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    Dante Exum + two 2nds to Cleveland for Jordan Clarkson.

    For a team that needs some offense, I’ll take it. Plus Clarkson is expiring after this year. So I think it’s a win. They needed to do something. And I’m not sure they were gonna get much more for Dante.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
    Dante Exum + two 2nds to Cleveland for Jordan Clarkson.

    For a team that needs some offense, Iíll take it. Plus Clarkson is expiring after this year. So I think itís a win. They needed to do something. And Iím not sure they were gonna get much more for Dante.
    Clarkson may be the biggest black hole in the NBA. He has Kobeís insane confidence with a shot closer to Shaq. Iíve never been a fan of JC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    Clarkson may be the biggest black hole in the NBA. He has Kobe’s insane conference with a shot closer to Shaq. I’ve never been a fan of JC.
    If he isn't injured 90% of the time and is actually available to play, it's a step up from Exum, unfortunately.

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    I have a newfound appreciation for ‘90s-era jazz fans.

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    Clarkson's TS% is currently sitting at 58% on the season. He keeps that up, he helps the team. If he regresses to his career average of 53%, he most likely hurts the team. really that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs View Post
    I have a newfound appreciation for ‘90s-era jazz fans.
    Really? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    Clarkson's TS% is currently sitting at 58% on the season. He keeps that up, he helps the team. If he regresses to his career average of 53%, he most likely hurts the team. really that simple.
    not a promising start for JC in this respect. 4-12 and 1-6 FGs. reflected in a team low +/- of -14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    not a promising start for JC in this respect. 4-12 and 1-6 FGs. reflected in a team low +/- of -14.
    He'll be a good addition. But I mostly want to flip him for Iguodala. Maybe Memphis does that just to save 3 million?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    He'll be a good addition. But I mostly want to flip him for Iguodala. Maybe Memphis does that just to save 3 million?
    again, with him, because he's pretty much a scorer and nothing else, it's all about his efficiency in terms of whether or not he's a good addition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    1) Mitchell's ceiling is as a lead guard.
    2) it makes for one of the smallest backcourts in the league.
    bump re: conley being a poor fit for this jazz team. i can't really call it a swish because it wasn't really a prediction or even an opinion. i simply stated two facts and due to conley's injury we are seeing it play out.

    in Conley's last 7 games played the Jazz were 3-4
    in the last 7 games without Conley the Jazz are 6-1

    re: point #1 - In those last 7 games sans Conley, in that lead guard position, Donovan Mitchell is averaging 27 pts and 7 assists.
    re: point #2 - in those last 7 games without Conley, the Jazz are starting 6'7" Joe Ingles alongside Mitchell and yeah, they are 6-1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    bump re: conley being a poor fit for this jazz team. i can't really call it a swish because it wasn't really a prediction or even an opinion. i simply stated two facts and due to conley's injury we are seeing it play out.

    in Conley's last 7 games played the Jazz were 3-4
    in the last 7 games without Conley the Jazz are 6-1

    re: point #1 - In those last 7 games sans Conley, in that lead guard position, Donovan Mitchell is averaging 27 pts and 7 assists.
    re: point #2 - in those last 7 games without Conley, the Jazz are starting 6'7" Joe Ingles alongside Mitchell and yeah, they are 6-1.
    This might be a misleading set of evidence. Conley goes out just as the jazz were ending a difficult part of their schedule. So of course their record improves over the next ten games or so when the strength of team they are playing goes way down. Moreover, without Conley it is obvious that Mitchellís scoring must go up to take up the loss. In addition, Mitchell is simply playing better now than earlier in the year.

