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    I've spent the last ten minutes crying tears of frustration that I can't wear a simple cap-sleeved T-shirt without my garments deforming my waist into a bulbous caricature of myself.

    I feel alien in these things. I can't wear simple, modest clothes without looking deformed. The body garments produce is not ME. I don't look like this.

    I love the covenants that these garments represent, but I want off this boat.
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    You can quit wearing them. My wife quit wearing them as soon as we were sealed, and now she only wears them at Church or around her mom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerCoug View Post
    You can quit wearing them. My wife quit wearing them as soon as we were sealed, and now she only wears them at Church or around her mom.
    Isn't that verboten, strictly speaking?

    Edit: I'm not being coy. My understanding is that we're supposed to wear them as much as practicable (with somewhat ambiguous direction as to what occasions are "practicable). They are misery for me most of the time except sleeping, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    Isn't that verboten, strictly speaking?
    Yes.

    Wearing G's is MUCH easier for Dudes than Girls. I feel bad for you guys. Have you tried all the styles?

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    What are people's thoughts about altering garments?

    My grandma went through the temple for the first time after my grandpa died and they were sealed together. When she was talking to my mom later, she mentioned that her garments were fine, but that she would have to hem them b/c they went all the way down to her knee!

    Of course, that's probably one of the few dimensions that can't really be changed on a garment. But why can't other things be changed? For example, I don't really like wearing two t-shirts (one crew neck g top and one regular t-shirt). I don't want to be able to see the crew neck of the g-top. But I don't want to wear the scoop neck either, since the border around the neck of those things is really thick - at least 3x time as thick as the fabric of the garment itself, creating that eternal smile line under my shirt.

    So I ended up taking one of my older crew neck tops and cutting the neck out of it. I didn't hem it or anything b/c its just an experiment. Now I can wear it and the neck is not seen above my t-shirt neck, but I also don't have the annoying triple-thick border sitting right below.

    Is this okay? I know my g's come stamped "authorized pattern," but really what's so authorized about them? Clearly garment styles, fabrics and dimensions have changed drastically over the years. I think that as long as the main "ideas" are preserved, people should be able to modify their garments for a better fit. After all, its not like we've got a lot of options if the church doesn't put out something that fit our body types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    Isn't that verboten, strictly speaking?
    You will have to learn to lie to your bishop if you want to attend weddings in the temple, etc. If you can handle that, then you're fine.

    Think about it this way. Does a bishop really have a right to an honest answer about your underwear? I think he does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    What are people's thoughts about altering garments?

    My grandma went through the temple for the first time after my grandpa died and they were sealed together. When she was talking to my mom later, she mentioned that her garments were fine, but that she would have to hem them b/c they went all the way down to her knee!

    Of course, that's probably one of the few dimensions that can't really be changed on a garment. But why can't other things be changed? For example, I don't really like wearing two t-shirts (one crew neck g top and one regular t-shirt). I don't want to be able to see the crew neck of the g-top. But I don't want to wear the scoop neck either, since the border around the neck of those things is really thick - at least 3x time as thick as the fabric of the garment itself, creating that eternal smile line under my shirt.

    So I ended up taking one of my older crew neck tops and cutting the neck out of it. I didn't hem it or anything b/c its just an experiment. Now I can wear it and the neck is not seen above my t-shirt neck, but I also don't have the annoying triple-thick border sitting right below.

    Is this okay? I know my g's come stamped "authorized pattern," but really what's so authorized about them? Clearly garment styles, fabrics and dimensions have changed drastically over the years. I think that as long as the main "ideas" are preserved, people should be able to modify their garments for a better fit. After all, its not like we've got a lot of options if the church doesn't put out something that fit our body types.
    I've thought frequently about this. Honestly, I have much less issue with the amount of skin that the garment covers than the WAY it covers it. Even slim girls end up looking like they have a gut with the band that goes well above the navel, and the shirts with lace cause me rashes and chafing.

    I wish I had the option of just a stretchy undershirt (think Shade-type) garment. I've been very tempted to just go make my own out of a shirt like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerCoug View Post
    You will have to learn to lie to your bishop if you want to attend weddings in the temple, etc.
    It's not a lie, if you believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    I've thought frequently about this. Honestly, I have much less issue with the amount of skin that the garment covers than the WAY it covers it. Even slim girls end up looking like they have a gut with the band that goes well above the navel, and the shirts with lace cause me rashes and chafing.

    I wish I had the option of just a stretchy undershirt (think Shade-type) garment. I've been very tempted to just go make my own out of a shirt like that.
    My wife recently bought some new style of garment that looks just like a tshirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    I've thought frequently about this. Honestly, I have much less issue with the amount of skin that the garment covers than the WAY it covers it. Even slim girls end up looking like they have a gut with the band that goes well above the navel, and the shirts with lace cause me rashes and chafing.

    I wish I had the option of just a stretchy undershirt (think Shade-type) garment. I've been very tempted to just go make my own out of a shirt like that.
    For a long time people just made their own garments. There's nothing sacred about the cheap fabric and thread the church uses to make garments. Its all in the agreement you make and the symbols representing that agreement.

    In fact, I might try this. The crew necks the church makes are much crappier than other white t-shirts I could buy. Perhaps I'll through a few stitches in a few strategic places and rip out the tag. Better yet, I'll just get tagless. this is going to be great!
    Last edited by falafel; 05-19-2010 at 05:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    I've thought frequently about this. Honestly, I have much less issue with the amount of skin that the garment covers than the WAY it covers it. Even slim girls end up looking like they have a gut with the band that goes well above the navel, and the shirts with lace cause me rashes and chafing.

