Doman a Crowton protege?

[taekwondave]

It just hit me: Doman was the quarterback in Crowton's first year. That was the team that went 12-0 to start the season before losing Staley at the end of the Virginia game, after which our special teams gave up 21 pts to Hawaii in our 13th of the year and then laid an egg to finish the season off against... ah, who cares. It was fun till the Hawaii game, that I know.

I've always thought that Crowton was a genius O-coordinator, but just didn't have the cajones to put his own staff together at BYU for fear of ruffling feathers. Major backfire. But you think any of that genius rubbed off on Doman? I'd really like a Crowton-esque coordinator with about three fewer 4th down attempts per game. One thing is for sure: unlike Anae, you NEVER knew what Crowton was gonna run (Unfortunately neither did many of our own players, haha).

[CJF]

Mississippi State.

[taekwondave]

Mississippi State.

Is that where Crowton is now? He helped LSU win a NC a few years back, right?

[CJF]

Is that where Crowton is now? He helped LSU win a NC a few years back, right?

No. Staley was hurt against MSU, not UVa.

[oxcoug]

I've always thought that Crowton was a genius O-coordinator, but just didn't have the cajones to put his own staff together at BYU for fear of ruffling feathers. Major backfire.

Crowton did bring in a number of his own people, including Bronco, Todd Bradford and others.

I've always thought that Crowton was a genius O-coordinator, but just didn't have the cajones to put his own staff together at BYU for fear of ruffling feathers. Major backfire. But you think any of that genius rubbed off on Doman? I'd really like a Crowton-esque coordinator with about three fewer 4th down attempts per game. One thing is for sure: unlike Anae, you NEVER knew what Crowton was gonna run (Unfortunately neither did many of our own players, haha).

Crowton was disorganized, undisciplined and generally erratic. As a consequence he lost the respect of his players and became an ineffective leader. I guess the nicest word I could use would be "unpredictable" - but his unpredictability ultimately becomes predictable. There's a reason he doesn't last anywhere he goes for more than a few years. BYU - Oregon - LSU.

The secret of GC's explosive offense in 2001 was the decision to run the option. Doman was a master of timing, was fast enough to make teams pay, and he perfected the well timed pitch that got Staley the corner. But even the Doman-Staley option was something that Reynolds started experimenting with the year before GC came.

[shoganai]

I've always thought that Crowton was a genius O-coordinator, but just didn't have the cajones to put his own staff together at BYU for fear of ruffling feathers. Major backfire. But you think any of that genius rubbed off on Doman? I'd really like a Crowton-esque coordinator with about three fewer 4th down attempts per game. One thing is for sure: unlike Anae, you NEVER knew what Crowton was gonna run (Unfortunately neither did many of our own players, haha).

I've had this conversation with people before. Anae and Crowton represent two very different styles, but the ideal BYU offensive coordinator might be some kind of hybrid.

Take the patience and structure of the former, and mix it with some of the scheming and ocassional wreckless abandon of the latter, and you could have a heck of an offense.

I have high hopes for Doman, but you have to remember LaVell's old joke:

Everybody knows the best coach at BYU is the OC-in-waiting, and the best player is the backup QB.

[kccougar]

I've had this conversation with people before. Anae and Crowton represent two very different styles, but the ideal BYU offensive coordinator might be some kind of hybrid.

Take the patience and structure of the former, and mix it with some of the scheming and ocassional wreckless abandon of the latter, and you could have a heck of an offense.

I have high hopes for Doman, but you have to remember LaVell's old joke:

Everybody knows the best coach at BYU is the OC-in-waiting, and the best player is the backup QB.

My concern is that I don't think either "patience" when I think of Brandon Doman.

[jay santos]

The secret of GC's explosive offense in 2001 was the decision to run the option. Doman was a master of timing, was fast enough to make teams pay, and he perfected the well timed pitch that got Staley the corner. But even the Doman-Staley option was something that Reynolds started experimenting with the year before GC came.

2001 we had a senior laden offense with NFL talent at QB, RB, WR, TE, and OL. Pretty much can't go wrong there.

I still don't know what to think about Crowton as an offensive coordinator. I think his results have been mixed at LSU. I think he's probably a good offensive coordinator and not a good head coach. But his fault at offensive coordinator is constantly tinkering and trying to be too smart. Take a system that works and modify it slightly from year to year based on your personnel. Crowton is all over the map. pro set, option, west coast, run and shoot, pistol

[BigPiney]

Crowton did bring in a number of his own people, including Bronco, Todd Bradford and others.



