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Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostSweet! I just listened to the current edition, and John says that Mormon atheists are cool. Suck on that mullahs!Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Originally posted by Donuthole View PostDo you consider yourself a Mormon athiest?
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Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostI do. I've said it before, here on CUF, that I was sick of the mullahs defining me out of the church, just because I didn't feel comfortable maintaining formal membership. Mormonism is a culture that runs way deeper than the LDS church. It is my heritage.
Out of curiosity, what is Dehlin's definition?Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Originally posted by Donuthole View PostSo, to clarify, your definition of a Mormon athiest is broader than the more common use on this board (which I have gathered to mean someone who doesn't believe in God but has remained an active member of the Church in spite of that)?
Out of curiosity, what is Dehlin's definition?Dyslexics are teople poo...
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Originally posted by Donuthole View PostSo, to clarify, your definition of a Mormon athiest is broader than the more common use on this board (which I have gathered to mean someone who doesn't believe in God but has remained an active member of the Church in spite of that)?
Out of curiosity, what is Dehlin's definition?
I don't think Dehlin is interested in broad definitions as much as he is interested in self-definition.
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Originally posted by Donuthole View PostSo, to clarify, your definition of a Mormon athiest is broader than the more common use on this board (which I have gathered to mean someone who doesn't believe in God but has remained an active member of the Church in spite of that)?
Out of curiosity, what is Dehlin's definition?
One very salient point he made is that if "Mormon" only includes active then right off the bat you have eliminated 2/3rds of who is on the rolls. I think he would define it very, very broadly. The idea here is to promote a recognition of what he have in common and not focus on "otherness" or try to shun or ostracize those who are something other than traditional TBMs.
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Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostI do. I've said it before, here on CUF, that I was sick of the mullahs defining me out of the church, just because I didn't feel comfortable maintaining formal membership. Mormonism is a culture that runs way deeper than the LDS church. It is my heritage.Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
pelagius
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Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostTo clarify, I don't think there is any common use of the term 'Mormon atheist,' and if I had heard anyone else use that term I would self-identify as such.
I don't think Dehlin is interested in broad definitions as much as he is interested in self-definition.Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Originally posted by UtahDan View PostHe talks about it in his most recent podcast, but basically it is the Jewish model. There are all kinds and all sorts of level of belief and practice, but they are all Jewish because it is a heritage and culture. I think he is saying that the whole spectrum should recognize the others as being part of "Mormonism" writ large.
One very salient point he made is that if "Mormon" only includes active then right off the bat you have eliminated 2/3rds of who is on the rolls. I think he would define it very, very broadly. The idea here is to promote a recognition of what he have in common and not focus on "otherness" or try to shun or ostracize those who are something other than traditional TBMs.
I don't disagree with Dehlin's premise, either. In fact, I wish more of those who officially leave the church were able to leave in practice without feeling a need to completely disown the heritage (something that is probably as much to blame on the "you're either with us or against us" mentality many members adopt as it is on those who leave).Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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On a side note, the term of use in the Church for non-actives is "Jack" Mormon. I am not sure where that comes from, perhaps some one knows. Also, why do Catholics refer to non-actives as "lapsed" Catholics, but we never used the term "lapsed"?Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by UtahDan View PostHe talks about it in his most recent podcast, but basically it is the Jewish model. There are all kinds and all sorts of level of belief and practice, but they are all Jewish because it is a heritage and culture. I think he is saying that the whole spectrum should recognize the others as being part of "Mormonism" writ large.
One very salient point he made is that if "Mormon" only includes active then right off the bat you have eliminated 2/3rds of who is on the rolls. I think he would define it very, very broadly. The idea here is to promote a recognition of what he have in common and not focus on "otherness" or try to shun or ostracize those who are something other than traditional TBMs.
Robin I still think of you as Mormon. Accordingly, I also think of SU as Mormon. Though that is mostly because I like to think that makes SU wince."Nobody listens to Turtle."-Turtlesigpic
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Originally posted by John McClain View PostOn a side note, the term of use in the Church for non-actives is "Jack" Mormon. I am not sure where that comes from, perhaps some one knows. Also, why do Catholics refer to non-actives as "lapsed" Catholics, but we never used the term "lapsed"?Last edited by Donuthole; 02-04-2010, 06:02 PM.Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Originally posted by UtahDan View PostThe Hamer interview is fascinating. Just fascinating. My understanding of the RLDS just increased 100 fold. It is also very interesting because they are a lot of things that many members want the church to progress to. So you can sort of look at how that has worked and hasn't worked.
Looks like he is interviewing Peter Danzig tonight.
http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...zig#post188563
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon489.html
That should be interesting.Visca Catalunya Lliure
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