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HuskyFreeNorthwest
12-08-2008, 09:15 AM
I think this will be a really good game. I am also glad that BSU opted not to stay at home and play an uninterested Maryland team. Although it will probably be lightly watched and long forgotten by the time the real bowls are played this should be a battle.

I think that BSU will probably win.

Edit-It was an unintentional small b on BSU in the title, not to be viewed as any kind of statement.

Babs
12-08-2008, 09:27 AM
Edit-It was an unintentional small b on BSU in the title, not to be viewed as any kind of statement.

The software does it automatically. It won't let you use allcaps in the thread titles.

Jeff Lebowski
12-08-2008, 09:42 AM
The software does it automatically. It won't let you use allcaps in the thread titles.

Yeah, it's called the "Prevent SHOUTING" feature. Seems kind of silly for a sports-related board where we use lots of acronyms. I just turned it off. Let me know if it gets annoying and you want it back on.

mpfunk
12-08-2008, 09:44 AM
The MWC needs TCU to win this game.

PaloAltoCougar
12-08-2008, 09:50 AM
The MWC needs TCU to win this game.

It's interesting that a bunch of MWC fans will hope for a Utah loss or a BYU loss, arising from rivalry hatreds, but I suspect few, if any MWC fans will be cheering for BSU. I'd love to see the Frogs stuff the Broncos. I think the game will be close, in part because TCU's offense isn't all that high-powered, but I'd bet on TCU. Is there a line yet?

jay santos
12-08-2008, 10:01 AM
It's interesting that a bunch of MWC fans will hope for a Utah loss or a BYU loss, arising from rivalry hatreds, but I suspect few, if any MWC fans will be cheering for BSU. I'd love to see the Frogs stuff the Broncos. I think the game will be close, in part because TCU's offense isn't all that high-powered, but I'd bet on TCU. Is there a line yet?

It's not just rivalry hatred. It's rational as a BYU fan to want Utah to get waxed in this game and any other game. Utah and BYU compete in the same space for limited resources, i.e. Utah/LDS football recruits and fans. The battle we share in fighting for national respect is arguably a lesser concern.

I'm not sure how i want their game to go. In my gut I like KW and I think it will be hard to cheer against him in a BCS game.

PaloAltoCougar
12-08-2008, 10:05 AM
It's not just rivalry hatred. It's rational as a BYU fan to want Utah to get waxed in this game and any other game. Utah and BYU compete in the same space for limited resources, i.e. Utah/LDS football recruits and fans. The battle we share in fighting for national respect is arguably a lesser concern.

I'm not sure how i want their game to go. In my gut I like KW and I think it will be hard to cheer against him in a BCS game.

I'm not sure which way I'm leaning either. A Ute win makes my daughter very happy; there are many Ute fans I like so I'd be happy for them; and the MWC could use the respect. But who doesn't enjoy seeing their rival get throttled? I guess I'll find joy in either result.

BlueHair
12-08-2008, 10:07 AM
I think this is a game that TCU should win. Their defense should be able to hold BSU to 21 points, the question is whether their offense can score.

TripletDaddy
12-08-2008, 10:25 AM
This is another aspect of the rivalry that exposes the small-time nature of things.

Who the hell cheers for their rival under any circumstance?

Do Dodger fans cheer for the Giants because it would improve the strength of the NL West?

Do Red Sox and Yankees cheer for each other to increase the exposure of the American League?

For al you in the "it helps the MWC" camp, how exactly has Utah's success helped BYU this year?

Are you under the deluded impression that the MWC conference is now respected? If so, why didnt the Utes 2004 BCS run put the final nail in the disrespect coffin? Why didnt BYU's 1996 run solidify our respect level? What about our Heisman? Our National Championship?

Why do we always seek respect year in and year out?

Because the media and fans do NOT respect non-BCS conferences. Never will.

So no, I don't cheer for Utah. Or Wyoming. Or San Diego State.

BlueHair
12-08-2008, 10:34 AM
This is another aspect of the rivalry that exposes the small-time nature of things.

Who the hell cheers for their rival under any circumstance?