Crowton was disorganized, undisciplined and generally erratic. As a consequence he lost the respect of his players and became an ineffective leader. I guess the nicest word I could use would be "unpredictable" - but his unpredictability ultimately becomes predictable. There's a reason he doesn't last anywhere he goes for more than a few years. BYU - Oregon - LSU.

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And now Maryland.

[jay santos]

I've had this conversation with people before. Anae and Crowton represent two very different styles, but the ideal BYU offensive coordinator might be some kind of hybrid.

Take the patience and structure of the former, and mix it with some of the scheming and ocassional wreckless abandon of the latter, and you could have a heck of an offense.

I have high hopes for Doman, but you have to remember LaVell's old joke:

Everybody knows the best coach at BYU is the OC-in-waiting, and the best player is the backup QB.

I was pretty damn satisfied with Anae. I hope Doman is just like him, with maybe a little player friendly approach, better recruiter, and better manager of assistants.

I think Anae already was a good hybrid of Chow and Leach. I'm not sure we need to bring Crowton into the mix.

[Sizzle]

While Doman was the QB for Crowton's first year, he was also the QB of the 2000 (for at least part of the season) that was coordinated by (I believe, mission) Lance Reynolds and shared more similarities with the traditional BYU offense. He also was on the 49ers roster while Steve Marriuci was the HC running a traditional WC offense. He also ran the option at Skyline High.

Anae was effective, but also benefited from having a more consistent program in terms of talent than Crowton did. (Not making excuses for Crowton, a lot of the talent issues due to attrition were from guys he recruited washing out due to HC issues).

IMO, I think depending on where BYU wants to go/what they want to accomplish depends on what needs to be expected out of Doman. With a schedule like BYU plays this year, BYU could run an Anae style offense, focusing more on execution and would be fine to continue to win 8-10 games a season, most likely losing to teams that are more talented, but able to beat the teams that they are better than by focusing on superior execution. If BYU wants to take it to the next level (which it sounds like they do) IMO they need to really develop a schematic advantage and not rely only on out executing opponents. BYU was able to be a good to very good team by primarily focusing on executing what they do well, but in most cases when they played against teams that were comparable in talent or better, they lost (Oklahoma 2009 is an exception IMO). You look at a team like Boise, and, IMO, they are able to play with and beat the bigger boys because they have a superior game plan. Offensively their scheme takes advantages of their opponents better than any other team in the country and puts them in a position to win. I think Peterson is a phenomenal coach and one of if not the best game planners in the country. I don't know that Doman will need to get to that level, but I don't know that Anae's strength was building innovative game plans so hopefully he can take the next step and BYU can do a better job competing in those high level games.

I think you sacrifice a lot of execution and are prone to more mistakes when you go that route, and I'm not sold that it is what best fits BYU's traditional talent pool, but I also don't think that you will consistently beat the top teams in the country and be able to get to a BCS game by just out executing them. You need to be a little bit smarter schematically than they are.

I know this is overly simplistic view and probably a bit more perception and not totally seeded in reality, and I am interested in seeing the steps that Doman takes to move the offense forward. I think there will likely be a few growing pains. Thankfully, by the time our core group is upper classmen, we should have those growing pains resolved, and should be ready to compete at a very high level with most teams across the country.

[taekwondave]

I think you sacrifice a lot of execution and are prone to more mistakes when you go that route, and I'm not sold that it is what best fits BYU's traditional talent pool, but I also don't think that you will consistently beat the top teams in the country and be able to get to a BCS game by just out executing them. You need to be a little bit smarter schematically than they are.

This is what I'm hoping from Doman. I've enjoyed the results overall the last few years with Anae, but I have just been in awe of Boise State's success with Peterson at the head. It's just insane how well they have game planned. They always seem to pick the perfect time for a trick play and they always seem to have a chance. If Doman can approach that even a little bit, we'll be in good shape.

[taekwondave]

No. Staley was hurt against MSU, not UVa.

Ah. That's right. Don't know how I mixed that up.

[il Padrino Ute]

The Genius. An apt description, especially when it was his idea to fly into wherever it was that BYU played on game day. And when he wanted to win by 9, not 2. I'm sure there are more, but those 2 really stand out.

I don't think geniuses get worse over time. All make mistakes, but a real genius learns from the mistakes and gets better at what he does.

[San Juan Sun]

I have liked Anae's consistency, power run game, and high % passing game.

But I miss having the QB under center, post routes, fly routes, play-action that actually looks like play-action, and a split backfield. I miss the BYU circa 1990 offense. If Doman combines these elements (which he's publicly said he's going to do for some of what I listed) with Anae's calculating passing attack and run game, then I'll be a happy man.

Provided we win of course.