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Originally posted by Borg View Post...Also: Another question. For those that do triathlons...do you freestyle swim the entire mile etc...without breaking into another type of stroke for a 'rest'...or do you just hammer through it freestyle?
Part of my problem is that I'm not as comfortable breathing out of the left side as I am the right. I'm working on that - hoping that eventually I'll be able to do well enough that this will reduce my need to look up.
Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post...If one is training for an open water event, the mile you do in the pool with open turns might be much easier than the mile you'll do in the lake....
The rec center I swim at has a lap pool as well as a kids/play pool with a lazy river that goes around a portion of it. When there aren't a bunch of old people walking the lazy river, I'll swim in that sometimes - just to get a feel for swimming for 30 minutes straight without kicking off a wall.
It is crazy to me. I feel like I can go forever - 60-90 minutes of swimming straight through - if I'm just swimming along doing laps. But put me in the lazy river and I'm worn out in 10 minutes. Part of this is because I'm not content holding position and want to move forward - but I think part of it is the break at the walls.
Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post...My new challenge is what I guess are called stroke cycles. The coaches have brought to my attention that at my height (6' 2") I should be working toward swimming 25 yards in around 7 cycles (a right and left stroke). I currently can do it in 9 for a while then as I tire it turns into 10/11. When I watch the good swimmers (one in particular who swam in college) they do the same number of cycles on every single lap. It amazes me and I think maybe one of the keys to being a good triathlete is improving that efficiency. Think about how much unnecessary work a newbie like me does over those 25 yards. Extrapolate that out to a one mile swim and you can see that working on your cycle could really pay dividends in the long run.
So I'll spend a part of each swim just seeing how few cycles I can cross the pool in - focusing on the glide.
Originally posted by BigPiney View PostRelated to this, I have noticed that a lot of new swimmers don't take advantage of the momentum that the stroke provides. In order to reduce the number of strokes you are taking and make yourself more efficient I recommend, at least during your warm-up, emphasize the glide portion of the stroke, when your hand is fully extended in front and concentrating on rotating your hips. As you do this, working on the glide, you will become more efficient.
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Originally posted by bluegoose View PostSweet! Open turners unite! I can't tell you how many times I've come up sputtering and disoriented while trying to learn how to do a flip turn."Newton's First Law of Motion: ...things at rest tend to stay at rest. Things in motion, tend to stay in motion...."
Hmm... Good motivation for me to remain active I guess.
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What do you use as a lap counter? Not that I'm burning up the laps...but, after a bit, I get lost and can't remember what I've done. Is there a lap counter out there somewhere that would be recommended?"Newton's First Law of Motion: ...things at rest tend to stay at rest. Things in motion, tend to stay in motion...."
Hmm... Good motivation for me to remain active I guess.
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Originally posted by Borg View PostAnyone-
What do you use as a lap counter? Not that I'm burning up the laps...but, after a bit, I get lost and can't remember what I've done. Is there a lap counter out there somewhere that would be recommended?
I've never used one but I know they got them out there.
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the timex ironman watches ($30 at walmart) have a good split function. You can also use out on track workouts (have I done 10 or 11 400s?).At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
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Thanks again everyone. Space Ghost...I stand ...um...."swim" in awe. You are an excellent swimmer. Wow...I doubt I'll ever get to your level.
I'm a way beginner, but my 50 yard split times are pretty much 1:03ish...give or take,...and I can not come close to a one mile workout. Your times are fast and very consistent. Great job."Newton's First Law of Motion: ...things at rest tend to stay at rest. Things in motion, tend to stay in motion...."
Hmm... Good motivation for me to remain active I guess.
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Originally posted by Space GhostConsistent yes, fast... no. A 25-minute mile will probably seed me in one of the last few heats of my race in July. The US record for a 1-mile cable swim in my age group (40-44) is 20:16.84, which translates to a 34.57s per 50yd pace... or about 8 seconds per 50 yards faster than what I swam this morning. I'll be very happy if I can swim my race at a 40s per 50yd pace, which is about a 23½ minute mile.
Your comments flatter me, but I should remind you that I started swimming seriously again about 8 months ago (last August) and have been swimming an hour or more nearly every day since then. At the beginning I was swimming at around a 1:45 per 100yd pace, or about 53s per 50y... not far from where you are now. I have confidence that, with some additional time and training, you'll be able to achieve my level of "excellence".
cheers.
Do you swim as fast in open water? Open water tris are total chaos-to the point where I would think it would negate a lot of the form advantages of good swimmers--lots of looking up, redirecting course, crawling over people, trying not to suck up water in choppy waters, etc. The closest analogy I can think of would be muddy fields negating speed advantages in football. Yet, strong swimmers still kick the crap out of me on these. Is open water swimming an acquired skill? That's a dumb question--of course it is--but do you find that you lose a little of your speed advantage in open water vs pool?At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
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So last year, I had gained back some of my swim fitness after a month or so in the pool. Then I started a business and had 0 time to work out for about 6 months. Today was my first day back. Any gains are LONG gone. That hurt.
Also, not that it's officially timed, but my pace seems to be about 1/4 of what I swam in High School. Man I suck."It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."
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Originally posted by Space GhostDropped by Lindon Beach this evening to join a group of people for a swim in Utah Lake. A lot of folks showed up wearing full wetsuits and sleeveless wetsuits, which worried me somewhat. The water temperature wasn't bad... probably 70-72 degrees, or just fine for the Speedo jammer I was wearing. It was decided to swim out for 15 minutes, then turn around and swim back. I managed to make it back in 13 minutes, but with the help of some (wake) waves giving me a little push from time to time.
They don't wear wetsuits for the temperature. They wear wetsuits to improve buoyancy so they can swim for more than thirteen minutes at a time.
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Originally posted by Babs View PostThey don't wear wetsuits for the temperature. They wear wetsuits to improve buoyancy so they can swim for more than thirteen minutes at a time.
Regardless, boyancy isn't an issue in Utah Lake. If you get tire at any time, you can just stand up.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by falafel View PostI thought they wore wet suits to protect against skin infection caused by swimming in Utah Lake.
Regardless, boyancy isn't an issue in Utah Lake. If you get tire at any time, you can just stand up.
I don't know anything about Utah Lake, having never ventured outside of the airport.
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