    I wish I had the option of just a stretchy undershirt (think Shade-type) garment. I've been very tempted to just go make my own out of a shirt like that.
    Mrs. Donut claims the spandex-type bottoms don't have as high-rise of a waist and thus don't ride up as much as the other G-bottoms. I realize this is very anecdotal, as everybody's shape is very different, but I thought I'd share it. She, like you, is constantly unhappy about how garments fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Mrs. Donut claims the spandex-type bottoms don't have as high-rise of a waist and thus don't ride up as much as the other G-bottoms. I realize this is very anecdotal, as everybody's shape is very different, but I thought I'd share it. She, like you, is constantly unhappy about how garments fit.
    They don't ride up, this is true. But the 1-in elastic waistband is figure-deforming. It just looks awful. Garments look ridiculous both tucked-in and loose since untucked the women's shirts end up making my ACTUAL shirt look bunchy and ridiculous.

    It's difficult to have such a basic thing (i.e. how I look in what I clothe myself) affected every single day by this. I'm fed up. I want to keep my covenants. I know we are told to wear them all the time. I don't know what to do.

    But thanks for putting in a good word. I'm feeling pretty bummed out about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewth8tr View Post
    My wife recently bought some new style of garment that looks just like a tshirt.
    Interesting. No lace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewth8tr View Post
    My wife recently bought some new style of garment that looks just like a tshirt.
    We went and bought some new tops for the wife a couple of days ago. Much less lace. Wife was happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
    We went and bought some new tops for the wife a couple of days ago. Much less lace. Wife was happy.
    The last time I bought garments (5 months ago?), the tops all still had lace. This is encouraging at least. I think things ARE moving in a better direction with womens' garments, but at a glacial pace it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    For a long time people just made their own garments. There's nothing sacred about the cheap fabric and thread the church uses to make garments. Its all in the agreement you make and the symbols representing that agreement.

    In fact, I might try this. The crew necks the church makes are much crappier than other white t-shirts I could buy. Perhaps I'll through a few stitches in a few strategic places and rip out the tag. Better yet, I'll just get tagless. this is going to be great!
    Honest question -- I once heard someone say that you don't make a covenant to wear the garment. Is that true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    The last time I bought garments (5 months ago?), the tops all still had lace. This is encouraging at least. I think things ARE moving in a better direction with womens' garments, but at a glacial pace it seems.
    iirc, there is still lace around the neckline, but none around the arms. I'll have to do a thorough check when I get home, but I am for sure that my wife was very happy with the new tops she acquired.

    On a side note, I wonder who is on the garment approval committee. Do you think they pull in the Relief Society and Young Women's presidents on this one?

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    I'm one that is pretty liberal when it comes to wearing them. I can see where they have helped some people from committing sin. I can see where they tie us together as a group. What I can't wrap my mind around is feeling like this is really important to God. When it comes to that Mormon buffet line this is one course I would leave in the bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottie View Post
    Honest question -- I once heard someone say that you don't make a covenant to wear the garment. Is that true?
    Um, it doesn't sound true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Um, it doesn't sound true.
    It kind of surprised me too, but I tried to remember... Do you covenant to wear them? or do they act as "a constant reminder" of the covenants you did make, but no covenant to wear them per se?
    Last edited by scottie; 05-19-2010 at 06:01 PM.

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    Like the sabbath I believe the garment was made for man not man for the garment. That said church rules and customs don't leave much room for altering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    Interesting. No lace?
    It's got a smaller amount of lace around the neck and none on the sleeves. Other than that and the other things unique to the garment, it looks exactly like an undershirt. My wife said that she believes that the style was called chanise (sp?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewth8tr View Post
    It's got a smaller amount of lace around the neck and none on the sleeves. Other than that and the other things unique to the garment, it looks exactly like an undershirt. My wife said that she believes that the style was called chanise (sp?).
    Chemise perhaps?
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
    iirc, there is still lace around the neckline, but none around the arms. I'll have to do a thorough check when I get home, but I am for sure that my wife was very happy with the new tops she acquired.

    On a side note, I wonder who is on the garment approval committee. Do you think they pull in the Relief Society and Young Women's presidents on this one?
    Ah. I don't like the lace around the neck. I really don't get why men can show their crew neck shirts but I can't use my chemise-style garments as an undershirt.

    I'm not certain women under 50 have ever been consulted regarding garments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Chemise perhaps?
    Thats it
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    Let me be the first here to say I'm happy for mpfunk that the Mrs. has decided to start wearing immodest clothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DU Ute View Post
    Let me be the first here to say I'm happy for mpfunk that the Mrs. has decided to start wearing immodest clothing.
    C'mon, dude. Be nice. I'm in earnest here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    C'mon, dude. Be nice. I'm in earnest here.
    I know, I'm just giving you a hard time. You know there are people out there who will jump to this conclusion, though. I'll be sure to show cUTEy this thread and have her weigh in on it. I'm sure she has some thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
    C'mon, dude. Be nice. I'm in earnest here.
    Not to keep pushing my suggestion, but you sound very frustrated. Why not just find something that fits you (and is white, and modest) and make your own garment? The church used to sell patterns for members to make their own anyway, so its not like there's no precedent for this.

    I realize this isn't the most orthodox solution, but its got to be better than just tossing garments altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Not to keep pushing my suggestion, but you sound very frustrated. Why not just find something that fits you (and is white, and modest) and make your own garment? The church used to sell patterns for members to make their own anyway, so its not like there's no precedent for this.

    I realize this isn't the most orthodox solution, but its got to be better than just tossing garments altogether.
    Believe me, I've been thinking VERY seriously about it lately and today was frustrating enough that I'm thinking about it even more seriously. I think my heart would be in the right place.
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