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    Sadly, it seems that any looking at pornography is considered addiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Sadly, it seems that any looking at pornography is considered addiction.
    I wonder what the addiction rate is for people who view pornography? I wonder how that compares to addictive narcotic substances?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    But if you like looking at midgets dressed like Star Wars storm troopers putting metal pipes up their anal orifice while gently walking a gerbil into your ass with the help of a large bic lighter, that doesn't strike me as normal and perhaps one might hesitate to send such a prospective missionary into the mission field. But that might just be me.
    I'm starting to believe you might have a porn problem....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    But if you like looking at midgets dressed like Star Wars storm troopers putting metal pipes up their anal orifice while gently walking a gerbil into your ass with the help of a large bic lighter, that doesn't strike me as normal and perhaps one might hesitate to send such a prospective missionary into the mission field. But that might just be me.
    Someone's already leaked the script to Star Wars VII?
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    What would The Foyer be these days without sex or politics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
    What would The Foyer be these days without sex or politics?
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    Before I married, I was watching some TV show with my roommate. My fiancee came over and started to watch it. Then some scene with bikini babes showed up, and my roommate and I did the whistle thing. We didn't turn it off and thought it was funny. My fiancee was not amused. Afterwards, she said she was disappointed in me that I didn't leave immediately.

    I was floored. At that time I would have never called that scene pornography. But the visceral reaction she had towards it set the stage for the definition of pornography for the next 15+ years of our marriage. I remember one EQ lesson I was teaching about pornography. I came up with a definition that I was pretty proud of: pornography is anything that gets your heart racing. And I kind of ran with that definition. It was bolstered by my wife and the church.

    Needless to say, that caused an immediate problem. I liked looking at scantily clad women. And since by my definition that was pornography, I felt bad about it. Not bad enough to completely stop, but it was pretty guilt inducing. Of course the couple of times that I confessed to my wife she was devastated. Accusations of breaking temple covenants flew, and I vowed to never hurt my wife like that again. But of course it happened again from time to time, and I just never confessed again.

    Happily we have now come to a more healthy view of human sexuality. She understands what turns me on turns most males on. Not that we watch porn together, but I can honestly comment on a picture or video and not fear that she will be devastated. But I haven't brought up gerbils...

    Anyways, I say this because like has been said before, there is no adequate global definition of pornography. Sure there are abuses and addictions of what most would call unhealthy. But I suspect that if the church had its way, it would gladly coopt my definition of ~15 years ago, that it's anything that gets the heart racing. And outside of the church, most people would call that very unhealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
    What would The Foyer be these days without sex or politics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    I came up with a definition that I was pretty proud of: pornography is anything that gets your heart racing. And I kind of ran with that definition. It was bolstered by my wife and the church.
    Wow, by that definition something that was porn to me 20 years ago is no longer porn.

    However, dropping a putt for birdie nowdays would be classified as porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I don't know if your Bishop would, but I would likely agree with you. But that is mostly because I know of you insatiable appetite for intellectual commentary with a liberal bend. Obviously, you would be reading the articles.
    Somewhere out there on the internet, a photo will surface of me reading a Playboy in the lounge of a frat house. There was an article about LeBaron and the related polygamous slayings. The PB article started with an illustration of a hand holding up a BoM and I was intrigued. It was my introduction to FLDS and splinter groups - Lebaron was probably big news in the Mormon west but I was secluded in the midwest and had not heard about it. I was so caught up in the PB article, I didn't notice my frat boy friend staging a polaroid moment. Thus, I found myself in a polaroid picture holding a Playboy and in a trance-like state while reading the article and standing next to me is a beautiful coed who had unbuttoned her blouse and taken off her jeans. Years later when I visited the frat house during a trip home, the picture was still on their "Hall of Fame".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    And outside of the church, most people would call that very unhealthy.
    Yes, they would probably call that definition unhealthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post

    However, dropping a putt for birdie nowdays would be classified as porn.
    Congratulations on beating your porn addiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    Wow, by that definition something that was porn to me 20 years ago is no longer porn.

    However, dropping a putt for birdie nowdays would be classified as porn.
    Hmm, that could become an addiction. Check yourself, BYU71.

    I should say that back then I meant that any picture/video/whatever of women that got your heart racing was pornography. It's an extreme definition. But reading FTSOTY and other church manuals I suspect leaders would love members to adopt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Hmm, that could become an addiction. Check yourself, BYU71.

    I should say that back then I meant that any picture/video/whatever of women that got your heart racing was pornography. It's an extreme definition. But reading FTSOTY and other church manuals I suspect leaders would love members to adopt it.
    And then the church would be left with an all-female missionary force because all teenage men would be classified as porn addicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    And then the church would be left with an all-female missionary force because all teenage men would be classified as porn addicts.
    THAT's why they changed the missionary age for women! So they can stamp out pornography addiction in the mission field!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    But if you like looking at midgets dressed like Star Wars storm troopers putting metal pipes up their anal orifice while gently walking a gerbil into your ass with the help of a large bic lighter, that doesn't strike me as normal and perhaps one might hesitate to send such a prospective missionary into the mission field. But that might just be me.
    I thought I was well beyond being surprised by things you say.

