The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[PolyCougar]

I agree with this. BYU needs the Big 12 to be more stable before they can make the jump. I honestly think BYU still makes the move to the Big 12. They have to wait for Missouri to make their move. I don't think a decision will be made this season. Once Missouri decides, the media pact will be signed. In the end, BYU will be in whether Missouri decides to stay or go. When Missouri makes the decision, you will see some quick news on new Big 12 teams.

I'm slowly starting to accept our situation after Panic/Anger/Depression/Disappointment/and Fear... it's kind of like the Christmas before my mission, when all I got was ties and a shaver. Worst Christmas ever... but accepted what I got and liked it about a year later when my first whisker showed up.

[Paperback Writer]

I agree with this. BYU needs the Big 12 to be more stable before they can make the jump. I honestly think BYU still makes the move to the Big 12. They have to wait for Missouri to make their move. I don't think a decision will be made this season. Once Missouri decides, the media pact will be signed. In the end, BYU will be in whether Missouri decides to stay or go. When Missouri makes the decision, you will see some quick news on new Big 12 teams.

Missouri will stay and sign...and them someone will declare Missouri as the new savior of the Big 12.

Just like how Texas and Dan Beebe saved the Big 12 after Nebraska and Colorado left...when they (Texas and Dan Beebe) were a big part of the reason for Nebraska and Colorado leaving.

[BigPiney]

I'm slowly starting to accept our situation after Panic/Anger/Depression/Disappointment/and Fear... it's kind of like the Christmas before my mission, when all I got was ties and a shaver. Worst Christmas ever... but accepted what I got and liked it about a year later when my first whisker showed up.

Not me, but I am still pissed about my 19th birthday, that sucked.

[Goatnapper'96]

Not me, but I am still pissed about my 19th birthday, that sucked.

My first Christmas was 1992. I was 20 and had been away from home for two years so it wasn't as bad as many others. Regardless, it was cold and wet as hell on that miserable Emerald Isle they call jolly ol England. Between 23 and 24 December my entire teaching pool cratered. We had a group of folks committed to baptism and we lost them all within 2 days of Christmas. I was out doorknocking in 30 degrees/90% Limey Humidity in a very foul mood on Christmas Eve when some Limey chick who looked like a Jack-O-Lantern (as did most Brits with their blessed socialized medicine) read me the riot act about my own country needing Christianity. If I would be there if it were really up to me?! Then when she got done she requested my opinion on her tirade. I informed her that while my experience lacked depth and breadth it was my opinion that she was, without question, the biggest bitch I had met in that cold, wet and miserable land. She acted surprised and commented that it was her understanding that we were not allowed to talk that way. I informed her that my response was certainly discouraged to say the least but that only reinforced how much of a bitch she really was if her sucking bitchitude was so overwhelming that it left such a naive and innocent mormon boy at a loss for any words to properly describe her. I think the conversation ended at that point.





3 doors later the guilt got to me and I went back and apologized. I don't think she accepted it but I chose not to dust off my feet. It might be her holding up BYU to the Big-12 and it would all be my fault. But really, she was a bitch!

[il Padrino Ute]

My first Christmas was 1992. I was 20 and had been away from home for two years so it wasn't as bad as many others. Regardless, it was cold and wet as hell on that miserable Emerald Isle they call jolly ol England. Between 23 and 24 December my entire teaching pool cratered. We had a group of folks committed to baptism and we lost them all within 2 days of Christmas. I was out doorknocking in 30 degrees/90% Limey Humidity in a very foul mood on Christmas Eve when some Limey chick who looked like a Jack-O-Lantern (as did most Brits with their blessed socialized medicine) read me the riot act about my own country needing Christianity. If I would be there if it were really up to me?! Then when she got done she requested my opinion on her tirade. I informed her that while my experience lacked depth and breadth it was my opinion that she was, without question, the biggest bitch I had met in that cold, wet and miserable land. She acted surprised and commented that it was her understanding that we were not allowed to talk that way. I informed her that my response was certainly discouraged to say the least but that only reinforced how much of a bitch she really was if her sucking bitchitude was so overwhelming that it left such a naive and innocent mormon boy at a loss for any words to properly describe her. I think the conversation ended at that point.





