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    Coffee is good for you

    Whoops.

    Officially, the American Medical Association recommends conservatively that "moderate tea or coffee drinking likely has no negative effect on health, as long as you live an otherwise healthy lifestyle." That is a lackluster endorsement in light of so much recent glowing research. Not only have most of coffee's purported ill effects been disproven -- the most recent review fails to link it the development of hypertension -- but we have so, so much information about its benefits. We believe they extend from preventing Alzheimer's disease to protecting the liver. What we know goes beyond small-scale studies or limited observations. The past couple of years have seen findings, that, taken together, suggest that we should embrace coffee for reasons beyond the benefits of caffeine, and that we might go so far as to consider it a nutrient.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...-like/265693/#
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  • #2
    To bad it tastes terrible.
    Last edited by RC Vikings; 12-27-2012, 10:19 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
      Whoops.



      http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...-like/265693/#
      Heretic.
      "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
      "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
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      • #4
        So do Mormons have a higher incidence of Alzheimer's?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by splitbamboo View Post
          So do Mormons have a higher incidence of Alzheimer's?
          Not sure, but Utah has a very high rate of prostate cancer when we are on the low side of almost all other cancers.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • #6
            Could that be the result of low cancer rates in general? (We don't die from young cancers so we die of prostate cancer which every guy will contract if he lives long enough.)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Not sure, but Utah has a very high rate of prostate cancer when we are on the low side of almost all other cancers.
              kirkland green tea, here i come.
              Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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              • #8
                Well, it doesn't take too much thinking to conclude that the WOW has little to do with health. I think I've said here before that I could put together a much better code of health on the back of an envelope in about 30 seconds. So either: 1) God doesn't know as much about healthy living as I do, 2) There's a disconnect between the prophet and God on this subject, or 3) It's not about health. I'm guessing that most people who care about the WOW don't like 1) or 2), so 3) should be their conclusion. But they keep trying to publish Ensign articles about the health benefits of the WOW. They need to just leave it alone--call it the weird kosher-style dietary code that it is.

                I AM curious to see if the health benefits to coffee still stand up after everyone adds what they need to to make it drinkable.
                At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                • #9
                  I think it was said in another thread, but there is nothing you can do to prepare yourself for your first cup of coffee. If you only add sugar, you still have the bitter. Cream helps somewhat. But you just have to develop a taste for bitter things. It takes a few outings, and then black coffee doesn't bother you so much anymore. Still have to worry about the coffee breath though...
                  "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                  "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                  - SeattleUte

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                    Well, it doesn't take too much thinking to conclude that the WOW has little to do with health. I think I've said here before that I could put together a much better code of health on the back of an envelope in about 30 seconds. So either: 1) God doesn't know as much about healthy living as I do, 2) There's a disconnect between the prophet and God on this subject, or 3) It's not about health. I'm guessing that most people who care about the WOW don't like 1) or 2), so 3) should be their conclusion. But they keep trying to publish Ensign articles about the health benefits of the WOW. They need to just leave it alone--call it the weird kosher-style dietary code that it is.

                    I AM curious to see if the health benefits to coffee still stand up after everyone adds what they need to to make it drinkable.
                    I think the basic spirit or underlying premise is about health. At least in my interpetation which is: you have stewardship for your physical body so take care of it the best that you can so that it serves you well and you avoid as much as possible the negative effects of ill health that you can.

                    I agree with you that the specific do's and don'ts have less to do with health and more to do with perceptions/dislikes and cultural taboos.

                    However, I don't think that if one lives the WOW, even a very orthodox interpretation, that they will be harmed as a result.
                    Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                    -General George S. Patton

                    I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                      I AM curious to see if the health benefits to coffee still stand up after everyone adds what they need to to make it drinkable.
                      Half and half is a death sentence.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                        I think the basic spirit or underlying premise is about health. At least in my interpetation which is: you have stewardship for your physical body so take care of it the best that you can so that it serves you well and you avoid as much as possible the negative effects of ill health that you can.

                        I agree with you that the specific do's and don'ts have less to do with health and more to do with perceptions/dislikes and cultural taboos.

                        However, I don't think that if one lives the WOW, even a very orthodox interpretation, that they will be harmed as a result.
                        As I think about it, the tobacco ban is the only part of the WOW that makes any sense healthwise. Maybe the no hard alcohol ban, but we've morphed that into something completely different. Am I missing something?

                        I don't think there is any underlying premise about health.

                        Back of the envelope WOW that actually leads to better health: Everything in moderation, including sugar. Eat lots of fruits and vegetables. Exercise. Don't smoke or do drugs.
                        That doesn't look at all like the WOW.
                        Last edited by ERCougar; 12-27-2012, 10:38 AM.
                        At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                        -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                          I think it was said in another thread, but there is nothing you can do to prepare yourself for your first cup of coffee. If you only add sugar, you still have the bitter. Cream helps somewhat. But you just have to develop a taste for bitter things. It takes a few outings, and then black coffee doesn't bother you so much anymore. Still have to worry about the coffee breath though...
                          Honestly, do most mormons live the WOW in their youth? I am a pretty devout LDS individual and was raised by very active parents. All my brothers served missions and only one of the 5 boys is not a current temple recommend holder.

                          Saying that, I know for a fact that only one of the 5 boys did not break the WOW repeatedly in their youth. Perhaps it is different for those raised where being LDS is a prominent majority. But most of the mormon kids I knew and ran around with in HS imbibed, had coffee and probably toked a little ganja on occassion. We were not dopeheads or those struggling to be successful. Just what I think were relatively normal teenagers trying to figure out who we were. Most went onto college and post-graduate education and are doing relatively well. I find it odd that somebody's first encounter with coffee would be as an adult.
                          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                          -General George S. Patton

                          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                          -DOCTOR Wuap

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                            Saying that, I know for a fact that only one of the 5 boys did not break the WOW repeatedly in their youth. Perhaps it is different for those raised where being LDS is a prominent majority. But most of the mormon kids I knew and ran around with in HS imbibed, had coffee and probably toked a little ganja on occassion. We were not dopeheads or those struggling to be successful. Just what I think were relatively normal teenagers trying to figure out who we were. Most went onto college and post-graduate education and are doing relatively well. I find it odd that somebody's first encounter with coffee would be as an adult.
                            Further evidence that the best way to live the Gospel is "mostly", with a healthy grain of salt. Which is definitely not in the Youth Curriculum, and I'm guessing hasn't been added to the new one.
                            At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                            -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                              Back of the envelope WOW that actually leads to better health: Everything in moderation, including sugar. Exercise. Don't smoke or do drugs.
                              That doesn't look at all like the WOW.
                              I would disagree with you. I think the WOW is advice to live healthily. At least as I read it. Now as far as the specific dos and don'ts as it evolved that is something I am pretty convinced the mormon church cares about more than God, but I still maintain it is a good way to live.
                              Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                              -General George S. Patton

                              I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                              -DOCTOR Wuap

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