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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    she better be careful or she's going to end up the meat in a brief pudgy middle aged white guy threesome sandwich
    Dehlin would face the very real possibility of dealing with me if that were to happen. He wouldn't enjoy that very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Dehlin would face the very real possibility of dealing with me if that were to happen. He wouldn't enjoy that very much.
    i think protocol requires that you would have to be invited before joining in. ianal, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    i think protocol requires that you would have to be invited before joining in. ianal, though.
    I'd wait until after and then register my displeasure in a forceful way that had nothing to do with sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    it's a matter of presumption. for the person being recorded to have to affirmatively prove that their privacy was invaded doesn't make sense to me. the person who is doing the recording should have to prove that there is some kosher motivation behind the recording (obviously subject to statutory exceptions for domestic, sexual and child abuse).
    Doesn't that cut both ways? Should someone really have to prove that they were legitimately worried about threats prior to recording conversations?

    Maybe the law would carve out sufficient protection for this, I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Dehlin would face the very real possibility of dealing with me if that were to happen. He wouldn't enjoy that very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Doesn't that cut both ways? Should someone really have to prove that they were legitimately worried about threats prior to recording conversations?

    Maybe the law would carve out sufficient protection for this, I don't know.
    What about a scenario where you want to record a person running for political office who has been known to say some pretty nutty shit in private, just to expose him to a national audience? Obviously, the candidate is on his best behavior when in public, but might says something like "grab her by the [fill in the blank, the is strictly hypothetical anyway]."

    A person should have a general expectation of privacy, or at least an expectation that something they say in a small audience or in a non-public setting would remain that way. God help us if we all have to speak and act like we are speaking to Congress every minute of every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Doesn't that cut both ways? Should someone really have to prove that they were legitimately worried about threats prior to recording conversations?

    Maybe the law would carve out sufficient protection for this, I don't know.
    After a casual perusal, I didn't see any with the carve-out you suggest. More than two-thirds of the states agree with your perspective and only 12 states agree with the all persons' consent, so you can rest knowing your are in the majority position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    What about a scenario where you want to record a person running for political office who has been known to say some pretty nutty shit in private, just to expose him to a national audience? Obviously, the candidate is on his best behavior when in public, but might says something like "grab her by the [fill in the blank, the is strictly hypothetical anyway]."

    A person should have a general expectation of privacy, or at least an expectation that something they say in a small audience or in a non-public setting would remain that way. God help us if we all have to speak and act like we are speaking to Congress every minute of every day.
    What defines public vs. private? Number of people involved in the conversation? If I am talking to 10 people on the bus, is that public? 10 friends in a restaurant?

    If I run into someone on the street and have a conversation, do I have the right to restrict how the content of that conversation is distributed?

    These are interesting questions. I am sympathetic to the 2-party arguments, but personally I fall on the side of 1-party consent. (until you guys change my mind I guess)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    What defines public vs. private? Number of people involved in the conversation? If I am talking to 10 people on the bus, is that public? 10 friends in a restaurant?

    If I run into someone on the street and have a conversation, do I have the right to restrict how the content of that conversation is distributed?

    These are interesting questions. I am sympathetic to the 2-party arguments, but personally I fall on the side of 1-party consent. (until you guys change my mind I guess)
    I agree, there is a boundary line and I'm not sure where it is.

    Mitt Romney's discussion about the 50% that will never vote for him comes to mind. Clearly he did not anticipate being recorded and broadcast to the larger public, but he made statements in a large public gathering. No chance that he has an expectation of privacy there. But what if he is in a campaign meeting with 5 of his closest aides and makes the same statement there? Or what if the statement is something less "relevant," but more personally damaging? "Test results came back, looks like I officially have micropenis." Sorry man, you said that in public! I was recording the whole time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I agree, there is a boundary line and I'm not sure where it is.

    Mitt Romney's discussion about the 50% that will never vote for him comes to mind. Clearly he did not anticipate being recorded and broadcast to the larger public, but he made statements in a large public gathering. No chance that he has an expectation of privacy there. But what if he is in a campaign meeting with 5 of his closest aides and makes the same statement there? Or what if the statement is something less "relevant," but more personally damaging? "Test results came back, looks like I officially have micropenis." Sorry man, you said that in public! I was recording the whole time!
    If you have to be tested to answer that question, the answer is going to be yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I agree, there is a boundary line and I'm not sure where it is.

    Mitt Romney's discussion about the 50% that will never vote for him comes to mind. Clearly he did not anticipate being recorded and broadcast to the larger public, but he made statements in a large public gathering. No chance that he has an expectation of privacy there. But what if he is in a campaign meeting with 5 of his closest aides and makes the same statement there? Or what if the statement is something less "relevant," but more personally damaging? "Test results came back, looks like I officially have micropenis." Sorry man, you said that in public! I was recording the whole time!
    From now on, falafel will be micropenis guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    From now on, falafel will be micropenis guy.
    dime roll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    she better be careful or she's going to end up the meat in a brief pudgy middle aged white guy threesome sandwich
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    dime roll?
    Lol. I haven't said it in a few weeks but I am a fan of o_g's work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    If you have to be tested to answer that question, the answer is going to be yes.
    It was cold in the exam room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    dime roll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    I, for example, don't let students tape my classes. Why? Because it makes other students self-conscious to know that they're being record, and there are already enough affective filters against participation in a language classroom, I don't need someone's recorder adding to it. If they tell me, "I'll hide it" I still tell them "no" because all it takes is one person finding out they've been recorded for it to cause the whole class to know and then everyone to shut down.

    SC is a one-party consent state. If they were to record me against my will, I can't really do anything, but, could I not sue them for making a surreptitious copy of my copyrighted lecture?
    Yes you could sue, however if the student can prove he, she, or they require special accommodation, your action may not be fruitful. I am regularly recorded without my consent. In one instance I confiscated a phone, and would not return it unless I witnessed the student delete the recording. Sometimes students record using their laptops. I can't confiscate a laptop because the nature of many of the courses I teach require use of the laptop during in-class demonstrations.

    It's a tough situation to be in sometimes. I know colleagues who have been recorded, and the recording then ends up online, but cleverly edited in order to mock and defame. This is why I would strongly advocate for all party consent. It is far too easy to edit audio and video for nefarious purposes and increasingly difficult to discern what is raw captured recording versus an edited recording. It's all good and well to say: "just don't say something you aren't prepared to own," but that's just not realistic in this day and age of AI generated deepfake porn etc.

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    UW researchers create realistic video from audio files alone:


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    should be exception for police activity
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    should be exception for police activity
    Agreed. Policy activity involves public conduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    It’s true if you believe in the Mormon concept of sealings, however JD doesn’t se he’s just being dishonest, which is a very JD thing to do.
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    Any evidence that Smartt victimized (?) young women before being called as mission president?

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    Oh boy. JD has turned into a caricature.
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    I can’t see this thread pop up on the front page without thinking, “Wow, this book tour really isn’t doing James Comey any favors.”




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    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Haha. Help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Haha. Help!
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    That is really funny.
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    This link came across my Facebook feed yesterday. Not a MoSto guy but these letters are fascinating, and in the end pretty disturbing. I had never heard of Dr. Lowry Nelson but I have a lot of respect for him after reading these letters. Please note: this link takes you to photos of several letters from a collection at USU. They are presented without commentary.

    http://mormonstories.wpengine.com/ot...y_Exchange.pdf
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