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    Anybody out there have any special tips about how to shingle a roof? My brother and I are shingling my parents roof this weekend (read: tomorrow from sun-up til sundown) and neither of us has ever shingled a roof from start to finish (we've both helped a handful of times on other shingling projects, so we've got the general idea) so any tips would be helpful.

    We'll be using 3-tab asphalt shingles, which should help keep the project simple. It also helps that the house is quite small, only has a single intersecting gable, and has no chimney. From my research, it looks like we won't need to scrape the old shingles off, as there's only one layer. Also, the contractor we ordered the shingles through says we don't even need to lay down tar paper because St. George doesn't get enough rain/snow to merit it. Anyone have a differing opinions?

    My main questions are regarding the valleys. Which way of shingling the valleys would be best for two moderately-handy beginners? Could we handle a weave, or should we forget it and do a cut valley? Also, should we work from the edges into the valleys, or the valleys outward?

    I understand the basics of the shingling pattern, drip edge, where to align the seams, where to nail, how to cap, etc, but is there anything huge i'm missing? Any tips that will make the job go smoother?
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    How can you blow a whole day shingling when you've got all this shoe shopping to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Anybody out there have any special tips about how to shingle a roof? My brother and I are shingling my parents roof this weekend (read: tomorrow from sun-up til sundown) and neither of us has ever shingled a roof from start to finish (we've both helped a handful of times on other shingling projects, so we've got the general idea) so any tips would be helpful.

    We'll be using 3-tab asphalt shingles, which should help keep the project simple. It also helps that the house is quite small, only has a single intersecting gable, and has no chimney. From my research, it looks like we won't need to scrape the old shingles off, as there's only one layer. Also, the contractor we ordered the shingles through says we don't even need to lay down tar paper because St. George doesn't get enough rain/snow to merit it. Anyone have a differing opinions?

    My main questions are regarding the valleys. Which way of shingling the valleys would be best for two moderately-handy beginners? Could we handle a weave, or should we forget it and do a cut valley? Also, should we work from the edges into the valleys, or the valleys outward?

    I understand the basics of the shingling pattern, drip edge, where to align the seams, where to nail, how to cap, etc, but is there anything huge i'm missing? Any tips that will make the job go smoother?
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    How'd it go?
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    So we ended up having more help than anticipated (my bro-in law and my parents' neighbor chipped in for about 8 hours) and it was still a 13-hour endeavor. Exhausted both mentally and physically, we nailed the final pieces of cap at about 8:30 pm on Saturday.

    The project took longer than anticipated for two reasons: 1) my parents actually ended up using an architectural, hi-def shingle, which looks nicer and is more forgiving in its application, but is much more difficult to cut (because it is twice as thick in many places. Halfway through the day we realized that sacrificing a pair of tinsnips for cutting the shingles was much easier and quicker than the utility-knife approach. This also made for cleaner cuts around the vents, etc.), and 2) shingling around the roof-mounted air conditioner was an absolute pain in the ass. The a/c unit was actually installed over the original shingles, so we had to devise our own plan/pattern for shingling around the stand and the AC-ducting. It involved a lot of cuts and roofing cement, and ended up taking me and my bro 4-5 hours just to work over that section. Fortunately, the other team kept plugging along.

    The valleys ended up being simpler than expected. We went with the weave approach, because that's what my dad said he wanted. It doesn't look quite as crisp as a cut-valley, but it looks fine just the same.

    All in all, it was nice to be able to provide some help to my parents while simultaneously increasing my appreciation the office job my education has afforded me. I'm sore as can be from all the crouching, bending, and lifting, but i'll be back to normal in another day or so, I suppose.
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    I have had the chicken pox twice. The last time, I was 16, and it was hell on earth. I had scabs everywhere, fevers so bad I had to be placed in an ice-filled bathtub, and a couple of massive clusters of pox that formed shingles on me (my right flank, my back, and my scalp.

    I'm now 44. Every year I ask my physician for the shingles vaccine, and he says, every year, that I'm too young still.

    Today, a co-worker came in with a huge red, bumpy rash on her face, saying she had had a reaction to some makeup. I took her at her word. She inhabited the same working space as I did, touching the departmental fridge and other surfaces that I also did. Tonight, she emails me and says that she has been diagnosed with shingles.

