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    Default John Dehlin is thinking about bringing Mormon Stories back

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    I’m thinking about bringing back Mormon Stories….but I’ll need some help.
    2010 January 11
    by John Dehlin

    I am currently considering bringing back Mormon Stories, targeting a few areas I feel really strongly about:

    1. Providing stories that will help people through the social, familial and spiritual effects of an LDS-related faith crisis (without any “nudge” or preference as to whether or not they stay in or leave the church). The overarching goals here would be to:
      • Create deeper empathy/understanding within our culture for those in a faith crisis, and
      • Provide healthy “role models” (tips and tricks) from people who have successfully worked through this crisis — from across the spectrum of belief/non-belief (ex-Mormons, post-Mormons, New Order Mormons, StayLDS, Apologists, etc.). The idea isn’t to point people in a specific direction, but instead to provide stories that will help people find the path that works best for them.
    2. Provide stories to help couples wherein one or both are experiencing a crisis of faith — in a way that might help them to avoid unproductive pain and/or divorce, and
    3. A deep dive/exploration into mental illness within Mormonism.

    ….but I will need some help to make it happen.

    If any of you are interested in supporting such a podcast, please contact me at: mormonstories@gmail.com.

    Thanks!

    John Dehlin
    http://mormonstories.org/?p=702

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    He has now done it and has several very interesting new podcasts up. I just listened to the interview with Joanna Brooks on a road trip today. Anyone who was at BYU in or around 1993 will be fascinated by this one.

    I can't even express how excited I am he is doing these again. Thanks John!!!

    www.mormonstories.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahDan View Post
    He has now done it and has several very interesting new podcasts up. I just listened to the interview with Joanna Brooks on a road trip today. Anyone who was at BYU in or around 1993 will be fascinated by this one.

    I can't even express how excited I am he is doing these again. Thanks John!!!

    www.mormonstories.org
    He posted a couple of times on CG:

    http://cougarguard.com/forum/member.php?u=463

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    And an interview w/ John Hamer.
    Very excited that he's back.
    I intend to live forever.
    So far, so good.
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    The Hamer interview is fascinating. Just fascinating. My understanding of the RLDS just increased 100 fold. It is also very interesting because they are a lot of things that many members want the church to progress to. So you can sort of look at how that has worked and hasn't worked.

    Looks like he is interviewing Peter Danzig tonight.

    http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...zig#post188563

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon489.html

    That should be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahDan View Post
    He has now done it and has several very interesting new podcasts up. I just listened to the interview with Joanna Brooks on a road trip today. Anyone who was at BYU in or around 1993 will be fascinated by this one.

    I can't even express how excited I am he is doing these again. Thanks John!!!

    www.mormonstories.org
    I listened to the Joanna Brooks interview, Part 1, the other day while I was working on some stuff.

    I wasn't really cognizant of the goings on around BYU at the time, but still interesting almost these 20 years later how things have changed or not changed, both for good and bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.J. Reilly View Post
    I listened to the Joanna Brooks interview, Part 1, the other day while I was working on some stuff.

    I wasn't really cognizant of the goings on around BYU at the time, but still interesting almost these 20 years later how things have changed or not changed, both for good and bad.
    Made me realize there as a lot of interesting stuff going on there that I was oblivious to while there, though a lot of what she speaks of sort of came to a head and ended as I arrived (1993),

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    John gave a shout out to the Foyer at the end of the "Mormon Stories past, present and future" episode.

    I agree with UD, the John Hammer podcast was a fascinating look at the RLDS/Comunity of Christ church and clears up some common misconceptions about that branch of mormonism.

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    Lol. I'm pretty sure he is referring to this:

    http://www.thefoyer.org/

    Still, after listen to the most recent podcast I am going to be opening my wallet later today to help him keep this thing going. There is nothing else like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahDan View Post
    Lol. I'm pretty sure he is referring to this:

    http://www.thefoyer.org/

    Still, after listen to the most recent podcast I am going to be opening my wallet later today to help him keep this thing going. There is nothing else like it.
    Yeah probably right. Didn't he post a couple of times on CG? For that reason I though maybe CUF was getting famous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    Yeah probably right. Didn't he post a couple of times on CG? For that reason I though maybe CUF was getting famous!
    Yes he did, though I am not sure he ever made his way here. We are small potatoes. He is a facebook friend though (me and a zillion other people) but from the way he talks he reads all the notes and emails he gets. Maybe I will invite him to drop by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    John gave a shout out to the Foyer at the end of the "Mormon Stories past, present and future" episode.

