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    Would only happen if the place on the hill freezes over, but IF

    1. BYU beats OU
    2. OU goes on to have a good season ending up in the top 5
    3. BYU blast through the rest of their schedule going undefeated
    4. Utah and TCU both have great years, ending up ranked

    After last year and the Utes, could the BCS get away with not giving the Cougs a shot at the title?

    Would be interesting ...
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    Originally posted by FMCoug View Post
    1. BYU beats OU
    2. OU goes on to have a good season ending up in the top 5
    3. BYU blast through the rest of their schedule going undefeated
    4. Utah and TCU both have great years, ending up ranked

    After last year and the Utes, could the BCS get away with not giving the Cougs a shot at the title?

    Would be interesting ...
    That is a compelling argument. One that I agree with. But if Florida went 12-1, OU went 11-1, they would still find a way to shaft the non-BCS(even though BYU beat them H2H).
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    • #3
      that is a recipe for a run for the national championship.

      I expect that their computer rankings would be high, though they would probably not be #1 or #2 in the BCS, sadly .
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
        That is a compelling argument. One that I agree with. But if Florida went 12-1, OU went 11-1, they would still find a way to shaft the non-BCS(even though BYU beat them H2H).
        You can hear the talking heads now ... "with the emergence of so-and-so yada yada yada, OU is clearly a much different team now than they were at the bdginning of the season yada yada yada yada"
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        • #5
          I don't trust the BCS to ever do anything that would not be in it's own best financial interest. BYU does have some national draw, but nothing like a Florida/USC or Florida/Oklahoma or Oklahoma/USC would have.

          The BCS will always ignore the non-BCS when it comes to its fake championship game.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by FMCoug View Post
            You can hear the talking heads now ... "with the emergence of so-and-so yada yada yada, OU is clearly a much different team now than they were at the bdginning of the season yada yada yada yada"
            I can just hear Craig James now..."The Sept. Game was a fluke. It's not that their schedule was as challenging as OU's through the remainder of the year. FSU ranked 19th, TCU 14th, and Utah 25th, what a cupcake schedule for the Cougars. They don't belong on this big stage. Give them the "affirmative action" game against Pitt."
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            • #7
              The rest of your schedule will kill you in the numbers. This isn't 1984.

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              • #8
                The problem is there is a glass ceiling in the regular season rankings for teams like Utah and BYU. Undefeated BYU shot into the top 10 in 2001 and 2008; however, late in the season when big name teams have their big name games, it would be impossible for a Utah or BYU to not get leapfrogged. We all know that Utah finished last year at #2, but don't forget they were only #6 before the Sugar Bowl, and the voters leaping them over other teams afterwards was more of a statement against the system as a whole. Here, a campaign for a #2 ranking before the bowl season, rather than after it, seems very unlikely.

                Also remember that much was said about the MWC being the third strongest conference last season and owning the Pac-10, but regardless, Utah remained ranked lower than a one-loss USC until after that post-bowl "statement" vote.

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                • #9
                  What hurts BYU the most is the preseason rankings. Even if you defeat OU, OU stays top ten and ahead of BYU. And that's your biggest win of the season. There's not a whole lot to work with from there on out.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by doctorcoug View Post
                    I expect that their computer rankings would be high, though they would probably not be #1 or #2 in the BCS, sadly .
                    No, the computer rankings is what would hurt you. There's just not enough strength in the schedule. Even after defeating Alabama last year, Utah remained behind UF, USC, Oklahoma, and Texas, and barely managed to edge out the Tide in the final computer rankings.

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                    • #11
                      THat's just it Babs, suppose BYU beats OU and it vaults them to #15, and a win over FSU jumps them to #10. What happens when BYU goes through the Air Force / New Mexico / UNLV stretch, while, say, LSU goes through the "grind" of Tennessee / Arkansas / Vanderbilt? The Tigers are back baby, the Tigers are back! Let's jump them over everyone but Florida and Texas!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fiyero View Post
                        THat's just it Babs, suppose BYU beats OU and it vaults them to #15, and a win over FSU jumps them to #10. What happens when BYU goes through the Air Force / New Mexico / UNLV stretch, while, say, LSU goes through the "grind" of Tennessee / Arkansas / Vanderbilt? The Tigers are back baby, the Tigers are back! Let's jump them over everyone but Florida and Texas!
                        eggsactly. And yes, I expect LSU to be a force to contend with this year. How bout UF vs LSU for the title? lol.

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                        • #13
                          I used to think there was NO way the BCS ever let in a non-AQ team. They would find away to keep them out, no matter what the numbers say. I've since changed my mind. I think that the BCS would see BYU in that scenario as a perfect way to stop all the anti-BCS bitching once and for all. They are arrogant enough (and perhaps rightfully so) to assume that there would be no way BYU wins that game. By letting BYU play, the anti-BCS argument loses all steam. And the greatest thing about it, would be that BYU would have to thank Utah for setting everything in place for them.
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                          • #14
                            Ever since Auburn went undefeated in the SEC and was left out of the equation, I have never understood the "there is no way the BCS could leave the non-BCS school out" arguments.

                            Going undefeated in the SEC, in ANY season, is a heck of a lot more impressive than going undefeated in the MWC along with 2 really quality OOC games.
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                            • #15
                              The Missouri coach will keep you out!

                              Seriously though, I think you'd see coaches from the "big six" voting (per usual) with their conferences' best interest in mind.

                              If you can get the media behind you, you've got a shot, but anymore it seems like they are in the BCS-es back pocket as much as the coaches are.
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