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    An interesting clip of Anita Dunn discussing the Obama campaign strategy pre-election for dealing with the media and getting the Obama message out.

    An argument here is that by bypassing the media, controlling everything the American people saw, the Obama campaign avoided the scrutiny that is supposed to come with media attention.

    It's an interesting question. Right now, I don't quite buy the above argument; the media can do its own research and digging to find the story. Newspapers and TV news reporters are not dependent on others to do their work for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
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    An interesting clip of Anita Dunn discussing the Obama campaign strategy pre-election for dealing with the media and getting the Obama message out.

    An argument here is that by bypassing the media, controlling everything the American people saw, the Obama campaign avoided the scrutiny that is supposed to come with media attention.

    It's an interesting question. Right now, I don't quite buy the above argument; the media can do its own research and digging to find the story. Newspapers and TV news reporters are not dependent on others to do their work for them.

    Here is the Obama Administration's chief media strategist saying that the key
    to their handling of the media in the campaign is that they simply refused to talk to reporters. They used campaign videos and public appearances to get out the specific message they wanted to, and refused to talk directly to reporters. And the media LOVE them for it. Josef Goebbels would be proud.

    We currently have a very scary and very real alliance between the "independent" media and the ruling administration. They are using that alliance to pass sweeping legislation that the VAST majority of Americans would be opposed to, if they actually understood what was happening. The Senate's health care reform bill is even BIGGER than the House bill (1500 pages v 1300), and no one in the media care that they're not going to be told what's actually in it before the vote. And since the media don't care, neither do most Americans.

    Unfortunately there's going to be no way to hold any of the media accountable for their actions. In a saner time, people would be PISSED by such underhanded and undemocratic actions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by statman View Post
    Josef Goebbels would be proud.
    aaand scene. That was quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statman View Post
    Here is the Obama Administration's chief media strategist saying that the key
    to their handling of the media in the campaign is that they simply refused to talk to reporters. They used campaign videos and public appearances to get out the specific message they wanted to, and refused to talk directly to reporters. And the media LOVE them for it. Josef Goebbels would be proud.

    We currently have a very scary and very real alliance between the "independent" media and the ruling administration. They are using that alliance to pass sweeping legislation that the VAST majority of Americans would be opposed to, if they actually understood what was happening. The Senate's health care reform bill is even BIGGER than the House bill (1500 pages v 1300), and no one in the media care that they're not going to be told what's actually in it before the vote. And since the media don't care, neither do most Americans.

    Unfortunately there's going to be no way to hold any of the media accountable for their actions. In a saner time, people would be PISSED by such underhanded and undemocratic actions...
    It must be nice for Obama to know that the media will protect him from anyone who disagrees with him and will say anything he wants them to say in order for him to force his agenda down our throats.

    Journalists are no longer around. Just lap dogs. What a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
    It must be nice for Obama to know that the media will protect him from anyone who disagrees with him and will say anything he wants them to say in order for him to force his agenda down our throats.

    Journalists are no longer around. Just lap dogs. What a shame.
    These were the exact same arguments folks on the left were making under Bush, in particular in the days leading up to the war. Journalism is extremely broken in this country. It only reports the news that is cheap to report. There is a lack of investigation, a lack of research, and a lack of fact checking. It is broken for both the left and the right. Of course there is no shortage of opinions coming out of the media, because opinions are cheap.

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    These were the exact same arguments folks on the left were making under Bush, in particular in the days leading up to the war. Journalism is extremely broken in this country. It only reports the news that is cheap to report. There is a lack of investigation, a lack of research, and a lack of fact checking. It is broken for both the left and the right. Of course there is no shortage of opinions coming out of the media, because opinions are cheap.
    I concur wholeheartedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
    It must be nice for Obama to know that the media will protect him from anyone who disagrees with him and will say anything he wants them to say in order for him to force his agenda down our throats.

    Journalists are no longer around. Just lap dogs. What a shame.
    The thing that's been killing me for the past week or so is the incessant insistence by Team Obama that the CBO has 'verified that the Senate Bill is "revenue neutral"'

    The CBO has done no such thing - and they have said so clearly and plainly - repeatedly.

    The CBo is there to be independent. They generally review bills for what thye actually say, make assumptions based on known circumstances, and say what they think the bill will do. For this bill, Senate Finance sent them a "bill" in CONCEPTUAL LANGUAGE - not in the form that it will be voted on, but rather, the general impacts that Senate Finance leaders say it will have. In such circumstances, the Finance Committee sets the assumptions that CBO must make - CBO doesn't actually know what the bill looks like, so they can't actually set the assumptions themselves.