    I agree with UD, the John Hammer podcast was a fascinating look at the RLDS/Comunity of Christ church and clears up some common misconceptions about that branch of mormonism.
    What did he say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    What did he say?
    As UD pointed out it wasn't toward our Foyer. He was just asking listeners to link to his podcasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahDan View Post
    Yes he did, though I am not sure he ever made his way here. We are small potatoes. He is a facebook friend though (me and a zillion other people) but from the way he talks he reads all the notes and emails he gets. Maybe I will invite him to drop by.
    Small potatoes? No way! CougarUteForum is 'da bomb!



    Hey fellas! Thanks for all the kind words of support. Please drop me a line if I can ever help w/ anything. And please keep the feedback coming!!!

    John Dehlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by johndehlin View Post
    Small potatoes? No way! CougarUteForum is 'da bomb!



    Hey fellas! Thanks for all the kind words of support. Please drop me a line if I can ever help w/ anything. And please keep the feedback coming!!!

    John Dehlin
    Wow, I'm not usually this effective. Welcome John!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johndehlin View Post
    Small potatoes? No way! CougarUteForum is 'da bomb!



    Hey fellas! Thanks for all the kind words of support. Please drop me a line if I can ever help w/ anything. And please keep the feedback coming!!!

    John Dehlin
    John, just FYI that we have really good and open Mormon religious discussions here on CougarUteForum (we're not all about sports). I know you're a busy man, but you'd be MVP of The Foyer category here if you started participating.

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    Sweet! I just listened to the current edition, and John says that Mormon atheists are cool. Suck on that mullahs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    Sweet! I just listened to the current edition, and John says that Mormon atheists are cool. Suck on that mullahs!
    Do you consider yourself a Mormon athiest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Do you consider yourself a Mormon athiest?
    I do. I've said it before, here on CUF, that I was sick of the mullahs defining me out of the church, just because I didn't feel comfortable maintaining formal membership. Mormonism is a culture that runs way deeper than the LDS church. It is my heritage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    I do. I've said it before, here on CUF, that I was sick of the mullahs defining me out of the church, just because I didn't feel comfortable maintaining formal membership. Mormonism is a culture that runs way deeper than the LDS church. It is my heritage.
    So, to clarify, your definition of a Mormon athiest is broader than the more common use on this board (which I have gathered to mean someone who doesn't believe in God but has remained an active member of the Church in spite of that)?

    Out of curiosity, what is Dehlin's definition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    So, to clarify, your definition of a Mormon athiest is broader than the more common use on this board (which I have gathered to mean someone who doesn't believe in God but has remained an active member of the Church in spite of that)?

    Out of curiosity, what is Dehlin's definition?
    so he is a less active Mormon atheist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    So, to clarify, your definition of a Mormon athiest is broader than the more common use on this board (which I have gathered to mean someone who doesn't believe in God but has remained an active member of the Church in spite of that)?

    Out of curiosity, what is Dehlin's definition?
    To clarify, I don't think there is any common use of the term 'Mormon atheist,' and if I had heard anyone else use that term I would self-identify as such.

    I don't think Dehlin is interested in broad definitions as much as he is interested in self-definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    So, to clarify, your definition of a Mormon athiest is broader than the more common use on this board (which I have gathered to mean someone who doesn't believe in God but has remained an active member of the Church in spite of that)?

    Out of curiosity, what is Dehlin's definition?
    He talks about it in his most recent podcast, but basically it is the Jewish model. There are all kinds and all sorts of level of belief and practice, but they are all Jewish because it is a heritage and culture. I think he is saying that the whole spectrum should recognize the others as being part of "Mormonism" writ large.