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    You've got quite the creative mind there, soldier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portland Ute View Post

    You've got quite the creative mind there, soldier.
    Seriously? That's not creative; it's derivative of stuff that comedians were joking about in the late 80's.

    Creative's the guy who we surprised in flagrante delicto with a slutty overripe cantaloupe in the middle of a cane field we were taking a shortcut across one afternoon in 1993.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Seriously? That's not creative; it's derivative of stuff that comedians were joking about in the late 80's.

    Creative's the guy who we surprised in flagrante delicto with a slutty overripe cantaloupe in the middle of a cane field we were taking a shortcut across one afternoon in 1993.
    No doubt, wasn't the rumors about Richard Gere and gerbil popular when "Pretty Woman" came out in either my junior or senior year of HS, 89-90?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    No doubt, wasn't the rumors about Richard Gere and gerbil popular when "Pretty Woman" came out in either my junior or senior year of HS, 89-90?
    I remember those. But I also heard the Pet Shop Boys came up with that name because of a gerbil fetish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    No doubt, wasn't the rumors about Richard Gere and gerbil popular when "Pretty Woman" came out in either my junior or senior year of HS, 89-90?
    I can't remember when I didn't know that rumor. I was a sophomore in 89-90; that seems about right. Speaking of Pretty Woman, I still get a flash of the first sex scene when I see a black piano. Some images never leave us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Seriously? That's not creative; it's derivative of stuff that comedians were joking about in the late 80's.

    Creative's the guy who we surprised in flagrante delicto with a slutty overripe cantaloupe in the middle of a cane field we were taking a shortcut across one afternoon in 1993.
    Midgets? Storm Troopers? Metal pipes? Big lighters?

    Sans the gerbils it's still a wild scene that Goat created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portland Ute View Post
    Midgets? Storm Troopers? Metal pipes? Big lighters?

    Sans the gerbils it's still a wild scene that Goat created.
    Midgets were cliche enough that Adam Sandler was already mocking their use in Happy Gilmore 15 years ago. Storm Trooper porn has been around since the 80's. Metal pipes? Come on? Big lighters? S&M?

    If you want creative, imagine a scene involving the cowgirl position on a waterbed with both people covered in sugar with a swarming hive on honeybees on them. All the while, there's a discoball going with Ministry's "Just One Fix" playing synched up with an old tv playing an endless loop of lottery drawings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    I would not buy a Playboy Magazine and actually never have. On the other hand if one was being passed around the office I would take a turn looking at it.

    I would hope my Bishop would agree with me that I do not have a problem with porn.
    Do you work at an office in the 1950s? I feel like I'm reading a post from Don Draper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Do you work at an office in the 1950s? I feel like I'm reading a post from Don Draper.
    BYU71 has an office full of Japanese decor and Rothko paintings. You have to take off your shoes to go in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    BYU71 has an office full of Japanese decor and Rothko paintings. You have to take off your shoes to go in.
    I was picturing dark hues, mahogany desks, Eames chairs, and secretaries with beehive hairdos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    I'm not a fan of everything that comes from LDS Social Services.

    Nevertheless, I get the impression that its support groups, which are adapted from AA's 12-step program, are pretty successful in helping people overcome things like addiction to pornography.
    Can you show me something in the DSM that define "porn addiction" much less even any reference to it whatsoever in the manual?

    Porn addiction does not exist in the real world of psychology. It can fall under compulsive behaviors or "hypersexual disorder", like not being able to live without porn and winding up fired because you look at it at work, or you ignore your wife/husband in favor of porn (an actual problem in Japan).

    I personally cringe when people try to make a moral issue into a psychological issue. What next, dope a 16 year old girl for visiting a porn site? That would not surprise me since Americans seem to think everything can be fixed with prescription drugs. America is the most medicated society on earth. Hey, maybe someone could figure out a way to shut off the brain centers associated with sex until such time that a man and woman want to go out dating. Opps, that would negate their impulse to find a marriageable partner. That's right folks, lust and infatuation are the bait that hooks a couple into marriage. I knew this girl who, if she got turned on sexually by a guy, she would stop dating him on the spot -- you know, unwholesome thoughts had to be the proof that the relationship was not spiritual. Sad that despite her beauty and intelligence she is now past 40 and unmarried. maybe when she reaches an age that the hormones no longer flow she will find that special guy to go to the temple with.

    I am not a fan of porn because I think it encourages behavior that is outside the bounds of married life and sex. However, like any other stimulation for the brain (food for example) it is natural for one to crave it and with the internet the availability is there all the time.

    Oh, and yes, the more we talk about porn in church (focus on it) the more we encourage its use. And another thing, is it really good to discuss such an issue in front of little kids? I think Brigham Young and Joseph Smith's jaws would drop to the floor seeing little kids in the audience when porn is being discussed an neither of them were prudes by any measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    I would not buy a Playboy Magazine and actually never have. On the other hand if one was being passed around the office I would take a turn looking at it.
    Geez, what office do you work at?
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