3 doors later the guilt got to me and I went back and apologized. I don't think she accepted it but I chose not to dust off my feet. It might be her holding up BYU to the Big-12 and it would all be my fault. But really, she was a bitch!

lol!

I never called anyone a bitch, but on one occasion, while discussing the differences between the LDS and Jehova Witnesses churches, I turned off my ability to understand Italian while this particular individual went on a rant that today would be praised by Bill Maher as a sensible opinion of Mormonism. The look on his face when I asked him to repeat what he had said because I hadn't understood a word brought me great joy.

[Jacob]

Just thinking... could ESPN want BYU to stay independent, keep them playing pansies, and give us the Boise treatment (with a larger fan base/hatred group)?

I say no. BYU wants to put as many good games on TV as it can. It is interested in putting on pansies only when it doesn't have the rights to a better program in the time slot. ESPN could very well prefer that BYU stay independent--I don't know. But not for the reasons you state.

I'm willing to bet both ESPN and Notre Dame are playing a role in things, especially if BYU has turned down an alleged invite. ESPN would probably prefer to make individual contracts with schools than a deal that includes conference patsies like Wazzu, Vandy, Baylor, ISU, etc... ESPN could well be meddling to create a situation where there are more top tier independents. BYU gets in as an early adopter. I'm not saying any of this is less than crazy, but it makes a certain kind of sense for ESPN, pay large contracts to large school, get marquee games and pay less overall than per-conference deals without the patsies. Just a thought...

I disagree with the bolded statement. ESPN, I think, would much prefer to hold 1st tier rights to the B12 than to have only individual contracts with a few schools. With first tier rights, they get to select the games that they want to show out of a larger pool of matchups. this assures that they get marquee matchups that are more relevant on a regular basis. You don't see teams like Baylor, ISU, etc on TV in prime time slots do you? Not unless they are relevant or playing a school that is.

[lambdacoug]

I say no. BYU wants to put as many good games on TV as it can. It is interested in putting on pansies only when it doesn't have the rights to a better program in the time slot. ESPN could very well prefer that BYU stay independent--I don't know. But not for the reasons you state.



I disagree with the bolded statement. ESPN, I think, would much prefer to hold 1st tier rights to the B12 than to have only individual contracts with a few schools. With first tier rights, they get to select the games that they want to show out of a larger pool of matchups. this assures that they get marquee matchups that are more relevant on a regular basis. You don't see teams like Baylor, ISU, etc on TV in prime time slots do you? Not unless they are relevant or playing a school that is.

You have a point. Following this admittedly out there scenario, there is a flaw to the logic a bit. If ESPN can get individual contracts with OU, UT, USC, ND, LSU, Alabama, Florida, OSU (OH), Michigan, etc... then they could end up paying each school more, but less than paying for those rights for the entirety of the SEC, B1G, Pac-12, Big 12, etc... conferences. With those schools on board, there would be no shortage of marquee matchups each week. I'm thinking out loud, but I've wondered if ESPN may be making a play to destabilize conferences to get more independents, as they have more sway over independents than conferences.

[lambdacoug]

lol!

I never called anyone a bitch

You apparently never met my ex...

[Maximus]

Did the B12 ever get around to signing those media rights grants? I know there was much ballyhoo over the resultant new found stability stemming from those media grants, but the last I recall, nothing had been signed. We know Mizzou certainly did not sign them and my recollection is that the agreement was predicated upon all schools signing the pact.

Technically, without those signatures, there is still no stability. TCU doesn't care because an unstable B12 is better than an unstable Big East. But BYU sez: get back to us once you have all the i's dotted and the t's crossed.

