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Good hell - I mean what is going on that this is some kind of revelation for Omer and crew? That it took us to 2011 to realize we didn't want O linemen w/ huge guts hanging over their belts? Or to realize that McKay Jacobsen shouldn't have the same training regimen as Terrence Brown?
That blows my mind and doesn't do wonders for my confidence in the program's leadership.Ute-ī sunt fīmī differtī
It can't all be wedding cake.
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I´m glad taekwondave is back. As to Omer, his daughter Nissa married a good friend of mine from high school. That´s not relevant to this thread, but I felt like name dropping."Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied
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When I saw Charles Abuou doing a lot of passive stretching before games, it made me wonder how scientific teams are about conditioning and things like stretching.
I think there is a lot of tradition and pseudoscience out there with strength and conditioning and a lot of coaches and players probably waste time or do things that actually are counterproductive. Makes me think of this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sp...in&oref=slogin
Researchers now believe that some of the more entrenched elements of many athletes’ warm-up regimens are not only a waste of time but actually bad for you. The old presumption that holding a stretch for 20 to 30 seconds — known as static stretching — primes muscles for a workout is dead wrong. It actually weakens them. In a recent study conducted at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, athletes generated less force from their leg muscles after static stretching than they did after not stretching at all. Other studies have found that this stretching decreases muscle strength by as much as 30 percent. Also, stretching one leg’s muscles can reduce strength in the other leg as well, probably because the central nervous system rebels against the movements.
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Originally posted by CardiacCoug View PostWhen I saw Charles Abuou doing a lot of passive stretching before games, it made me wonder how scientific teams are about conditioning and things like stretching.
I think there is a lot of tradition and pseudoscience out there with strength and conditioning and a lot of coaches and players probably waste time or do things that actually are counterproductive. Makes me think of this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sp...in&oref=sloginTe Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by camleish View Postthe football team does not do traditional stretching before practice. their reason for not doing so is in agreement with the nyt article.
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Originally posted by CardiacCoug View PostI seem to recall seeing the football team out on the field before games doing static stretching, too. Maybe if you don't hold the stretches very long it's not as bad for your strength -- seems from the article that holding a stretch for more than around 20 seconds is bad. I have to say that from what I know of the physiology of muscles (like the heart) it makes a lot of sense that prolonged static stretching would be detrimental to muscle strength.Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
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Originally posted by pellegrino View Postso then how do you increase flexibility without decreasing muscle strength? It seems to me that in order to increase flexibility (a good thing for many sports) you would have to have some level of static stretching.
We've actually known this for a long time. And yet, there are plenty of athletes, even pro ones, out doing stretches before workouts or games. Habits are tough to break,i guess.At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
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Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostIn this instance, does "strength" refer to the likelihood of cramps or pulled muscles?
Use a dynamic warmup instead.Last edited by pelagius; 05-29-2011, 03:28 PM.
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Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostIn this instance, does "strength" refer to the likelihood of cramps or pulled muscles?
I didn't think stretching before games for athletes was related to strength as much as flexibility. Or are they the same thing?
So warming the muscles up before you go all out in a competition probably prevents injury (pulled muscles, cramps, etc.), but passive stretching before a game just makes you weaker.
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The fact that they are just now getting to this is disturbing. This knkowledge has been at BYU since the 80s but is only now getting to the football team. I find that disturbing.
Instead of stretching at the beginning of a workout: Get the blood flowing, slowly work through range of motion exercises, train, then stretch.
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Originally posted by KillerDog View PostThe fact that they are just now getting to this is disturbing. This knkowledge has been at BYU since the 80s but is only now getting to the football team. I find that disturbing.
Instead of stretching at the beginning of a workout: Get the blood flowing, slowly work through range of motion exercises, train, then stretch.Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks
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A lot of football teams have ditched stretching. I've read some articles that state that it's better to do a gradual warm-up (start off slowly, then slowly build up to full speed) than stretching. I am the furthest thing from a scientist so I have no idea how to verify the validity of the claims, but the idea that stretching is not good seems to be gathering a lot of momentum in the scientific and athletic communities.
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