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    It is time for me to make my first fearless prediction about Michael Alisa. If Michael's stays healthy for BYU, I predict he will be the first RM to rush for a 1000 yards in a season. Especially if BYU continues to hate on its fans and choose to stay independent!

    In looking at top RM rushers at BYU, I found this pantheon of greatness: Fast Freddie Whittingham and the tenacious tandem of Mark Atuai and Hema Heimuli. What we know about these 3? One has a chicks name and one has a chick for a brother (hardy-har-har). The top rushing season for any of these 3? 582 yards by Fast Freddy in 1989.

    Unless either Lakei Heimuli or Casey Tiamalu are RMs, the torch for a chance for the BYU to have a premier RM rb has been passed to Michael Alisa. The RM gives BYU some advantages, obviously in the offensive and defensive lines. For the skill players it has rarely been a boon. However, in no position on the field has this been more obvious than at RB. I know Atauia was a heavily recruited RB out of HS and so was Fui Vakapuna. Neither ever really reached their perceived potential at BYU. I don't ever remember a glimmer from Atauia so he might have been overrated. Fui, on the other hand, I thought was really hampered by the injury bug. I thought he really showed potential to be BYU's first premier RM RB the first 6 games of 2006 until he hurt himself against SDSU and never seemed to recover. Perhaps Fui is a premonition of what happens with Michael Alisa? I would think that RB is the hardest position to recover from a mission. The pounding it takes requires peak physical condition to avoid injury. Perhaps RM's are unable to get back into that condition or while working back to that level they sustain injuries in their first year or two home? Obviously, BYU is not historically a place with a heavy emphasis on rushing the ball. Until Jamal Willis, I think the years of good rushing stats were the results of shitty qb play instead of an emphasis on rushing the ball. However, systematically BYU has sought for more balance between rushing and passing since about Give Me the Ball Jamal was prowling on LES. If Alisa can avoid the debilitating injuries that RBs get and RMs seem to get more often, I really think this kid is going to be a good one. He doesn't have the power of Unga but he has a punch and has more athleticism and break away quickness. Right now he strikes more similar to a Curtis Brown type of back that can slash but still get the extra couple of yards after contact and always fall down falling forward. I don't really have a feel for how well he can catch ball out of the backfield as that is vitally important for a BYU every down back, but I think he should be all right as he appears pretty athletic in change of direction. If he can avoid injuries the rest of this year and come back next year 5-10 lbs of muscle heavier and with a better grasp of the offense, both passing and rushing, he really has a shot to be a real good one, IMO.

    Interesting find and in reality perhaps Kyle Van Noy coming to the BYU might be the reason BYU found its next premier back by accident. Without Van Noy, Alisa is likely still playing OLB. Sometimes I wonder about our coaching staff's ability to identify good RB talent. Well, in their defense they didn't lose Harvey Unga by trying to turn him into a LB. But their next best RB recruit they did try to play LB - but Michael wasn't really a premier back in HS so I can understand that decision. Either way it seems to this homer that he has found a home where he can really flourish if he can just stay healthy.
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    What about Riley going for a 1,000...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by splitbamboo View Post
      What about Riley going for a 1,000...
      I do recall IPU once comparing the inflappable Bob "The Pride of Fillmore, UT" Jensen to Fabio. Riley certainly had the flowing locks of our favorite Romance Novel model! Will a 5 yard line ever trip up Riley Nelson?
      Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
      -General George S. Patton

      I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
      -DOCTOR Wuap

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
        It is time for me to make my first fearless prediction about Michael Alisa. If Michael's stays healthy for BYU, I predict he will be the first RM to rush for a 1000 yards in a season. Especially if BYU continues to hate on its fans and choose to stay independent!

        In looking at top RM rushers at BYU, I found this pantheon of greatness: Fast Freddie Whittingham and the tenacious tandem of Mark Atuai and Hema Heimuli. What we know about these 3? One has a chicks name and one has a chick for a brother (hardy-har-har). The top rushing season for any of these 3? 582 yards by Fast Freddy in 1989.

        Unless either Lakei Heimuli or Casey Tiamalu are RMs, the torch for a chance for the BYU to have a premier RM rb has been passed to Michael Alisa. The RM gives BYU some advantages, obviously in the offensive and defensive lines. For the skill players it has rarely been a boon. However, in no position on the field has this been more obvious than at RB. I know Atauia was a heavily recruited RB out of HS and so was Fui Vakapuna. Neither ever really reached their perceived potential at BYU. I don't ever remember a glimmer from Atauia so he might have been overrated. Fui, on the other hand, I thought was really hampered by the injury bug. I thought he really showed potential to be BYU's first premier RM RB the first 6 games of 2006 until he hurt himself against SDSU and never seemed to recover. Perhaps Fui is a premonition of what happens with Michael Alisa? I would think that RB is the hardest position to recover from a mission. The pounding it takes requires peak physical condition to avoid injury. Perhaps RM's are unable to get back into that condition or while working back to that level they sustain injuries in their first year or two home? Obviously, BYU is not historically a place with a heavy emphasis on rushing the ball. Until Jamal Willis, I think the years of good rushing stats were the results of shitty qb play instead of an emphasis on rushing the ball. However, systematically BYU has sought for more balance between rushing and passing since about Give Me the Ball Jamal was prowling on LES. If Alisa can avoid the debilitating injuries that RBs get and RMs seem to get more often, I really think this kid is going to be a good one. He doesn't have the power of Unga but he has a punch and has more athleticism and break away quickness. Right now he strikes more similar to a Curtis Brown type of back that can slash but still get the extra couple of yards after contact and always fall down falling forward. I don't really have a feel for how well he can catch ball out of the backfield as that is vitally important for a BYU every down back, but I think he should be all right as he appears pretty athletic in change of direction. If he can avoid injuries the rest of this year and come back next year 5-10 lbs of muscle heavier and with a better grasp of the offense, both passing and rushing, he really has a shot to be a real good one, IMO.

