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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    It was a decent final episode with a major cliffhanger (to be expected).

    Some spoiler questions:
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    It is funny that Saul seems to have some genuine professional integrity. Is that realistic, or does he simply not know the level that Gus is playing at?

    I'm glad that Gus is still alive. How long will that last?

    Did Jesse pull the gun to the side before shooting? Is Gail dead or alive?

    The next season looks like it will start strong. This was the big problem with this season, dealing with the calamity at the end of last season resulted in a slow start this season. Next season looks like it has the potential to start strong.
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    I just got done watching, and I watched the last scene a few times. At first it looked like he moved the gun to the side, but when I saw it again it appears that it was just the movement of the camera bringing the barrel of the gun into focus.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    I was a little off on the five seasons thing. I thought that was the number I read, but it appears to be four. However, in a very recent interview with Vince Gilligan, he mentioned that they may consider going five.

    We've talked in the past about your idea that you see this as a four-season show. Given where we've come by the end of this season, do you still feel that way?

    Boy, I tell ya. This is the tough question of all time. It's the question I think about every day. Philosophically, I truly believe it's better to leave the party too early rather than too late. I'd rather leave people wanting more. I want to satisfy the audience as much as I humanly can. But I think it would be more satisfying for people to say, "Jesus, I wish they ran a little longer" than for them to say, "Man, that show used to be good, and then I just lost all interest because it became the same old thing, week in and week out." Of those two possibilities, I'd prefer the first.

    Having said that, this show continues to surprise me, and I think it surprises my writers, day in and day out that, knock on wood, we continue to be interested in these characters ourselves. I think that's the root reason the show remains interesting: we, the people creating it, remain interested in the characters we're writing about and the stories we're telling. We continue to be confounded and fascinated by Walter White and why he does the things he does, and is there any good left in him? All these kind of questions continue to fill our days. They continue to consume us.

    All of this is to say, four seasons feels pretty good to me, and I have said that in several interviews, but I can't say it with absolute certainty. At the end of every season, we try to end with a big enough bang, in a fashion such that if the whole series ended right then and there, it'd be somewhat satisfying, or at least end with a big enough bang. So if for instance we didn't get a season four, it'd be a bummer of an ending, but it'd be a big ending nonetheless, and it could work as a series ender. Having said all of that, season four might be a good place to end it, possibly we could go to season five. Can't picture anything beyond season five. I don't have a definitive answer for you, because the character continues to be interesting to me, and I'm not that Bobby Fischer player where I had the whole thing figured out in my head. I don't know exactly where Walt's going to wind up. I have the vaguest of ideas of how the series should end in a satisfying, at least to me, manner. But having said that, I don't know how long it'll take to get from the point we're at to that point, and I don't know how long we'll have. Because as with most TV shows, the structure of the business is such that if a show is doing well, you don't think about ending it, you only think about continuing it. We don't have any other business paradigm than any other show has in that regard. There's no real talk of ending things.

    I don't have a definitive end date in mind. I kinda wish though that someone would say, "Okay, it's gonna end on this date exactly X number of episodes from now. So write to that wisely." That's how you have at least half a chance of ending a show in a truly satisfying manner, is to know how many days you have left. But in the absence of anyone telling me that, and I don't think anybody's gonna tell me anytime soon, we just have to continue parceling out the story as best we can and kind of hope to keep things interesting.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    I finished the last two episodes of Season 2 last night. Wow. Such a great show.

    Spoiler for There's no turning back:
    I was pretty shocked that he let Apology Girl drown in her own vomit. The scene was amazing, as you could almost see a new line of demarcation being drawn in his mind and then promptly crossed. Up until that point, every death which had been directly caused by Walt & Jesse's operation was either accidental or seemingly "justified" in his mind (i.e. killing a drug dealer is justifiable because a) the drug dealer is trying to kill me, or b) if I don't, he'll just go back to dealing). But letting Apology Girl die was purely in protection of his situation. She was a loose cannon who could have compromised him at any time. IMO, his tears while watching her die were tears of remorse, but not for her death. They were tears of remorse as he hammered the final nail into his moral coffin.
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    It pretty much took me all of season 3 to get over how irritated I was by the end of season 2. And even with last night's finale, to a small extent I was still a bit bugged by what I think has been a reoccurring flaw in the show.

    But since Sunday's finale wasn't a huge crock of shit in the way that season 2's finale was, I think 3 was overall the better season, despite a slow start.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkGrace View Post
    It pretty much took me all of season 3 to get over how irritated I was by the end of season 2. And even with last night's finale, to a small extent I was still a bit bugged by what I think has been a reoccurring flaw in the show.

