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Originally posted by Indy Coug View PostUnfortunately, the frequent discussion is a direct function of how big of a problem it is in the church, and while it might grate on the nerves of those that may not have problems with porn, I seriously doubt the constant discussion of it becomes a direct or indirect contributor to more people falling victim to that vice.
The current track record seems to also speak for itself. By all indications, the constant discussion about porn isn't helping. I don't buy that porn is harmless, I think it is. But I think a periodic discussion would provide enough notice to people that porn consumption is not okay and requires repentance. The bishop should talk to the porn user once, let him get it off his chest. If the bishop has to talk to him (or her, ROWRRR!) twice, the porn user should be referred to a group or specialist. If the porn user doesn't go to the group or specialist, then his temple privleges should be put into question. I know the church doesn't completely ignore the therapeutic side of overcoming this problem, but I think these people should be introduced to some form of therapy sooner rather than later. Also, bishops are probably bogged down with this kind of crap. They're not therapists.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”
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Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostThe current track record seems to also speak for itself. By all indications, the constant discussion about porn isn't helping.
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Originally posted by Indy Coug View PostHow would you know it isn't helping? Do we have a control group of Mormons being shielded from all "thou shalt not porn" talk to compare their porn utilization rates against those that are being subjected to the full frontal assault coming from their church leaders?
Plus, you'd be hardpressed to find too many psychiatrists, psychologists or therapists outside the church who think the extreme guilt approach actually works.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”
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Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostPlus, you'd be hardpressed to find too many psychiatrists, psychologists or therapists outside the church who think the extreme guilt approach actually works.
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my brief thoughts:
--It's how the church talks about it, not how much, that is more the problem
--sexual purity isn't a new problem for religious cultures, but it certainly got complicated with the advent of the internets. Freakin' Al Gore.
--the amount of guilt and shame around this problem has become ridiculous, and paradoxically only serves to keep someone even more stuck and adversely impact other areas of one's life. No I don't have aggregate, high-n data to support this, just several years of experience in multiple n=1 cases.
(interpret that last line as you must, but you know what I really mean)
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Originally posted by OhioBlue View Postmy brief thoughts:
--It's how the church talks about it, not how much, that is more the problem
--sexual purity isn't a new problem for religious cultures, but it certainly got complicated with the advent of the internets. Freakin' Al Gore.
--the amount of guilt and shame around this problem has become ridiculous, and paradoxically only serves to keep someone even more stuck and adversely impact other areas of one's life. No I don't have aggregate, high-n data to support this, just several years of experience in multiple n=1 cases.
(interpret that last line as you must, but you know what I really mean)
While I dislike pornography's effects on the viewer--long term--I also think that the best place to help someone avoid looking at porn is probably the mission."Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied
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Originally posted by wuapinmon View PostThe youth are being told by the SP that anyone with a pornography "addiction" isn't going to be able to go on a mission until they can go a year.
While I dislike pornography's effects on the viewer--long term--I also think that the best place to help someone avoid looking at porn is probably the mission.
I think it comes down to what one means by the word "addiction." To me one who is addicted to something is so caught up in fulfilling that urge, let it be physiological or mental, that all other activities or pursuits are retarded. In that case I don't think serving a mission is a good idea. However, I believe the people "addicted" to porn is very low. There is difference between a porn abuser and being a porn addict. Even those who use porn every day, or more than once a day, to get a chubby that they then rub but can function the rest of the time strike me more as abusers than addicts. If they are still functioning then send them on the mission and it will likely help.
Another angle is what type of porn do you look at. I don't know if there is such a thing as normal, but from my perspective if you like to look at voluptuous women scantily clad that strikes me as normal. If you wanna wax that ass, once again these are normal urges that in the long run benefit mankind. Obviously under most religious theologies there are constraints to be placed upon acting out those urges for many very good reasons, and thus it follows that working on controlling the information you give yourself to increase your self-control over those urges is likely a good idea. However, the base instinct to wax that ass isn't really the enemy. But if you like looking at midgets dressed like Star Wars storm troopers putting metal pipes up their anal orifice while gently walking a gerbil into your ass with the help of a large bic lighter, that doesn't strike me as normal and perhaps one might hesitate to send such a prospective missionary into the mission field. But that might just be me.Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View PostI agree with this. I think.
I think it comes down to what one means by the word "addiction." To me one who is addicted to something is so caught up in fulfilling that urge, let it be physiological or mental, that all other activities or pursuits are retarded. In that case I don't think serving a mission is a good idea. However, I believe the people "addicted" to porn is very low. There is difference between a porn abuser and being a porn addict. Even those who use porn every day, or more than once a day, to get a chubby that they then rub but can function the rest of the time strike me more as abusers than addicts. If they are still functioning then send them on the mission and it will likely help.
Another angle is what type of porn do you look at. I don't know if there is such a thing as normal, but from my perspective if you like to look at voluptuous women scantily clad that strikes me as normal. If you wanna wax that ass, once again these are normal urges that in the long run benefit mankind. Obviously under most religious theologies there are constraints to be placed upon acting out those urges for many very good reasons, and thus it follows that working on controlling the information you give yourself to increase your self-control over those urges is likely a good idea. However, the base instinct to wax that ass isn't really the enemy. But if you like looking at midgets dressed like Star Wars storm troopers putting metal pipes up their anal orifice while gently walking a gerbil into your ass with the help of a large bic lighter, that doesn't strike me as normal and perhaps one might hesitate to send such a prospective missionary into the mission field. But that might just be me.
If a Bishop were to say to a young man, do you look at porn and the young man responded, define porn for me. Can the Bishop go to a manual from Church Headquarters that gives him the answer or is porn defined the way each individual Bishop defines it?
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Originally posted by byu71 View PostIf a Bishop were to say to a young man, do you look at porn and the young man responded, define porn for me. Can the Bishop go to a manual from Church Headquarters that gives him the answer or is porn defined the way each individual Bishop defines it?Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View PostEven members of the US Supreme Court cannot define it. I think my answer would be do you believe you have any problems purposely seeking out media content with the specific intent of sexual stimulation? If the young man doesn't believe he has any problems then I would be content...unless he has a metal pole big enough for a gerbil to walk through and a Star Wars Storm Trooper costume with a hole for #2s.
I would hope my Bishop would agree with me that I do not have a problem with porn.
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Originally posted by byu71 View PostI would not buy a Playboy Magazine and actually never have. On the other hand if one was being passed around the office I would take a turn looking at it.
I would hope my Bishop would agree with me that I do not have a problem with porn.Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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As has been mentioned, how does one define an addiction to pornography? Bishops will have different standards let alone recent teenage HS graduates. Because of the LDS guilt factor, I thought I was addicted to porn as a teenager and I had never bought a Playboy or anything like it. I just had a strong desire to look at boobs and thought that my porn or boob addiction had to be overcome.
So I'm not sure YM or Bishops will be able to diagnose an addiction to porn even if it could be defined. And I think there is already an unhealthy stigma attached to porn in the LDS culture; porn is the quintessential boogeyman and scapegoat.“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
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