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  • #46
    Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    In CA, if you have a permit to use medical pot, you may also grow it. Most people don't. Why? Because the people that grow high-quality weed dedicate a significant amount of time and effort to perfect their craft. It doesn't just involve sprinkling some seeds from the Home Depot garden department in a terra cota pot, then leaving it out on the porch. Sure, that would yield some headache inducing grass, but it would not yield the high-grade product for which medical users pay a premium. An 8th of medical grade actually costs MORE (on average) than it would on the street.
    Part of the problem with asking this to a largely teetotaling LDS crowd is the lack of understanding that not all people who drink are alcoholics. Not everyone who smokes tobacco is addicted. Not everyone who indulges in a little weed is a burned-out pothead à la Brad Pitt in True Romance.

    I know plenty of normal people who smoke up on occasion. And they're not 21-year-old college juniors. They have good jobs, kids, hobbies, exercise regularly, pay their taxes, etc. Similarly, they enjoy a glass of wine on Saturday night or an occasional cigar when playing poker with the boys. People just like to relax with a joint once in awhile.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Solon View Post
      Part of the problem with asking this to a largely teetotaling LDS crowd is the lack of understanding that not all people who drink are alcoholics. Not everyone who smokes tobacco is addicted. Not everyone who indulges in a little weed is a burned-out pothead à la Brad Pitt in True Romance.

      I know plenty of normal people who smoke up on occasion. And they're not 21-year-old college juniors. They have good jobs, kids, hobbies, exercise regularly, pay their taxes, etc. Similarly, they enjoy a glass of wine on Saturday night or an occasional cigar when playing poker with the boys. People just like to relax with a joint once in awhile.
      RELAX!?!?! WHO NEEDS TO RELAX?!?!?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Solon View Post
        Part of the problem with asking this to a largely teetotaling LDS crowd is the lack of understanding that not all people who drink are alcoholics. Not everyone who smokes tobacco is addicted. Not everyone who indulges in a little weed is a burned-out pothead à la Brad Pitt in True Romance.

        I know plenty of normal people who smoke up on occasion. And they're not 21-year-old college juniors. They have good jobs, kids, hobbies, exercise regularly, pay their taxes, etc. Similarly, they enjoy a glass of wine on Saturday night or an occasional cigar when playing poker with the boys. People just like to relax with a joint once in awhile.
        I agree with everything you've said here. The LDS culture doesn't present these particular vices (for lack of a better word) in a good light.

        That said, I do have to say that the only people I've ever heard say that pot doesn't cause any problems are unemployed habitual users.
        "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


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        • #49
          Originally posted by 8BR View Post
          Funny stuff. People will be able to grow their own and use it without being taxed, sure. But with taxes it will not be that much cheaper to buy than at today's black market prices.
          But it is currently dirt cheap, so that shouldn't be a problem, and if it is everybody will just keep a couple plants in their homes. What's so funny?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
            I agree with everything you've said here. The LDS culture doesn't present these particular vices (for lack of a better word) in a good light.

            That said, I do have to say that the only people I've ever heard say that pot doesn't cause any problems are unemployed habitual users.
            Those may be the vocals ones you hear from IPU, but there are also the people we all associate with like Solon described (have good jobs, are good family people and citizens, etc.) who occasionally smoke pot but don't say anything, ya or nay, about the effects of it, and we don't even know they're users.
            Last edited by scottie; 01-19-2010, 04:51 PM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by scottie View Post
              Those may be the vocals ones you hear from IPU, but there are also the people we all associate like Solon described (have good jobs, are good family people and citizens, etc.) who occasionally smoke pot but don't say anything, ya or nay, about the effects of it, and we don't even know they're users.
              That's what I'm trying to convey - I've never heard a recreational user make the claim that pot doesn't hurt anyone and I'm guessing that it's because they aren't trying to justify smoking it. I've only heard the potheads say it.
              "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


              "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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              • #52
                Between the ages of 16-17, I enjoyed the wacky weed. I believe in legalizing it, but as a near 40-something, I just can't justify using it.

                For anyone who's smoked some tree and had a drink, you know that pot is a much better recreational drug than booze...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                  That's what I'm trying to convey - I've never heard a recreational user make the claim that pot doesn't hurt anyone and I'm guessing that it's because they aren't trying to justify smoking it. I've only heard the potheads say it.
                  What I'm trying to convey then is that the rec user doesn't have to claim that it doesn't hurt anyone because they're living proof that it doesn't, there's no need for them to say or justify anything.

                  (Maybe that's what you're saying too, I'm just a little slow).

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                    That's what I'm trying to convey - I've never heard a recreational user make the claim that pot doesn't hurt anyone and I'm guessing that it's because they aren't trying to justify smoking it. I've only heard the potheads say it.
                    That's not true, because you've seen me and others say it on this forum. I doubt any of us are unemployed habitual users.

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                    • #55
                      I'm for legalizing it. I smoke it about twice a year on average. If it were legal, my usage wouldn't go up. It just makes me laugh for about 20 minutes, then fall asleep.
                      Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by scottie View Post
                        What I'm trying to convey then is that the rec user doesn't have to claim that it doesn't hurt anyone because they're living proof that it doesn't, there's no need for them to say or justify anything.

                        (Maybe that's what you're saying too, I'm just a little slow).
                        Yep, I'm saying that too. Recreational users don't feel the need to justify using it.
                        "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                        "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
                          I'm for legalizing it. I smoke it about twice a year on average. If it were legal, my usage wouldn't go up. It just makes me laugh for about 20 minutes, then fall asleep.
                          ROCK ON

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Solon View Post
                            Part of the problem with asking this to a largely teetotaling LDS crowd is the lack of understanding that not all people who drink are alcoholics. Not everyone who smokes tobacco is addicted. Not everyone who indulges in a little weed is a burned-out pothead à la Brad Pitt in True Romance.
                            Hmm, yes, I'm sure most here lack the social exposure to actually know, let alone associate, with social drinkers, smokers, or the occasional pot smoker.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post

                              EXie and 8BR, do you favor criminalizing alcohol again?
                              Yes. That sums up my position neatly. Criminalize alcohol.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by 8BR View Post
                                Yes. That sums up my position neatly. Criminalize alcohol.


                                My question was asked in earnest.
                                "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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