    One very salient point he made is that if "Mormon" only includes active then right off the bat you have eliminated 2/3rds of who is on the rolls. I think he would define it very, very broadly. The idea here is to promote a recognition of what he have in common and not focus on "otherness" or try to shun or ostracize those who are something other than traditional TBMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    I do. I've said it before, here on CUF, that I was sick of the mullahs defining me out of the church, just because I didn't feel comfortable maintaining formal membership. Mormonism is a culture that runs way deeper than the LDS church. It is my heritage.
    I agree with you Robin. In fact, that is one of the main reasons I've stuck with the church. I have received a great heritage (warts and all) from Mormonism and for that I'll be eternally grateful. So go ahead and call yourself a Mormon Atheist, do it with pride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    To clarify, I don't think there is any common use of the term 'Mormon atheist,' and if I had heard anyone else use that term I would self-identify as such.

    I don't think Dehlin is interested in broad definitions as much as he is interested in self-definition.
    I knew I'd read the term (a dyslexic iteration, anyway) before on CUF!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahDan View Post
    He talks about it in his most recent podcast, but basically it is the Jewish model. There are all kinds and all sorts of level of belief and practice, but they are all Jewish because it is a heritage and culture. I think he is saying that the whole spectrum should recognize the others as being part of "Mormonism" writ large.

    One very salient point he made is that if "Mormon" only includes active then right off the bat you have eliminated 2/3rds of who is on the rolls. I think he would define it very, very broadly. The idea here is to promote a recognition of what he have in common and not focus on "otherness" or try to shun or ostracize those who are something other than traditional TBMs.
    Interesting. FTR, I am in no way suggesting a specific definition of the term, as most non-scientific definitions or classifications tend to be either too broad or too specific. I merely inquiring as to Robin's view of his Mormonism and atheism.

    I don't disagree with Dehlin's premise, either. In fact, I wish more of those who officially leave the church were able to leave in practice without feeling a need to completely disown the heritage (something that is probably as much to blame on the "you're either with us or against us" mentality many members adopt as it is on those who leave).
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    On a side note, the term of use in the Church for non-actives is "Jack" Mormon. I am not sure where that comes from, perhaps some one knows. Also, why do Catholics refer to non-actives as "lapsed" Catholics, but we never used the term "lapsed"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahDan View Post
    He talks about it in his most recent podcast, but basically it is the Jewish model. There are all kinds and all sorts of level of belief and practice, but they are all Jewish because it is a heritage and culture. I think he is saying that the whole spectrum should recognize the others as being part of "Mormonism" writ large.

    One very salient point he made is that if "Mormon" only includes active then right off the bat you have eliminated 2/3rds of who is on the rolls. I think he would define it very, very broadly. The idea here is to promote a recognition of what he have in common and not focus on "otherness" or try to shun or ostracize those who are something other than traditional TBMs.
    I like this. I have many friends who are not active and lead lifestyles in conflict with the teachings of the Church, but they still consider themselves Mormon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John McClain View Post
    On a side note, the term of use in the Church for non-actives is "Jack" Mormon. I am not sure where that comes from, perhaps some one knows. Also, why do Catholics refer to non-actives as "lapsed" Catholics, but we never used the term "lapsed"?
    I always understood the term "Jack Mormon" to mean someone who, despite being a member, engaged in activities which were explicitly contrary to the teachings of the church. Whether they were active or not wasn't the defining characteristic, but rather the hypocrisy was (which hypocrisy is either heightened or lessened by one's professed/demonstrated level of activity in the Church).
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahDan View Post
    The Hamer interview is fascinating. Just fascinating. My understanding of the RLDS just increased 100 fold. It is also very interesting because they are a lot of things that many members want the church to progress to. So you can sort of look at how that has worked and hasn't worked.

    Looks like he is interviewing Peter Danzig tonight.

    http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...zig#post188563

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon489.html

    That should be interesting.
    I'm about 50 minutes into part 1 and I have a question. If Emma and Joseph's kids were so opposed to polygamy, why would they want to continue to participate in or lead a religion that had endorsed it? If they hated polygamy, why would they want to carry on Joseph's legacy/religion/faith/whatever if he was the leader of the polygamist idea?
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