    Yall, I am kind of freaking out. I felt like the chicken pox is as close to death as I have ever come. Shingles absolutely terrifies me. I'm probably overreacting....talk me down.
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    Sorry, can't talk you down here. Shingles sucked and I only had a very mild case. Painful sores. Postherpetic neuralgia isn't any picnic either if you're unfortunate enough to get that. My grandma had it so bad they implanted one of those spinal cord stimulators.

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    the thing that always comforts me in times of anxiety over impending pain is the fact that our lives are but an immeasurably small blip on the continuum of time and the sweet release of death is just around the corner for us all. even if life is lived in outright misery and debilitating physical and emotional anguish, it will all be over soon. either that or time is a flat circle and we’re doomed to relive our pain for eternity.

    edit: i like those green asphalt shingles, but my wife tells me they’re lame. thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    the thing that always comforts me in times of anxiety over impending pain is the fact that our lives are but an immeasurably small blip on the continuum of time and the sweet release of death is just around the corner for us all. even if life is lived in outright misery and debilitating physical and emotional anguish, it will all be over soon. either that or time is a flat circle and we’re doomed to relive our pain for eternity.
    Very comforting. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    edit: i like those green asphalt shingles, but my wife tells me they’re lame. thoughts?
    I say lame but on occasion they could work, like if you had a modern house design and colors that go with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    Sorry, can't talk you down here. Shingles sucked and I only had a very mild case. Painful sores. Postherpetic neuralgia isn't any picnic either if you're unfortunate enough to get that. My grandma had it so bad they implanted one of those spinal cord stimulators.
    A friend of mine has that. Sounds horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    edit: i like those green asphalt shingles, but my wife tells me they’re lame. thoughts?
    Your wife may have better judgement than I thought.
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    The doctors said I had shingles when I was in 5th grade. Don't know if that is really possible, but they said it wasn't chicken pox again, but shingles. I also had pneumonia that year during the first week of school. Crazy year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Your wife may have better judgement than I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    I'm probably overreacting....talk me down.

    You can't catch shingles from anyone else. The only way you get shingles is if your chickenpox virus re-activates.

    https://www.healthline.com/health/shingles-contagious

    Shingles is a condition caused by the varicella-zoster virus — the same virus that causes chickenpox. Shingles itself is not contagious. You can’t spread the condition to another person. However, the varicella-zoster virus is contagious, and if you have shingles, you can spread the virus to another person, which could then cause them to develop chickenpox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefytee View Post
    You can't catch shingles from anyone else. The only way you get shingles is if your chickenpox virus re-activates.

    https://www.healthline.com/health/shingles-contagious
    Yeah, a buddy of mine who is a pathologist told me last night, "Dude, Mac, the only way you're going to get shingles is if you stay super stressed out about getting shingles. You can't catch them from someone else if you've already had the chicken pox. Chill out, man."

    Few things make me panic. Chicken pox is one of them. I don't think I've panicked like last night since I sliced open my leg (to the bone) at age 13 and needed 70 stitched to sew it back up. I was sitting in a rocking chair on the front porch sort of oh-shitting when my wife tripped a breaker (microwave, toaster, and waffle maker all on same circuit at the same time) and it snapped me out of it.
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    One son got chicken pox from the varicella vaccine itself. The other was accidentally vaccinated three times instead of two. (But then who’s counting when you’re injecting live viruses into somebody else’s kid?!?)

    Somewhat more germane to the original topic, I need to remodel a kitchen as it was originally constructed in 1949. Everyone is telling me quartz is the only way to go, but I can’t figure out why. The designer’s only explanation was “it’s just one of those things.” We are not persuaded by this reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs View Post
    One son got chicken pox from the varicella vaccine itself. The other was accidentally vaccinated three times instead of two. (But then who’s counting when you’re injecting live viruses into somebody else’s kid?!?)

