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    My MIL is out of town tending to my BIL who had some vertebrae in his neck operated on. So my FIL is moping around all sad and dejected so we invited him along to a school fundraiser at a local pizza place. On the way home I was treated to this fascinating discussion between my wife and FIL.

    FIL: I love the ice skating, what's it called? I hope it is on tonight.
    ldc: Speed skating?
    FIL: No, not speed skating, the short track it is much more exciting.
    ldc: But it is still whoever goes fastest wins.
    FIL: No it is whoever finishes first wins.
    ldc: Right whoever is fastest.
    FIL: No, whoever is first. It is like track cycling, we used to have that in Milwaukee. There is a strategy to it.
    ldc: But, it is still about whoever goes fastest.
    FIL: Not exactly, it is about whoever finishes first.
    ldc: So fastest wins.
    FIL: I guess you could say that, but it would be more accurate to say whoever is first wins.
    ldc: Right fastest.
    FIL: Well first wins.

    Thankfully we arrived home at that moment, I think we were about to enter some kind of idiotic vortex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    My MIL is out of town tending to my BIL who had some vertebrae in his neck operated on. So my FIL is moping around all sad and dejected so we invited him along to a school fundraiser at a local pizza place. On the way home I was treated to this fascinating discussion between my wife and FIL.

    FIL: I love the ice skating, what's it called? I hope it is on tonight.
    ldc: Speed skating?
    FIL: No, not speed skating, the short track it is much more exciting.
    ldc: But it is still whoever goes fastest wins.
    FIL: No it is whoever finishes first wins.
    ldc: Right whoever is fastest.
    FIL: No, whoever is first. It is like track cycling, we used to have that in Milwaukee. There is a strategy to it.
    ldc: But, it is still about whoever goes fastest.
    FIL: Not exactly, it is about whoever finishes first.
    ldc: So fastest wins.
    FIL: I guess you could say that, but it would be more accurate to say whoever is first wins.
    ldc: Right fastest.
    FIL: Well first wins.

    Thankfully we arrived home at that moment, I think we were about to enter some kind of idiotic vortex.
    I have to agree with FIL on this one...
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    LDC is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    LDC is correct.
    Agreed. The person who goes the fastest over the 500m or whatever the distance might be, will win 100% of the time. It's one of those strange aspects of racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    My MIL is out of town tending to my BIL who had some vertebrae in his neck operated on. So my FIL is moping around all sad and dejected so we invited him along to a school fundraiser at a local pizza place. On the way home I was treated to this fascinating discussion between my wife and FIL.

    FIL: I love the ice skating, what's it called? I hope it is on tonight.
    ldc: Speed skating?
    FIL: No, not speed skating, the short track it is much more exciting.
    ldc: But it is still whoever goes fastest wins.
    FIL: No it is whoever finishes first wins.
    ldc: Right whoever is fastest.
    FIL: No, whoever is first. It is like track cycling, we used to have that in Milwaukee. There is a strategy to it.
    ldc: But, it is still about whoever goes fastest.
    FIL: Not exactly, it is about whoever finishes first.
    ldc: So fastest wins.
    FIL: I guess you could say that, but it would be more accurate to say whoever is first wins.
    ldc: Right fastest.
    FIL: Well first wins.

    Thankfully we arrived home at that moment, I think we were about to enter some kind of idiotic vortex.
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    It depends on if you measure 'fastest' by total distance/total elapsed time or by highest achieved speed.
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    Nut doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.

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    That conversation would be a lot better than the one about him liking Johnny Weir's sequined outfit.

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    Who's on first?
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    I agree with FIL. Just like the race the other night where the Koreans were the fastest and were about to take 1,2,3. Then out of nowhere 2 takes out 3. Ohno and that other American who were clearly in 4th and 5th end up winning 2nd and 3rd because they crossed the finish line first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
    Who's on first?
    That's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    My MIL is out of town tending to my BIL who had some vertebrae in his neck operated on. So my FIL is moping around all sad and dejected so we invited him along to a school fundraiser at a local pizza place. On the way home I was treated to this fascinating discussion between my wife and FIL.

    FIL: I love the ice skating, what's it called? I hope it is on tonight.
    ldc: Speed skating?
    FIL: No, not speed skating, the short track it is much more exciting.
    ldc: But it is still whoever goes fastest wins.
    FIL: No it is whoever finishes first wins.
    ldc: Right whoever is fastest.
    FIL: No, whoever is first. It is like track cycling, we used to have that in Milwaukee. There is a strategy to it.
    ldc: But, it is still about whoever goes fastest.
    FIL: Not exactly, it is about whoever finishes first.
    ldc: So fastest wins.
    FIL: I guess you could say that, but it would be more accurate to say whoever is first wins.
    ldc: Right fastest.
    FIL: Well first wins.