    But since Sunday's finale wasn't a huge crock of shit in the way that season 2's finale was, I think 3 was overall the better season, despite a slow start.
    Which part of the Season 2 finale didn't you like? Or did you not like it in its entirety?

    I'm 4 episodes into season 3, and it definitely has a different vibe. I'm liking it, but I realize i'm not liking it as much as I loved season 1. Haven't been able to pin the reason down completely, yet. The cartel angle is getting interesting, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    [COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Which part of the Season 2 finale didn't you like? Or did you not like it in its entirety?[COLOR]
    I hated the plane crash and the fact that the body bags which loomed over most of the season were filled with inconsequential characters. After the way the events of the finale were built up throughout the flashforwards, those bags just needed to be filled with important characters (someone very close to Walt) in order for the story and message of it all to resonate. I felt like it was a massive cop-out by the writers, and while I merely disliked it when it aired, the more I thought about it the more I just absolutely hated it. In a way it ruined so much of the season for me.

    As I said above, one of the major flaws for me in the show is that they continue to refuse to kill any character of consequence. It seems as if everyone who dies is brought in for the sole purpose of fulfilling that end, and they always make a last-ditch effort to build up the character right before they kill him/her (which is exactly what they did with the cousins and Gail at the end of season 3 -- we finally get some backstory to these people right before they die so that the deaths have meaning; for me it never works). The deaths involved in the show to this point have just been props.

    Anyway, here's the post I made at the time: http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=19
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkGrace View Post
    I hated the plane crash and the fact that body bags which loomed over most of the season were filled with inconsequential characters. After the way events of the finale were built up throughout the flashforwards, those bags just needed to be filled with important characters (someone very close to Walt) in order for the story and message of it all to resonate. I felt like it was a massive cop-out by the writers, and while I merely disliked it when it aired, the most I thought about it the more bitter I got. In a way it ruined so much of the season for me.

    As I said above, one of the major flaws for me in the show is that they continue to refuse to kill any character of consequence. It seems as if everyone who dies is brought in for the sole purpose of fulfilling that end, and they always make a last-ditch effort to build up the character right before they kill him/her (which is exactly what they did with Gail at the end of season 3 -- we finally get some development from his character and shots of him at home, just in time to kill him.). The deaths involved in the show to this point have just been props.

    Anyway, here's the post I made at the time: http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=19
    Ok, that's what I hoped you hated. I agree on that front. If it's going to be something that inconsequential (to the main characters) then don't spend a 1-2 minute black and white intro dedicated to it every single episode of the season. I really did like the twist with Apology Girl, though.

    I think season 3 has made me laugh more than the other seasons, I think. The pizza/roof scene was funny, and there was another scene that had me cracking up pretty good (though I can't remember it now). The situation is as serious as ever, but there seems to be more levity in the writing, for whatever reason. I can't decide if I like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    I think season 3 has made me laugh more than the other seasons, I think. The pizza/roof scene was funny, and there was another scene that had me cracking up pretty good (though I can't remember it now). The situation is as serious as ever, but there seems to be more levity in the writing, for whatever reason. I can't decide if I like it or not.
    Saul always brings the levity. That dude has some killer one-liners throughout the season. The show has definitely added an element of camp that it didn't previously have, but I have mostly enjoyed it.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    Next season won't air until July 2011. Dang, that's a long wait.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkGrace View Post
    Next season won't air until July 2011. Dang, that's a long wait.
    And Season 3 isn't available on DVD until October.

    I just bought the first two seasons, and I'm really looking forward to watching them.

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    Just finished S1. Fantastic stuff.

    Seems like there's a lot of f-bombs. Are those "DVD cuts", when those lines were edited for what aired? Or are they "blanked" on the aired episodes? I love it. Walt Jr's "why don't you f*cking die, already?" when he's vacillating on chemo is great.

    Can't wait to start S2.

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    Cranston and Paul for the win!

    (man, Aaron Paul is one tiny dude)

    Great line from Cranston telling his wife and daughter that he loves them more than baseball.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    Starting on Wednesday, December 8, 2010, AMC will be running all 3 seasons, in order, 2 episodes per week. Just an FYI.
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    Saw that. Nice. I'm thinking of rewatching the whole thing before season 4.
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    AMC is replaying every episode in chronological order starting with the first 2 episodes every Wed night. I DVR'd them last night and wow....that is one seriously effed up show.....I'll continue to watch and it may take me a few more episodes to get hooked.

    Brian Cranston is amazing so far.