    Somewhat more germane to the original topic, I need to remodel a kitchen as it was originally constructed in 1949. Everyone is telling me quartz is the only way to go, but I can’t figure out why. The designer’s only explanation was “it’s just one of those things.” We are not persuaded by this reasoning.
    i don't like quartz. usually looks like cheap formica.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    the thing that always comforts me in times of anxiety over impending pain is the fact that our lives are but an immeasurably small blip on the continuum of time and the sweet release of death is just around the corner for us all. even if life is lived in outright misery and debilitating physical and emotional anguish, it will all be over soon. either that or time is a flat circle and we’re doomed to relive our pain for eternity.

    edit: i like those green asphalt shingles, but my wife tells me they’re lame. thoughts?
    I wish I saw this post earlier. I had shingles this summer and could've used some comfort. At least I don't have any long lasting nerve pain.
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    Wow! This thread has now gone in three directions.

    1. I installed shingles on a shed that I built years ago. The shed was 120 square feet, so the roof wasn't much more than that. It wasn't that bad of a job, but it taught me that I did not want to shingle a whole house. My son-in-law volunteered to do my dad's free standing garage about 15 years ago and found out what a huge job it is. He was almost sorry for taking on the task.
    2. As for the disease, my doctor kept bugging me about getting a shingles vaccine and I kept saying that I didn't even know anybody who had had the disease and telling him no. Then I actually asked around a bit and found a whole bunch of people who had gone through it. I got the vaccine. I don't want to go through that. I still don't get flu shots, though.
    3. My new house has quartz counters in the kitchen and bathrooms and I like it better than granite. You don't have to worry about it discoloring when you get stuff on it like you do with granite but you have the other advantages of granite, like not being able to burn it with a hot pan. And ours doesn't look cheap. I haven't really looked at it much on other homes to see if some of it looks cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs View Post
    One son got chicken pox from the varicella vaccine itself. The other was accidentally vaccinated three times instead of two. (But then who’s counting when you’re injecting live viruses into somebody else’s kid?!?)

    Somewhat more germane to the original topic, I need to remodel a kitchen as it was originally constructed in 1949. Everyone is telling me quartz is the only way to go, but I can’t figure out why. The designer’s only explanation was “it’s just one of those things.” We are not persuaded by this reasoning.
    Because if you do granite, people will think you remodeled 10 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs View Post
    One son got chicken pox from the varicella vaccine itself. The other was accidentally vaccinated three times instead of two. (But then who’s counting when you’re injecting live viruses into somebody else’s kid?!?)

    Somewhat more germane to the original topic, I need to remodel a kitchen as it was originally constructed in 1949. Everyone is telling me quartz is the only way to go, but I can’t figure out why. The designer’s only explanation was “it’s just one of those things.” We are not persuaded by this reasoning.
    We got granite 12-13 years ago and we have been happy with it overall.

    Advantage: super durable. zero maintenance, looks nice
    Disadvange: not as pretty as natural stone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    We got granite 12-13 years ago and we have been happy with it overall.

    Advantage: super durable. zero maintenance, looks nice
    Disadvange: not as pretty as natural stone
    Granite is not a natural stone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    We got granite 12-13 years ago and we have been happy with it overall.

    Advantage: super durable. zero maintenance, looks nice
    Disadvange: not as pretty as natural stone
    Granite isn’t natural stone? It was when we installed it ten years ago. We found the primary disadvantage to be the exponential increase in shatter shards when kids would drop dishes or glassware.


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    Because if you do granite, people will think you remodeled 10 years ago.
    If I use quartz, five years from now people will think I remodeled ten years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs View Post
    Granite isn’t natural stone? It was when we installed it ten years ago. We found the primary disadvantage to be the exponential increase in shatter shards when kids would drop dishes or glassware.




    If I use quartz, five years from now people will think I remodeled ten years ago.
    Dang it. Sorry, I meant quartz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Because if you do granite, people will think you remodeled 10 years ago.
    truth. get some dark cabinets, gaudy carved range hood and tiffany pendant lights over the island to complete the look!
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    truth. get some dark cabinets, gaudy carved range hood and tiffany pendant lights over the island to complete the look!
    No can do. I’m getting a multipurpose central light fixture to display my copper cookware.

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    We did quartz and I have been happy with it. 8 years and no visible damage. Doesn’t stain and easy to clean. Drives me nuts that my kids use my knives directly on it.
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    I had been leaning toward leathered granite but the unanimity of y'all's feedback is freaking me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs View Post
    I had been leaning toward leathered granite but the unanimity of y'all's feedback is freaking me out.
    Have you considered quartzite? It is better than granite or quartz, and can be a bit pricey.
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