    Finally, the jazzís net rating with Conley and Mitch is much higher than without Conley.

    https://twitter.com/danclayt0n/statu...825928704?s=21

    So while your argument might turn out to
    Be correct, I donít think you can base it on this limited set of evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    bump re: conley being a poor fit for this jazz team. i can't really call it a swish because it wasn't really a prediction or even an opinion. i simply stated two facts and due to conley's injury we are seeing it play out.

    in Conley's last 7 games played the Jazz were 3-4
    in the last 7 games without Conley the Jazz are 6-1

    re: point #1 - In those last 7 games sans Conley, in that lead guard position, Donovan Mitchell is averaging 27 pts and 7 assists.
    re: point #2 - in those last 7 games without Conley, the Jazz are starting 6'7" Joe Ingles alongside Mitchell and yeah, they are 6-1.
    Iím not saying youíre wrong, but using the teamís overall record over that time is a dumb metric to use. The last 4 losses with Conley were on the road against 4 of the 6 best teams in the East. Their lone loss in the last 7 without Conley was also their only road game against a team above .500 (Miamiówho just happens to be one of the best teams in the east). So Iím not really thinking wins against the Blazers, Hornets, Hawks, Warriors, and TWolves is solid proof that the team has been markedly better during this most recent stretch.
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    Overall record wasnít the only metric I used. Donovan is also have his best stretch of the season. But they are both dumb with such a small sample.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    Overall record wasn’t the only metric I used. Donovan is also have his best stretch of the season. But they are both dumb with such a small sample.


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    It will be interesting to see it play out. Having Conley play 28 minutes a night a night has to be a good thing. The starters have carried a heavy load and I think its reflected in their poor defensive rating the last month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    It will be interesting to see it play out. Having Conley play 28 minutes a night a night has to be a good thing. The starters have carried a heavy load and I think its reflected in their poor defensive rating the last month.
    I think having some relief off the bench (instead of rehab corner) is going to pay dividends in the 4th quarter, which is generally when we s#t the bed because our game-savers are exhausted, e.g. Miami last week.
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    I haven't been able to get into this team. I'm glad to see they're winning right now, but I just haven't been able to do it. What's wrong with me?

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    I got to take my son to see the Jazz and Clippers in the Staples center last week. Great game. Clippers were just coming off their big win over the Lakers, so they were kind of flat overall this game. Jazz played pretty well and ran some great sets in the last two minutes to put the game away. Clarkson actually looked decent and wasn't the black hole that everyone is concerned about. I really like Bojan's game. Much more athletic than I thought. He had a huge jam in traffic that had everyone in the arena oohing and aahing. Donovan had a great game, especially the second half. He had a couple of really clutch contested step back threes with the clock winding down in the fourth quarter. Fun team to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
    I haven't been able to get into this team. I'm glad to see they're winning right now, but I just haven't been able to do it. What's wrong with me?
    Have you watched many games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
    I haven't been able to get into this team. I'm glad to see they're winning right now, but I just haven't been able to do it. What's wrong with me?
    Could just be life. When I was young and the jazz had just moved to Utah I lived and died with every win and loss. Then I was married and kids and career and so forth. I followed the team through it all but the immediacy and importance of their wins and losses waned in my life. As I have gotten older and my kids are themselves beginning their lives/careers, etc., I find I am getting more deeply involved in the team again, aided by the bountiful info on social media. IOW, it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    Clarkson's TS% is currently sitting at 58% on the season. He keeps that up, he helps the team. If he regresses to his career average of 53%, he most likely hurts the team. really that simple.
    Clarkson had 23 points in Donovan's absence today as the Jazz picked up a nice win at Washington. TS% with the Jazz is 57%, eFG% even more impressive 56%. Jazz haven't lost since he's come on board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    Clarkson had 23 points in Donovan's absence today as the Jazz picked up a nice win at Washington. TS% with the Jazz is 57%, eFG% even more impressive 56%. Jazz haven't lost since he's come on board.
    Clarkson has been a big and pleasant surprise to me. Better on D than I expected and more team oriented on offense than I expected. He and Mudiay, along with Bogey, filled the Mitchy gap quite well.
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    Mudiay has been the real surprise this season-- Bojan we got what we paid for (and then some maybe), but Mudiay was a big gamble that not a lot of teams would have done. He's improved vastly-- which is what he came for- and he fits in so well. He has the deadliest midrange on the team and just pitches in.