        Interesting find and in reality perhaps Kyle Van Noy coming to the BYU might be the reason BYU found its next premier back by accident. Without Van Noy, Alisa is likely still playing OLB. Sometimes I wonder about our coaching staff's ability to identify good RB talent. Well, in their defense they didn't lose Harvey Unga by trying to turn him into a LB. But their next best RB recruit they did try to play LB - but Michael wasn't really a premier back in HS so I can understand that decision. Either way it seems to this homer that he has found a home where he can really flourish if he can just stay healthy.
        It might be that RM's don't make for good RB's or it might be coincidence that none of our guys that went on missions happen to be good RB's.

        Tahi and Fui are good examples. Both looked more explosive before mission than after. Maybe due to injuries due to to being out of shape from mission. What about from weight? Didn't both those guys seem to balloon about 20 lbs during/after the mission? I wonder if that weight caused them to lose a step as much as an injury?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jay santos View Post
          It might be that RM's don't make for good RB's or it might be coincidence that none of our guys that went on missions happen to be good RB's.

          Tahi and Fui are good examples. Both looked more explosive before mission than after. Maybe due to injuries due to to being out of shape from mission. What about from weight? Didn't both those guys seem to balloon about 20 lbs during/after the mission? I wonder if that weight caused them to lose a step as much as an injury?
          Tahi seemed the same to me always should have been a FB, and made a good living at it once he became one.

          Fui balooned after his injury. He came home in great shape and really looked good until he hurt his ankle against SDSU as a soph in 2006. He never recovered as a rusher and became a decent fullback in 2008.
          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
          -General George S. Patton

          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
          -DOCTOR Wuap

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          • #6
            Wasn't this guy a RM?

            ELDON FORTIE
            Nicknamed “The Phantom,” Fortie broke 21 school records and is one of only two players in BYU football history to have his number retired. Rushed for 1,149 yards, an average of 5.8 per carry, and passed for 814 yards in 1962. Holds BYU record for most rushing yards in a game (272).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
              Tahi seemed the same to me always should have been a FB, and made a good living at it once he became one.

              Fui balooned after his injury. He came home in great shape and really looked good until he hurt his ankle against SDSU as a soph in 2006. He never recovered as a rusher and became a decent fullback in 2008.
              I remember Tahi as being a really good and explosive RB in 1999 until he got injured. I believe that year all our RB's got injured, combined with Feterik's below average arm not being able to spread the defense, decimating the offense, prompting "how the hell should I know?".

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              • #8
                Not sure what to make of this guy yet. He looks good, but the holes we've been getting the last two games look completely different from the 5. Though making a guy miss here and there and running over the ocassional dude isn't really dependent on the hole, and he's been solid there.

                In terms of catching the ball, some of his earliest touches this year where catches out of the backfield and he looked pretty good.
                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                  Not sure what to make of this guy yet. He looks good, but the holes we've been getting the last two games look completely different from the 5. Though making a guy miss here and there and running over the ocassional dude isn't really dependent on the hole, and he's been solid there.

                  In terms of catching the ball, some of his earliest touches this year where catches out of the backfield and he looked pretty good.
                  I like him. I am really interested to see if he can still average 3.5-4 ypc against TCU. If he can do that, then nipples start getting hard.

                  I also don't want to see him have many more games of 20 carries in one game. Gotta handle a RM RB with a real soft touch. Next year he will be physically ready and experienced enough to carry that type of a load.
                  Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                  -General George S. Patton

                  I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                  -DOCTOR Wuap

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BemidjiCoug View Post
                    Wasn't this guy a RM?

                    ELDON FORTIE
                    Nicknamed “The Phantom,” Fortie broke 21 school records and is one of only two players in BYU football history to have his number retired. Rushed for 1,149 yards, an average of 5.8 per carry, and passed for 814 yards in 1962. Holds BYU record for most rushing yards in a game (272).
                    Nobody went on missions back then.
                    Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                    -General George S. Patton

                    I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                    -DOCTOR Wuap

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                      Nobody went on missions back then.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                        Not sure what to make of this guy yet. He looks good, but the holes we've been getting the last two games look completely different from the 5. Though making a guy miss here and there and running over the ocassional dude isn't really dependent on the hole, and he's been solid there.

                        In terms of catching the ball, some of his earliest touches this year where catches out of the backfield and he looked pretty good.
                        I think regardless of the holes one big difference is when you see him out on the edge against one guy I always expect Alisa to get past him while with JJ I always expected the opposite. Alisa is a lot like Unga on the edges where he doesn't out run them he just uses their momentum to get them to overpursue and end up having to try and arm tackle which won't work.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                          Not sure what to make of this guy yet. He looks good, but the holes we've been getting the last two games look completely different from the 5. Though making a guy miss here and there and running over the ocassional dude isn't really dependent on the hole, and he's been solid there.

                          In terms of catching the ball, some of his earliest touches this year where catches out of the backfield and he looked pretty good.
                          He was able to hit the corner pretty well against OSU, and aren't they supposed to have PAC-12 speed, or some other shit like that? *shrug*

                          I liked what I saw from Alisa on Saturday, good speed, ball security (ahem, DiLuigi), and good power up the middle. He seems to hit the holes a full speed. Something I've not seen from anyone else this year.
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                          • #14
                            my opinion is mediocre to middling.

                            I wouldn't trust anybody from BYU who looks great in the month of October.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                              my opinion is mediocre to middling.

                              I wouldn't trust anybody from BYU who looks great in the month of October.
                              Yeah. I like what he's shown, but I am not buying yet simply because of the competition.
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