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    Recently finished season one and I am on the third episode of season two. I almost gave up in season one after the first few episodes because the pace was so slow. Last episode of season one convinced me to try season two and the first two episodes have been great.

    I really like that Hank character (and his nutty wife). I smile every time Hank comes on the screen. He seldom disappoints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Recently finished season one and I am on the third episode of season two. I almost gave up in season one after the first few episodes because the pace was so slow. Last episode of season one convinced me to try season two and the first two episodes have been great.

    I really like that Hank character (and his nutty wife). I smile every time Hank comes on the screen. He seldom disappoints.
    I just watched season 3. The first half of the season was great, the pacing was really slow in the middle, but the end was great.
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    Spoiler for Moral dilemma Season 2:
    Is it murder when Walter lets Pinkman's girlfriend choke on her own vomit?

    In the eyes of God and of man?

    God = yes

    Man = callous indifference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Spoiler for Moral dilemma Season 2:
    Is it murder when Walter lets Pinkman's girlfriend choke on her own vomit?

    In the eyes of God and of man?

    God = yes

    Man = callous indifference?
    Spoiler for Moral Dilemma:
    I say:
    God = yes
    Man = yes

    It's a major turning point for Walt, IMO. Up until that point, any death inflicted by him (either intentionally or unintentionally) was to someone who posed an immediate physical danger to pinkman, him, or his family. But she was the first person he "killed" purely out of fear that she might spoil his plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Spoiler for Moral Dilemma:
    I say:
    God = yes
    Man = yes

    It's a major turning point for Walt, IMO. Up until that point, any death inflicted by him (either intentionally or unintentionally) was to someone who posed an immediate physical danger to pinkman, him, or his family. But she was the first person he "killed" purely out of fear that she might spoil his plans.
    Spoiler for My thoughts on your thoughts:
    That's how I'm feeling about it. I think the virtue, as it were, went out of him over that one. I'm up to the episode where his wife tells him to leave and that's she too scared to know what the truth is. I know this; I hated his wife from S1E1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Spoiler for My thoughts on your thoughts:
    That's how I'm feeling about it. I think the virtue, as it were, went out of him over that one. I'm up to the episode where his wife tells him to leave and that's she too scared to know what the truth is. I know this; I hated his wife from S1E1.
    Spoiler for mas:
    Yes. Every death was seemingly justifiable collateral damage up until that point.

    I like Skylar (though she does seem like that over-demand, under-reward, nag nag nag nag nag type at times), but maybe that's because I'm all the way through Season 3.
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    Spoiler for Skyler:
    So, I got to the episode last night where Skyler sleeps with her boss after Walt forces his way back into the house. I really hate her character. She's been whiny and nagging for the entire series. I know he's a drug dealer, but I've never found a pregnant mom more unsympathetic in a film/show than I do he
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Spoiler for Skyler:
    So, I got to the episode last night where Skyler sleeps with her boss after Walt forces his way back into the house. I really hate her character. She's been whiny and nagging for the entire series. I know he's a drug dealer, but I've never found a pregnant mom more unsympathetic in a film/show than I do he
    r.
    Everyone hates her. The producers said they are always shocked but how much fans detest Skyler.
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    WOW!

    Spoiler for Season three major spoiler:
    Just when you think you've got Walt figured out, he goes and hits the two dealers with his car, shoots one of them in the head, and tells Jesse to "run!"


    We have one episode left, and it's going to KILL me to wait and see what happens in the S3 finale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    WOW!

    Spoiler for Season three major spoiler:
    Just when you think you've got Walt figured out, he goes and hits the two dealers with his car, shoots one of them in the head, and tells Jesse to "run!"


    We have one episode left, and it's going to KILL me to wait and see what happens in the S3 finale.
    The last 10 minutes of the finale are pretty sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    WOW!


    We have one episode left, and it's going to KILL me to wait and see what happens in the S3 finale.
    I watched the S3 finale last night. Very nice cliff-hanger.
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    I just started Season 5 of the Wire this past weekend. I let out a happy "Gale!" when I saw that David Costablie (Breaking Bad's "Gale") was going to be a regular on Season 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkGrace View Post
    Everyone hates her. The producers said they are always shocked but how much fans detest Skyler.
    I think she is a great character. Adds some nice tension and unpredictability to the series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I watched the S3 finale last night. Very nice cliff-hanger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    I just started Season 5 of the Wire this past weekend. I let out a happy "Gale!" when I saw that David Costablie (Breaking Bad's "Gale") was going to be a regular on Season 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post


    Did I give something away?
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