive crockpots to cook in so they can go home at 4 and eat and then get back out to work. Members can only have them over for dinner if there is a non-member. Anyone else hear that?
    Sounds like a made-up rule by a mission president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccermom View Post
    Did I miss an announcement somewhere or misunderstand my RS Pres when she said as of November 19, the general church leadership has asked that members not feed the missionaries? Per my RS Pres the missionaries will receive crockpots to cook in so they can go home at 4 and eat and then get back out to work. Members can only have them over for dinner if there is a non-member. Anyone else hear that?
    We had the missionaries for dinner this evening (they were delicious) and they said the same thing, although for the San Jose Mission it's effective December 1. The reason given by the MP is that they should be spending the dinner hour proselyting. I'd like more detail but I see a few problems with the idea, aside from the obvious one that tracting during the dinner hour will typically incur the homeowner's wrath. Plus, the missionaries still need to eat, and if they're responsible for feeding themselves, they'll likely spend more time preparing/eating/cleaning than if they dine with members. Plus, this seems to conflict with the current rule that they shouldn't be out contacting after dark. Will this mean an increase in the monthly allowance given to the missionaries, or are they expected to provide themselves with 30 extra meals at their own expense? And this takes away from members getting to know the missionaries, etc. Otherwise, sounds like a good idea!

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    Mission presidents are their own worst enemy. Well that and the missionaries.

    Dumb rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    We had the missionaries for dinner this evening (they were delicious) and they said the same thing, although for the San Jose Mission it's effective December 1. The reason given by the MP is that they should be spending the dinner hour proselyting. I'd like more detail but I see a few problems with the idea, aside from the obvious one that tracting during the dinner hour will typically incur the homeowner's wrath. Plus, the missionaries still need to eat, and if they're responsible for feeding themselves, they'll likely spend more time preparing/eating/cleaning than if they dine with members. Plus, this seems to conflict with the current rule that they shouldn't be out contacting after dark. Will this mean an increase in the monthly allowance given to the missionaries, or are they expected to provide themselves with 30 extra meals at their own expense? And this takes away from members getting to know the missionaries, etc. Otherwise, sounds like a good idea!
    Is that a local rule, or universal? We worked 70+ hours per week in our mission, so we were always out after dark (back in the day...).

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