    So, given the assumptions that the Finance Committee constrained the CBO with - and no actual bill - the CBO said "yeah, what they're given us is 'revenue neutral'" It's a complete and utter impossibility that things will come to pass with the assumptions that the Senate gave CBO (and the CBO has acknowledged this), but the media simply don't want the American public to know that they're ramming a horrible bill down our throats, and have not and will not challenge Senate leaders on the crap they're spewing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    These were the exact same arguments folks on the left were making under Bush, in particular in the days leading up to the war. Journalism is extremely broken in this country. It only reports the news that is cheap to report. There is a lack of investigation, a lack of research, and a lack of fact checking. It is broken for both the left and the right. Of course there is no shortage of opinions coming out of the media, because opinions are cheap.
    Although in this case, the Obama administration is making moves like they want to shut down Fox News. I can't recall Bush talking about wanting to get rid of the NY Times or CBS or whoever.

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    Am I the only one who thinks Anita Dunn sounds like Sylvester the Cat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
    Although in this case, the Obama administration is making moves like they want to shut down Fox News. I can't recall Bush talking about wanting to get rid of the NY Times or CBS or whoever.
    They haven't done anything to 'shut it down,' and you won't find any Obama quotes talking about 'getting rid of' Fox News. This is exactly the stupid kind of correction that makes debating you such a painful experience. Thanks for reminding me before I got into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    They haven't done anything to 'shut it down,' and you won't find any Obama quotes talking about 'getting rid of' Fox News. This is exactly the stupid kind of correction that makes debating you such a painful experience. Thanks for reminding me before I got into it.
    "Whether by mine own voice, or by the voice of my servants, it is the same."

    Fox is “not really a news station,” said David Axelrod.

    Fox, said Rahm Emmanuel, “is is not a news organization so much as it has a perspective.”

    "Let’s not pretend they’re a news organization like CNN is. The reality of it is that Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party. And it is not ideological… what I think is fair to say about Fox, and the way we view it, is that it is more of a wing of the Republican Party."

    -Anita Dunn

    Speaking of media magnate Rupert Murdoch's Fox, Dunn told the Times in an interview published Monday: "We're going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent."
    And this is from two Google links. There's a lot more.

    Sounds like the Obama team wants to be rid of Fox. You may interpret it differently.

    At Commentary today, Peter Wehner writes “The White House’s effort to target a news organization like Fox is vaguely Nixonian.”

    "It is one thing to set the record straight when specific false charges are made by individual reporters and commentators. But the tactic of a blanket attack against a network like Fox will, I think, end up damaging Barack Obama. The public generally wants its president to act as an adult, mature and relatively high-minded, focused on the problems of the day rather than on targeting media outlets. And it is more evidence of the fictional claim by Obama that he would 'resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long'; that 'the times are too serious, the stakes are too high' for the same old political-attack tricks; and that he alone would elevate public discourse and serve as a unifying figure for America. Barack Obama is, in fact, turning into one of our most divisive political figures in memory – and he’s become that in less than nine months.

    "This whole anti-Fox gambit will come across to a lot of people as misguided and petty, the product of a White House that is unusually thin-skinned and somewhat paranoid – and, perhaps, as one that can’t be trusted with power."
    It's not only conservatives who find this a bit unsettling. I'm not off-base here, Robin. Your snide remark was unnecessary.

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    Poor Obama. Poor, poor, Obama. What's a Marxist to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
    It's not only conservatives who find this a bit unsettling. I'm not off-base here, Robin. Your snide remark was unnecessary.
    Thanks JL. I'm going to assume that you presented a pile of quotes and analysis in which there is never a mention of 'shutting down' Fox News, or anything like unto it, because you agree with my point. Your magnanimity makes me feel bad for making my snide remark. In the future you needn't make my case for me. You can just say, "You were right Robin. I looked at the statements and I misinterpreted the administration's adversarial treatment of Fox to mean that they want to shut them down. You win the point."

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    This chart is pretty interesting, and in my opinion, after having read something within most of these sources at one time or another, pretty accurate. In that partisan test someone posted here a while back I tested right down the middle, so I'm thinking this is pretty much looking at this from that perspective.

    By the way, they update this chart over time. Fox News' sliding down to Uncle Ted's neighborhood in propaganda/nonsense corner happened with Trump getting into office. They used to be mainstream news on the conservative side in previous versions of this. I wonder how many of its viewers who consume no other sources noticed the slide? Those who occasionally read something even as milquetoast as USA Today possibly do.

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    Another interesting piece from The Atlantic on the history of conservative talk radio and how it eventually completely transformed the Republican Party (and helped set the table for Trumpism).

    I think the conclusion is exactly right:

    "The new political landscape has hamstrung the ability of Republican leaders to legislate, leading to constant brinkmanship epitomized by the longest government shutdown in history in the winter of 2018–19, when President Donald Trump heeded the calls of Limbaugh and others to fight, even though there really wasn’t a viable path to victory.

