Would you be fine with Independence if BYU had more bowl choices?

[UtahJazzFan88]

Question in the title obviously, would you not mind independence if BYU had more bowl choices like Notre Dame does, would independence be better? I just looked and I thought Navy/Army had more bowl choices, but they're locked into the same bowls too. I apologize if a thread like this has been posted before, but I haven't seen anything.

Here's an idea I'm proposing.

- 6-7 wins, go to Armed Forces Bowl against a C-USA #3 or Navy/Army.
- 8-9 wins, go to Las Vegas Bowl against #5 PAC-12 team.
- 10-11 wins, go to Insight Bowl (maybe Holiday Bowl, that could be a little much though) against #4 Big 12 team.
- 12-13 wins (@Hawaii for 13), BCS or BCS National Title Game (if possible).

Notre Dame is able to have 3-4 different selections at least (BCS Game, Sun Bowl, Champ Sports Bowl, and more).

[Top Ute]

Question in the title obviously, would you not mind independence if BYU had more bowl choices like Notre Dame does, would independence be better? I just looked and I thought Navy/Army had more bowl choices, but they're locked into the same bowls too. I apologize if a thread like this has been posted before, but I haven't seen anything.

Here's an idea I'm proposing.

- 6-7 wins, go to Armed Forces Bowl against a C-USA #3 or Navy/Army.
- 8-9 wins, go to Las Vegas Bowl against #5 PAC-12 team.
- 10-11 wins, go to Insight Bowl (maybe Holiday Bowl, that could be a little much though) against #4 Big 12 team.
- 12-13 wins (@Hawaii for 13), BCS or BCS National Title Game (if possible).

Notre Dame is able to have 3-4 different selections at least (BCS Game, Sun Bowl, Champ Sports Bowl, and more).

Why would a conference give up a bowl spot to a qualifying member to satisfy BYU?

[UtahJazzFan88]

Bowl Games/Conferences do it with Notre Dame as an alternate? At least more bowl choices besides being locked Armed Forces/Poinsettia/San Francisco. It's not even like the games I listed are upper tier bowl games besides maybe the Insight Bowl.

Honestly, I'd rather be in the Big East with Houston, Boise State, SMU, San Diego State, Air Force (plus other division) than having no choices of bowl games. In the Big East, you get into the BCS easier, have more bowl selection.

If what I listed or something SIMILAR to that was to be used, I would be fine with independence.

[jay santos]

I actually don't get hung up too much on the bowl situation because

a. our bowl situation has sucked for many, many years
b. I have this optimistic core belief, which probably isn't backed up by much reality, that the current bowl system is such a horrible post game format that it will eventually die out and be replaced with playoff + NIT type secondary tournament (or series of them) or at least a more equitable method of selecting bowl teams.

I'm much more concerned about our ability to schedule a good schedule that looks like schedule of comparable program in a BCS conference (like an ASU, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech, Iowa) in terms of quality of opponent, number of home games, and consistency from beginning to end of season. If we could do that one thing, I'd probably be fine with independence (forfootball--BB's a different story).

[lambdacoug]

I would be fine with independence if we could schedule teams in October/November from BCS leagues, including the PAC-12, with much more ease. I'd be fine with independence if we had an agreement with leagues that if superconferences happen, we will be in the mix. I'd love to be back in the Holiday Bowl, but that wouldn't make me feel any better about independence without the other two.

[Donuthole]

[Flystripper]

No. Independence sucks.

[Goatnapper'96]

Question in the title obviously, would you not mind independence if BYU had more bowl choices like Notre Dame does, would independence be better? I just looked and I thought Navy/Army had more bowl choices, but they're locked into the same bowls too. I apologize if a thread like this has been posted before, but I haven't seen anything.

Here's an idea I'm proposing.

- 6-7 wins, go to Armed Forces Bowl against a C-USA #3 or Navy/Army.
- 8-9 wins, go to Las Vegas Bowl against #5 PAC-12 team.
- 10-11 wins, go to Insight Bowl (maybe Holiday Bowl, that could be a little much though) against #4 Big 12 team.
- 12-13 wins (@Hawaii for 13), BCS or BCS National Title Game (if possible).

Notre Dame is able to have 3-4 different selections at least (BCS Game, Sun Bowl, Champ Sports Bowl, and more).

I think until BYU finds the ability to improve the program they are getting what they deserve. They are not a bad program and I think our fanbase is saturated with whining pussies, but it appears to me that there is little argument to refute that Mendenhall is peaked at only being "good" and that having the occasional "great" year is going to require a level of consistency against enough good opponents that it does not appear he is capable of generating.

Saying that, what I want is a much better schedule. If they can do that through Indy, so be it. However, I want the hoops situation improved so I doubt I ever would be real content with the status quo. But that might be because I am already transitioning into hoopfan mentality.

So from my perspective getting into the Big-12 is the only real feasible solution to the current shortcomings.

[Eddie]

I actually don't get hung up too much on the bowl situation because

a. our bowl situation has sucked for many, many years
b. I have this optimistic core belief, which probably isn't backed up by much reality, that the current bowl system is such a horrible post game format that it will eventually die out and be replaced with playoff + NIT type secondary tournament (or series of them) or at least a more equitable method of selecting bowl teams.

I'm much more concerned about our ability to schedule a good schedule that looks like schedule of comparable program in a BCS conference (like an ASU, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech, Iowa) in terms of quality of opponent, number of home games, and consistency from beginning to end of season. If we could do that one thing, I'd probably be fine with independence (forfootball--BB's a different story).

I'll give you an amen.

I don't care too much about bowl choices. You win them all and you're in the BCS. You don't, I'm not sure it matters too much where you play.

I don't see the conferences and bowls making huge exceptions to work BYU into a bowl picture that includes multiple options depending on record. Just seems like a lot of work for them.

Aren't ND's bowls tied into the Big East? I'm assuming that since they are a member of that conference for non-football, they have more of a working relationship. But I suppose I could be wrong. Either way, ND has more fans who spend more money and can justify the extra negotiating.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Yeah, I think Big East/ND are tied to each other to a couple bowls like the Champ Sports Bowl, but ND seems like they are able to get into the Sun Bowl and what not.

I don't know, it just really bothers me seeing a team locked into a bowl game from week 7, I know Navy and Army already do if they win their games, but I think it's better if your a Y fan to watch what bowl game they end up in based on performance. The end of the season right now means almost nothing.