    Thankfully we arrived home at that moment, I think we were about to enter some kind of idiotic vortex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WashingtonCoug View Post
    I agree with FIL. Just like the race the other night where the Koreans were the fastest and were about to take 1,2,3. Then out of nowhere 2 takes out 3. Ohno and that other American who were clearly in 4th and 5th end up winning 2nd and 3rd because they crossed the finish line first.
    In other words, the winners maintained the fastest-average speed over the entire length of the course--they were the fastest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WashingtonCoug View Post
    I agree with FIL. Just like the race the other night where the Koreans were the fastest and were about to take 1,2,3. Then out of nowhere 2 takes out 3. Ohno and that other American who were clearly in 4th and 5th end up winning 2nd and 3rd because they crossed the finish line first.
    Wrong, the koreans crashed, the clock was still running, therefore they were NOT the fastest. The gold Korean was the fastest, Ohno was the 2nd fastest and Celski was the 3rd fastest. Can't argue otherwise.

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    When racing on an oval without assigned lanes, there can be a difference between the quickest and the fastest. The quickest is always the winner, where the fastest is not always in first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
    When racing on an oval without assigned lanes, there can be a difference between the quickest and the fastest. The quickest is always the winner, where the fastest is not always in first place.
    Agreed
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    HFN: I guess the argument is better here then in your car..

    But I agree with Washington Coug..


    Speed Skating on the short track is like Roller Derby... It is not jsut about who is faster, but who can slide in between you and cut you off and actually impacting your speed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    Wrong, the koreans crashed, the clock was still running, therefore they were NOT the fastest. The gold Korean was the fastest, Ohno was the 2nd fastest and Celski was the 3rd fastest. Can't argue otherwise.
    It doesn't matter if you were the fastest and didn't crash either. They judges can decide to disqualify the 1st place finisher if they think he was pushing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WashingtonCoug View Post
    It doesn't matter if you were the fastest and didn't crash either. They judges can decide to disqualify the 1st place finisher if they think he was pushing.
    So what you're saying is it's not necessarily about who finishes first. Just checking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
    When racing on an oval without assigned lanes, there can be a difference between the quickest and the fastest. The quickest is always the winner, where the fastest is not always in first place.
    So 1st place guy finishes in 43.281 and 2nd place guy finishes in 43.585. Is there any scenario in which the first guy was not the fastest?

    You FIL people are confusing me.

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    I think we're all arguing different points. The Koreans were the faster (speed) skaters. If not for the 2nd Korean tripping #3 Korean #3 would have won. #3 Korean was faster than Ohno. Ohno just happened to cross the line first because someone tripped his opponent. That had nothing to do with speed.


    Saying that Ohno is faster is like saying an offensive lineman is faster than a receiver, because the offensive lineman reached the endzone before the receiver. Even though the receiver was being blocked by a defensive back the whole way down the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    So 1st place guy finishes in 43.281 and 2nd place guy finishes in 43.585. Is there any scenario in which the first guy was not the fastest?

    You FIL people are confusing me.
    1st place guy is quickest, hence the shorter time. second place guy could be going 3 mph faster, but because he took a higher therefore a longer line, he would finish 2nd.
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    This discussion reminds me of a Woody Allen line:

    We can say that the universe consists of a substance, and this substance we will call "atoms," or else we will call it "monads." Democritus called it atoms. Leibniz called it monads. Fortunately, the two men never met, or there would have been a very dull argument.

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    It's like the quarter mile drag race. The car that crosses the finish in the shortest amount of time doesn't necessarily hit the top speed.
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    I would assume there's a definitions section in the articles of incorporation for short track racing wherein "fastest" is defined. If not, everyone is correct.

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    with FIL on this.

    You can have someone in an earlier heat with the fastest time of all the contestants, who will not win.

    Someone probably said this already, I couldn't read all the posts.

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    I will add a new wrinkle to this discussion: I haven't watched a single bit of the winter Olympic competitions, including this alleged speed skating race. Not one event. Not sure if I am alone in that category.

    However, somewhat related...tomorrow I am taking the Puffy Check ice skating, where there will definitely be pileups, tripping, and hurt feelings. I am also confident that there will be some Koreans.
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    What an awesome thread. I miss this place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
    It's like the quarter mile drag race. The car that crosses the finish in the shortest amount of time doesn't necessarily hit the top speed.
    Precisely.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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