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    These are sick numbers:
    Collinsworth, for the season, averaged 23.7 points per game, eight assists, 10.4 rebounds, nearly two blocks and four steals. As a starter, he helped Provo win three region titles over his career with a 35-1 region mark. Overall, Provo was 65-8 with Collinsworth on the floor.
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    i also thought it was interesting that utah has kept one mr. basketball winner since britton johnsen won the award in '97. both morgan grim and daniel deane were released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camleish View Post
    i also thought it was interesting that utah has kept one mr. basketball winner since britton johnsen won the award in '97. both morgan grim and daniel deane requested releases.
    Wasn't Deane let go because he didn't get his academics straight after being warned of the consequences of continued poor scholastic performance?
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    yeah that's right. sorry, i'll edit accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camleish View Post
    yeah that's right. sorry, i'll edit accordingly.
    Why was Grim released?

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    i think it was a playing time issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by camleish View Post
    i think it was a playing time issue
    That's what I recall as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottie View Post
    Why was Grim released?
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    i think it was a playing time issue
    Which was mostly due to injury to his feet on multiple occasions. IIRC he was not available for most of 07-08 due to foot/ankle injuries.
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    I think I recall hearing/reading Haws was a 2 time Utah MB, I would assume Emery was also his Sr. Year. Does anyone have the breakdown where the last 10 UMB have gone to college?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    I think I recall hearing/reading Haws was a 2 time Utah MB, I would assume Emery was also his Sr. Year. Does anyone have the breakdown where the last 10 UMB have gone to college?
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    Quote Originally Posted by camleish View Post
    i also thought it was interesting that utah has kept one mr. basketball winner since britton johnsen won the award in '97. both morgan grim and daniel deane were released.
    and Josh Olson
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    They're not even trying anymore...


    Although, it is interesting to see that whatever school is getting the most of these signed is the one that is doing the best. Its all about recruiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post

    They're not even trying anymore...


    Although, it is interesting to see that whatever school is getting the most of these signed is the one that is doing the best. Its all about recruiting.
    I roomed with a bunch of guys from Indiana when I was at the Y and they made a habit of always disregarding Utah talent in recruiting. I tried explaining to them that Utah's current (90's) and past success had come on the backs of Utah players. BYU's limited success had also played a part. They scoffed and rubbed their Rik Smits doll for good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    I roomed with a bunch of guys from Indiana when I was at the Y and they made a habit of always disregarding Utah talent in recruiting. I tried explaining to them that Utah's current (90's) and past success had come on the backs of Utah players. BYU's limited success had also played a part. They scoffed and rubbed their Rik Smits doll for good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
    Rik Smits went to Marist. Either you or they don't know that.
    Marist yes, Pacers yes. They also thought Dale Davis should have been a perenial all-star. Basketball snobs, the lot of 'em.
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    There are 11 Collinsworth threads and who knows how many mentions of KC in other threads so forgive me if this has been discussed. I was talking to a family member who teaches and coaches at Provo HS who said Kyle is a terrible free throw shooter. In fact they swore he had a 60 min class everyday his senior year where all he did was shoot FT's as some asst coach rebounded for him. I've only seen him play once and don't recall anything about his FT shooting. He has a nice enough shot that any difficulties he has from the line are purely mental. Hopefully he is more Jimmer and less post-finals Nick Anderson in coming years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    There are 11 Collinsworth threads and who knows how many mentions of KC in other threads so forgive me if this has been discussed. I was talking to a family member who teaches and coaches at Provo HS who said Kyle is a terrible free throw shooter. In fact they swore he had a 60 min class everyday his senior year where all he did was shoot FT's as some asst coach rebounded for him. I've only seen him play once and don't recall anything about his FT shooting. He has a nice enough shot that any difficulties he has from the line are purely mental. Hopefully he is more Jimmer and less post-finals Nick Anderson in coming years.
    I'm not sure he has that good of a shot. When I've seen him, I never thought that was a strength of his game. Although the stats I saw were pretty good for 3 point % IIRC. His brother had issues both at the foul line and regular outside FG's.

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    Both he and his brother are bad FT shooters. FT shooting is mostly mental, IMO. Hopefully they can fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post

    They're not even trying anymore...