I guess that is what the B12 means when it says that it won't make any further moves until Mizzou decides wtf it is going to do.

grasping at straws, I know.

They announced the signing over of rights same day as tcu

[TripletDaddy]

They announced the signing over of rights same day as tcu

Agreed. That doesn't mean they actually signed the rights. They just announced the agreement to do so. This agreement was done by vote. Mizzou did not vote, per advice by counsel. This is my understanding.

[Omaha 680]

Agreed. That doesn't mean they actually signed the rights. They just announced the agreement to do so. This agreement was done by vote. Mizzou did not vote, per advice by counsel. This is my understanding.

This is all I've seen

It came out the same day as the news of the Invite to TCU (before TCU's board met and approved the move.

The revenue distribution plan "becomes effective upon the formal assignment of rights by all institutions."

That assignment of rights isn't legally binding just yet--interim commissioner Chuck Neinas has been "authorized by the Board to immediately distribute legal documents for institutional execution." But with the grant of rights part of a "joint resolution" on the part of Texas and Oklahoma (who have each already publicly endorsed the conference's invitation to TCU), it seems unthinkable that either would back out of the arrangement now, or that any of the six other non-Missouri Big 12 schools wouldn't follow their lead.

To drive that point home, the adoption of the grant of rights and revenue plan was passed with an 8-0 unanimous vote by the Big 12 Board of Directors. As with the vote to issue TCU's invitation, however, Missouri abstained--another sign of the current rift between the conference and the Tigers.

I haven't been able to find any follow up report on if grant has actually been executed. It would make sense that they would wait until Missouri decides where to go to sign. Otherwise they would be letting Missouri use the Big 12 as a backup plan indefinitely while they safely explore all other options as long as they want to. I guess Neinas did say Missouri could have as long as they needed.

[myboynoah]

This is all I've seen

It came out the same day as the news of the Invite to TCU (before TCU's board met and approved the move.



I haven't been able to find any follow up report on if grant has actually been executed. It would make sense that they would wait until Missouri decides where to go to sign. Otherwise they would be letting Missouri use the Big 12 as a backup plan indefinitely while they safely explore all other options as long as they want to. I guess Neinas did say Missouri could have as long as they needed.

So, what exactly does that mean? It seems that all are in except for Missouri, but they can't execute the commitment until Missouri decides what it is going to do. Doesn't that mean in effect Missouri is using the Big 12 as its back up plan already? How long will Missouri have to decide? Years?

The Big 12 is one crazy conference. While the B1G, Pac 12, SEC, and even the ACC are expanding territory, the Big 12 is losing it, and poised to lose even more. Meanwhile, when it does decide to expand, it does so within its own territory. They really should have played more Risk as children.

[Marvelous]

I'm slowly starting to accept our situation after Panic/Anger/Depression/Disappointment/and Fear... it's kind of like the Christmas before my mission, when all I got was ties and a shaver. Worst Christmas ever... but accepted what I got and liked it about a year later when my first whisker showed up.

LOL. Post of the day! I would have hated that Christmas too...except my parents came through and got me a Gamecube along with all the mission crap. Totally. Saved. Christmas...and significantly hurt mine and my entire floor's grades Winter semester.

[Omaha 680]

So, what exactly does that mean? It seems that all are in except for Missouri, but they can't execute the commitment until Missouri decides what it is going to do. Doesn't that mean in effect Missouri is using the Big 12 as its back up plan already? How long will Missouri have to decide? Years?

The Big 12 is one crazy conference. While the B1G, Pac 12, SEC, and even the ACC are expanding territory, the Big 12 is losing it, and poised to lose even more. Meanwhile, when it does decide to expand, it does so within its own territory. They really should have played more Risk as children.

The Big 12 still has armies in the Ukraine!

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[myboynoah]

The Big 12 still has armies in the Ukraine!

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Damn. Another window of opportunity closes for BYU.