    This episode has unfortunately illustrated the new reality for the Republican Party: Over three decades, the titans of talk have remade the party in their own image, with elected Republicans now sounding more like commentators on the AM dial—or its cable equivalent, the Fox News Channel, where Hannity has hosted a show since 1996—than what used to be heard in the halls of Congress. While this made for gripping radio and TV, it left a more and more extreme party, with little capacity to govern and little appeal in the suburbs or with young and nonwhite voters.

    Trump’s presidency is the ultimate testament to the power of talk-radio conservatism. In one week last month, the president not only called in to Hannity’s show, but on a separate night tweeted, “Oh well, we still have the great @seanhannity who I hear has a really strong show tonight. 9:00 P.M.” He reportedly talks regularly with Hannity as well. And last winter, when Trump reversed course after the uprising on the right, it was Limbaugh to whom the president pledged that he would shut the government down if he didn’t get enough funds for his border wall.

    The power of these hosts would’ve been unthinkable when Limbaugh took the national airwaves by storm in 1988. But over three decades, hosts have used the special bond they’ve forged with their audiences to reshape the Republican Party in their image. For millions of listeners, the change has been electrifying. For excommunicated moderates, this show hasn’t been entertaining in the least. "

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-party/596380/
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Another interesting piece from The Atlantic on the history of conservative talk radio and how it eventually completely transformed the Republican Party (and helped set the table for Trumpism).

    I think the conclusion is exactly right:

    "The new political landscape has hamstrung the ability of Republican leaders to legislate, leading to constant brinkmanship epitomized by the longest government shutdown in history in the winter of 2018–19, when President Donald Trump heeded the calls of Limbaugh and others to fight, even though there really wasn’t a viable path to victory.

    This episode has unfortunately illustrated the new reality for the Republican Party: Over three decades, the titans of talk have remade the party in their own image, with elected Republicans now sounding more like commentators on the AM dial—or its cable equivalent, the Fox News Channel, where Hannity has hosted a show since 1996—than what used to be heard in the halls of Congress. While this made for gripping radio and TV, it left a more and more extreme party, with little capacity to govern and little appeal in the suburbs or with young and nonwhite voters.

    Trump’s presidency is the ultimate testament to the power of talk-radio conservatism. In one week last month, the president not only called in to Hannity’s show, but on a separate night tweeted, “Oh well, we still have the great @seanhannity who I hear has a really strong show tonight. 9:00 P.M.” He reportedly talks regularly with Hannity as well. And last winter, when Trump reversed course after the uprising on the right, it was Limbaugh to whom the president pledged that he would shut the government down if he didn’t get enough funds for his border wall.

    The power of these hosts would’ve been unthinkable when Limbaugh took the national airwaves by storm in 1988. But over three decades, hosts have used the special bond they’ve forged with their audiences to reshape the Republican Party in their image. For millions of listeners, the change has been electrifying. For excommunicated moderates, this show hasn’t been entertaining in the least. "

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-party/596380/
    I used to listen to a lot of conservative talk radio, but haven't listened at all in over a decade. There are several conservative talk radio hosts that are quite smart and have some interesting ideas. Some of them like to play the "shock jock" role and say outrageous stuff just to get people on the left riled up, but in general their ideas are not as radical as the mainstream media likes to paint them. There are a few exceptions, but the left-leaning media has made a concerted effort to de-legitimize talk radio as something on the "fringe" when in reality, it is pretty mainstream conservative ideology. At least that's the way I perceived it when I was listening over a decade ago (I acknowledge that things could have changed).

    Hannity is, and always has been, an intellectual midget with an enormously over-sized ego. Could never stand listening to him on the radio or on Fox News. Guy is a complete and utter moron. He isn't really that radical ... he is just completely vapid and apparently, given his fawning over Trump, has no principles whatsoever. Hannity was not representative of most talk radio, though, when I was paying attention to it.

    Limbaugh is more of the "shock jock" type. He says things to get attention. He's actually pretty intelligent though. I didn't always agree with him, but he would make interesting points that made me think. He never seemed to be much of the social conservatism/evangelical type, although he'd pay lip service to that wing of the Republican Party at times. He also seemed to be a party over principle guy, so it doesn't surprise me that he would be OK with Trump. He's also a ratings over policy guy, so it also doesn't surprise me that he would egg on a shutdown that served no purpose. His audience probably ate that stuff up.

    Overall, I don't think its really fair to blame the talk radio hosts for the current state of the Republican Party. They have their shticks, which are mostly motivated by ratings. There are people on the left that do the same thing, although to seemingly much less success. The real problem, as I see it, is the lack of intelligent and persuasive conservative thinkers in what is considered "mainstream journalism." The token conservative columnists at the New York Times and Washington Post are pretty pathetic when compared to those in the past. And conservative-leaning publications have either shut down completely or degraded in quality. Many of them have a disdain for younger voters and make no effort to win them or non-white voters over. Thus, "conservatism" (if you can even call it that anymore) seems to have been largely subsumed by the talk radio types.