    Clarkson has had some clutch moments with this team, and has solidly contributed to this winning streak-- we woudn't be here without him. I liked Dante's potential, but that didn't do a thing for our W/L record.

    Rudy is an absolute monster this year. He's taken another step forward offensively, it seems, and when he's on the floor the team can't lose, it seems. He got taken off the floor yesterday after his 5th foul and Washington instantly started to make a run. Quinn put Rudy right back out and we closed it out- as tentatively as he was playing with his five fouls.
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    Georges Niang has really opened my eyes these past few games since we waived Jeff Green. He has a couple of solid post moves and has been nailing that three ball, too. Our bench is coming along nicely, it seems. If Conley comes back and can do some things in stride, I like where we are going leading up to the playoffs.
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    All those guys are deserving of mention. Mudiay has been as good as anybody could have hoped. Niang is now sitting at a ridiculous 65% TS - exactly what they need from him. Niang isn't really going to do much else, so in order to help the team, he HAS to be a lights out shooter. Currently at 46% from three. About 70% of his FG attempts are 3s.

    And Gobert is a badass. As good as he's been you could argue he had two seasons better than this one. If you count this year, he should be a 4 time all star. Instead we are hoping he gets his first nod and even that isn't a given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    All those guys are deserving of mention. Mudiay has been as good as anybody could have hoped. Niang is now sitting at a ridiculous 65% TS - exactly what they need from him. Niang isn't really going to do much else, so in order to help the team, he HAS to be a lights out shooter. Currently at 46% from three. About 70% of his FG attempts are 3s.

    And Gobert is a badass. As good as he's been you could argue he had two seasons better than this one. If you count this year, he should be a 4 time all star. Instead we are hoping he gets his first nod and even that isn't a given.
    MUdiay's development has been nice and even surprising. Ostensibly he came here precisely so he could develop, but he also said some things in the off season that made me wonder if he really would take coaching to heart. He is, it turns out, much more of a 'character' guy than I expected. Combine that with his superior athleticism and the jazz have a player. I am starting to wish they could keep him for a year or two more, but it looks like that will not happen.

    Niang's story reminds me of just how bad I would be as a coach. When they released Green in order to give Niang more minutes I thought they were crazy and acting from desperation. So much for my opinion.

    The guy I feel badly for is Ed Davis. I love the guy and his attitude and effort. But it is clear he is at best a third string guy on this team.
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    Georges Niang is one of my all time favorite college players!

    The shooting is just a testament to how smart and dedicated to the craft he is. He pretty much ran the point after Morris would bring it up for Iowa and every play would run through him.

    He really has a superb back to the basket game for his size, but maybe with his lack of length NBA defenders will just make him shoot over them and put a stop to that. Superb passer and confident with the ball in his hands.

    Was a big fan of Tony Bradley at NC too, cool to see he is pushing Ed Davis for minutes.

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    This has been a fun run, but the Jazz really had no choice but to make hay during this stretch. Three of the next four games are against sub .500 teams, but after that it gets gnarly. The following 14 games on the sked include games vs:

    Dallas x 2
    Houston x 3
    Denver x 2
    Boston
    Miami
    Portland x2
    San Antonio x2

    Jazz could easily lose 8-10 games during that stretch if they aren't on their game. Sure would have been nice to have Conley during this easier stretch to figure out how/where he fits in.
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    Well the Clarkson trade has really seemed to boost everyone and loving this new Bojangles wing duo!

    At least that is only 2 Eastern Conference teams, so not a crazy amount of travel time.

    Go all out before the ASG, and if you need to rest Conley for the playoff run then so be it.

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    That was a bad start to the sub .500 run!

    Nice 38 from Bojangles on only 28 shots. Clarkson seems to be keeping up his form too.

    No Holiday/Redick/Zion though so that hurts.

    Shoutout to ol Faves with 11 boards, 3 blks and 2 steals!

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    Recent success has the Jazz in a three-way tie with Denver and the Clippers for 2nd and 4 games back of first.

    Also, very enjoyable to see the Warriors in last place, even if they have no players on their team at the moment.
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