Do Dodger fans cheer for the Giants because it would improve the strength of the NL West?

Do Red Sox and Yankees cheer for each other to increase the exposure of the American League?

For al you in the "it helps the MWC" camp, how exactly has Utah's success helped BYU this year?

Are you under the deluded impression that the MWC conference is now respected? If so, why didnt the Utes 2004 BCS run put the final nail in the disrespect coffin? Why didnt BYU's 1996 run solidify our respect level? What about our Heisman? Our National Championship?

Why do we always seek respect year in and year out?

Because the media and fans do NOT respect non-BCS conferences. Never will.

So no, I don't cheer for Utah. Or Wyoming. Or San Diego State.


You consider Wyoming a rival? Wow! We really are small time.

BlueHair
12-08-2008, 10:38 AM
I cheer for the MWC in bowl games, unless I bet against them. Cheering for Utah is hard. I start the game cheering for Utah, but it's so unnatural that I end up hoping they lose.

TripletDaddy
12-08-2008, 10:51 AM
You consider Wyoming a rival? Wow! We really are small time.

No, but if Wyoming were having a good season (stifles laughter), some of you here would cheer for Wyoming because in some parellel universe out there, BYU is going to derive some palpable benefit.

But I agree that the MWC is small time. Look at our bowl tie-ins. That alone is pathetic.

jay santos
12-08-2008, 10:58 AM
No, but if Wyoming were having a good season (stifles laughter), some of you here would cheer for Wyoming because in some parellel universe out there, BYU is going to derive some palpable benefit.

But I agree that the MWC is small time. Look at our bowl tie-ins. That alone is pathetic.


I prefer you to use the we/us pronouns when you refer to USC and use you/your pronouns when referring to BYU. We (BYU fans) don't really give a shit that you (USC fans) think our program and conference are small time.

UteStar
12-08-2008, 11:02 AM
I cannot see Boise State winning this game. Boise State has an average defense and a real good offense. I see TCU coming in and their speed will throw off the Broncos. I see Boise State struggling all game to get things going. TCU has gone up against some very good offenses all year long and held them in check.

Of note--TCU has given up more than 15 points this year ONE time. Yes, ONE time and that was to Oklahoma (who scored 35 points, their lowest of the season). Nine opponents scored 10 points or less during the season. That is impressive.

TCU 24 Boise State 17

Surfah
12-08-2008, 11:05 AM
I want Utah to lose to Bama. And I hope they lose badly. And I hate Nick Saban. A lot.

ERCougar
12-08-2008, 11:07 AM
I want Utah to lose to Bama. And I hope they lose badly. And I hate Nick Saban. A lot.

SU's making me want to root against Utah.

TripletDaddy
12-08-2008, 11:07 AM
I prefer you to use the we/us pronouns when you refer to USC and use you/your pronouns when referring to BYU. We (BYU fans) don't really give a shit that you (USC fans) think our program and conference are small time.

Don't shoot the messenger, hermano.

It isn't like I am the only person that thinks the MWC is small-time.

Enjoy the bowl game against the 5th place PAC10 team!

RockyBalboa
12-08-2008, 11:12 AM
How it plays out:

TCU hands Boise their 1st loss by 7-10 pt margin.

Bama hands Utah their 1st loss and covers the early 11pt. line.

I still don't know what to make of the BYU/AZ game. This is the kind of game where I can easily see Anae getting outschemed again,,,,,,but I'm hoping otherwise.

Also AZ is avg 37ppg this year. More than BYU. Their offense doesn't suck like it has in the past.

TripletDaddy
12-08-2008, 11:15 AM
How it plays out:

TCU hands Boise their 1st loss by 7-10 pt margin.

Bama hands Utah their 1st loss and covers the early 11pt. line.

I still don't know what to make of the BYU/AZ game. This is the kind of game where I can easily see Anae getting outschemed again,,,,,,but I'm hoping otherwise.

Also AZ is avg 37ppg this year. More than BYU. Their offense doesn't suck like it has in the past.

I'm getting upset stomach feelings about the AZ game. Not a lot of incentive for BYU to get pumped up, lots of reasons for them to play in a lull.