    Although, it is interesting to see that whatever school is getting the most of these signed is the one that is doing the best. Its all about recruiting.
    What is the story on Matt Bowman 1988, wasn't Utah Valley only a Comm College then? No grades?

    Also I couldn't tell you one thing about Justin Weidauer, he must not have been very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I'm not sure he has that good of a shot. When I've seen him, I never thought that was a strength of his game. Although the stats I saw were pretty good for 3 point % IIRC. His brother had issues both at the foul line and regular outside FG's.
    I only have seen him on OnDemand but he seemed to me to have a very mechanical jump shot. His arms and body seemed to do the right things but the mechanical nature made the action look disjointed. I'm no great shot doctor or anything but that seems a problem to me.

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    That's KC's second triple double. I looked up stats. NCAA record for most triple doubles in a season is four: Jason Kidd tied with a few others. Most in a career is six, Shaq tied with one other. I expect KC to break those records. Triple double in college is extremely rare, and very difficult to do. If you toss his first game this season, where he just made an appearance, he's averaging 14 points, 8 rebs, 6 assists. Damn.

    KC is different than a lot of BYU stars (looking at you Tyler Haws) in that his strength is athleticism and weakness is skill. Most BYU stars are the opposite, so their ceiling is capped a bit, and they reach their potential earlier. You can improve your skill but not your athleticism. I'd like to see KC defend a little better--he stands too straight up but that might be a conditioning factor. And I'd like to see him become a threat with his outside shot. If he does those two things, he'll be an NBA starter someday.

    It's too bad KC doesn't have a good scoring big man to dish to. He'd be close to averaging a triple double if he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    That's KC's second triple double. I looked up stats. NCAA record for most triple doubles in a season is four: Jason Kidd tied with a few others. Most in a career is six, Shaq tied with one other. I expect KC to break those records. Triple double in college is extremely rare, and very difficult to do. If you toss his first game this season, where he just made an appearance, he's averaging 14 points, 8 rebs, 6 assists. Damn.

    KC is different than a lot of BYU stars (looking at you Tyler Haws) in that his strength is athleticism and weakness is skill. Most BYU stars are the opposite, so their ceiling is capped a bit, and they reach their potential earlier. You can improve your skill but not your athleticism. I'd like to see KC defend a little better--he stands too straight up but that might be a conditioning factor. And I'd like to see him become a threat with his outside shot. If he does those two things, he'll be an NBA starter someday.

    It's too bad KC doesn't have a good scoring big man to dish to. He'd be close to averaging a triple double if he did.
    His rebounding stats are crazy for a pg. But then, he isn't really a pg defensively. He plays low in the zone and on free throws and thats leads to a lot more opportunities than a typical guard.

    Granted, most bigs play those positions to and don't rebound like KC. He's a great rebounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    His rebounding stats are crazy for a pg. But then, he isn't really a pg defensively. He plays low in the zone and on free throws and thats leads to a lot more opportunities than a typical guard.

    Granted, most bigs play those positions to and don't rebound like KC. He's a great rebounder.
    He's a ball hog, and he's my favorite player on the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    His rebounding stats are crazy for a pg. But then, he isn't really a pg defensively. He plays low in the zone and on free throws and thats leads to a lot more opportunities than a typical guard.

    Granted, most bigs play those positions to and don't rebound like KC. He's a great rebounder.
    I've actually been surprised at how often he's played at the top of the zone on defense this season. Yesterday, they played most of the game with just one "big", so he played down low quite a bit, but over the season I'm not convinced he hasn't spent more time up top. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him finish the season averaging 10+ rebs.
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    Legitimately shocked by this. KC didn't get a ton of minutes and had even less points during the summer league.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    Legitimately shocked by this. KC didn't get a ton of minutes and had even less points during the summer league.


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    If Kyle were from Croatia, it would have been a fully guaranteed contract. I've never understood why in the NBA being long, white and athletic is only desirable if you're from Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    If Kyle were from Croatia, it would have been a fully guaranteed contract. I've never understood why in the NBA being long, white and athletic is only desirable if you're from Europe.
    If Kyle were form Croatia, he'd have developed a sweet jumpshot from 10-20 feet from the basket.
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