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    Why has this thread been so dormant? This is what everything is about now. Move all the political posts into this thread, moderators!

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    Reviewing this short thread make sme wish Lingo was still around and glad that RF isnt. Freaking mods, what a bunch of clowns.
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    This is a sad thing.

    Shepard Smith, Fox News veteran anchor and frequent Trump target, abruptly resigns from the network


    Smith, Fox News’s chief news anchor and host of its afternoon news program “Shepard Smith Reporting,” said the decision to leave was his own but gave no further reason for his resignation. He signed off with a brief statement, surprising even his colleagues. Fox News said Friday’s program would be Smith’s last.

    Smith has been at Fox News since its founding in 1996 and is one of its signature figures. He was among the first people hired by Fox News’s co-founder, the late Roger Ailes, for the network’s launch. His recent tenure, however, has been marked by conflict and criticism, not just from President Trump but from within the network itself.

    The internal tensions at Fox News appear to have contributed to his resignation, according to multiple people at the network and those close to Smith who spoke to The Washington Post for this story. Smith was also in the middle of a long-term contract, making his resignation — and Fox’s agreement to release him — highly unusual.

    Earlier this month, he engaged in an extraordinary war of words with Tucker Carlson, one of the network’s most popular opinion hosts. Smith called Carlson “repugnant” for not defending Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano when a guest on Carlson’s program called Napolitano “a fool” for criticizing Trump’s efforts to gain damaging information on Democratic rival Joe Biden from the president of Ukraine.

    Carlson fired back, clearly referring to Smith but not naming him: “Unlike maybe some dayside hosts, I’m not very partisan.” ...

    Smith’s criticism of Trump dates to the beginning of Trump’s presidency. After a presidential news conference in early 2017, for example, he called some of Trump’s responses “absolutely crazy.” He went on to defend rival news network CNN after Trump called its reporting “fake news.”

    “CNN’s reporting was not fake news,” Smith said at the time. “Its journalists follow the same standards to which other news organizations, including Fox News, adhere.”

    More recently, he urged Fox News viewers to read special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report of his investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, strongly suggesting that it didn’t exonerate the president, as Trump and Attorney General William P. Barr had claimed. “Everyone in America should read” it, he said on the air. “Everyone.”
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    Why the hell was Barr meeting with Rupert Murdoch?

    Rep. Harley Rouda (D-Calif.) suggested Friday that Attorney General William Barr's reported meeting with media giant Rupert Murdoch this week should be investigated by lawmakers.

    Murdoch, the chairman of Fox, and Barr met at Murdoch's New York home on Wednesday night, The New York Times reported. It is unclear what the duo discussed, with aides to both men declining to comment to the newspaper earlier this week.

    "What the hell is the attorney general of the United States doing meeting with the head of Fox?" Rouda, who sits on the House Oversight and Reform Committee, said during an interview on SiriusXM’s "The Dean Obeidallah Show" on Friday.

    "And for what purpose could that possibly be, especially in light of the fact this is happening exactly at the same time the president of the United States is saying Fox News isn’t being kind enough to him?" the Democratic lawmaker added.

    Rouda suggested that lawmakers should look into the meeting, adding, "I think it is within our purview because we want to know."
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Why the hell was Barr meeting with Rupert Murdoch?



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    Project Veritas exposes racial and political bias at CNN...

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    CNN, the 24 hour impeachment network...

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    ABC #FakeNews...



    But ABC has taken down the video after the "error" was pointed out...

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    Project Veritas...



    I am starting to wonder if the movie Nightcrawler was more of a documentary than a work of fiction. News networks such as CNN are just making up sh*t for ratings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Project Veritas...



    I am starting to wonder if the movie Nightcrawler was more of a documentary than a work of fiction. News networks such as CNN are just making up sh*t for ratings.
    James O'Keefe has one of the more punchable faces I have ever seen.

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    Didn’t Project Veritas give up any claim to Veritas a few years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Didn’t Project Veritas give up any claim to Veritas a few years ago?
    Yes. They are one of the more ironically named outlets around. So it makes sense Ted loves them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Yes. They are one of the more ironically named outlets around. So it makes sense Ted loves them.
    Yeah, seems better than CNN, the "24 hour impeach Drumpf" and the "DNC doesn't like her so cut her off and rig the election" Network.

    Hey, did ABC News every apologize for cropping that gun show video and calling it a gun fight in Syria? Nope. That is a new low in "news reporting."

    Y'all get your news from high quality sources, don't you?
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