Sounds like you picking Tide to win by 2 TDs or more?

YOhio
12-08-2008, 11:24 AM
So no, I don't cheer for Utah. Or Wyoming. Or San Diego State.

I like this Triple Dad much better than the Ute brown-nosing Triple Dad.

RC Vikings
12-08-2008, 11:38 AM
BSU/TCU will be a good match up. TCU is fast but BSU beat a very quick UO team. If you haven't seen BSU play this year watch their QB Moore who is a red shirt freshman and very good. Ian Johnson is still there but they have two other backs that are also good. I don't think they will have any problem scoring, the problem will come from keeping TCU from scoring about 50 points. The weakest part with BSU is their D line and the LB's. If the over/under is 100 points you may want to look at taking the over. Also Peterson does a great job preparing this team to play.

RockyBalboa
12-08-2008, 11:55 AM
Sounds like you picking Tide to win by 2 TDs or more?

If you'll pardon the pun I think the Tide rolls.

I do think early on Utah will have a punchers chance IF.....IF they can get on the board early, but I think Bama is just too dominant in the trenches and I just don't see how Utah is gonna move the ball and score on them. BJ is no Tim Tebow.

Bama's Special Teams are every bit as good as Utah's. They have one of the premier returners in the nation.

Last year Georgia was only a 9pt favorite and if I actually did bet at Vegas or wherever I would've put a ton of money on that because it was just too easy. While the Bama/Utah game isn't as big of a mismatch as that game was,,,,I still take Bama and the early line.

I think Utah's Dline...Kruger and Misi are about to get knocked on their ass. Just my opinion.

I'm also getting the same bad feeling about our bowl game that you are. I'm worried that BYU isn't going to come out and play with any incentive or emotion and end up getting rolled.

jay santos
12-08-2008, 11:58 AM
I do think early on Utah will have a punchers chance IF.....


You have a lot to learn about sports metaphors.

RockyBalboa
12-08-2008, 12:00 PM
You have a lot to learn about sports metaphors.

Hey when you've got the great Santos pontificating on sports one's ceiling for learning is limited.

Babs
12-08-2008, 12:06 PM
Yeah, it's called the "Prevent SHOUTING" feature. Seems kind of silly for a sports-related board where we use lots of acronyms. I just turned it off. Let me know if it gets annoying and you want it back on.

THANKS, JL!!!!!!!

All-American
12-08-2008, 12:07 PM
I am excited to see Alabama do things to Utah.

TCU wins in a scrappy battle. 27-21.

BYU wins by a gajillion.

Jeff Lebowski
12-08-2008, 12:31 PM
THANKS, JL!!!!!!!


That kind of shouting I can live with.

RockyBalboa
12-08-2008, 12:32 PM
BYU wins by a gajillion.

You are so gonna lose that bet.

SteelBlue
12-08-2008, 01:04 PM
It's not just rivalry hatred. It's rational as a BYU fan to want Utah to get waxed in this game and any other game. Utah and BYU compete in the same space for limited resources, i.e. Utah/LDS football recruits and fans. The battle we share in fighting for national respect is arguably a lesser concern.

I'm not sure how i want their game to go. In my gut I like KW and I think it will be hard to cheer against him in a BCS game.


I want to steal the Big East's auto bid. I think Utah winning can only help. It would be a huge win for the MWC and hopefully help all of our schools with recruiting. It would be fun to see the MWC as strong as it's been this season for the next several years.

DrumNFeather
12-08-2008, 04:46 PM
I want to steal the Big East's auto bid. I think Utah winning can only help. It would be a huge win for the MWC and hopefully help all of our schools with recruiting. It would be fun to see the MWC as strong as it's been this season for the next several years.

I think that during the "re-evaluation" period, the Big East's bid will go to the highest ranked team of a pool of conferences, Big East, MWC, WAC, CUSA, MAC. That way, they can get rid of the top 12 rule and pacify both the big and small conferences.

We also may be headed to a system based soley on rankings...but I think that will only come with a playoff, and I would get rid of the autobids. If you keep the autobids, then you've got to mandate that each conference have a championship game.