The BCS has now ruined college basketball...

[il Padrino Ute]

4 non-BCS teams receive at-large bids. And what - 30 at large bids to BCS teams? Based on the trend, look for less than 4 non-BCS bids next year.

What complete bullshit.

[LA Ute]

4 non-BCS teams receive at-large bids. And what - 30 at large bids to BCS teams? Based on the trend, look for less than 4 non-BCS bids next year.

What complete bullshit.

I suspect you are referring not to the BCS, but to the "Big 6" conferences that ESPN has anointed as such.

[il Padrino Ute]

I suspect you are referring not to the BCS, but to the "Big 6" conferences that ESPN has anointed as such.

Is there a difference between the BCS conferences and the Big 6 conferences?

[Surfah]

This has been the talk of sports radio all night. Everyone saying how the BCS is ruining all other college sports.

[SeattleUte]

4 non-BCS teams receive at-large bids. And what - 30 at large bids to BCS teams? Based on the trend, look for less than 4 non-BCS bids next year.

What complete bullshit.

Who cares. Utah is virtual BCS. Our no. 5 seed today establishes that we are one of the elect.

[Babs]

4 non-BCS teams receive at-large bids. And what - 30 at large bids to BCS teams? Based on the trend, look for less than 4 non-BCS bids next year.

What complete bullshit.

Let me get this straight. You're complaining that the midmajors "only" make up 48% of the pool?

[il Padrino Ute]

Let me get this straight. You're complaining that the midmajors "only" make up 48% of the pool?

No, I'm saying that 88% of the teams that got invited which didn't win their conference tournament are from BCS conferences.

[il Padrino Ute]

Who cares. Utah is virtual BCS. Our no. 5 seed today establishes that we are one of the elect.

If you're a true fan of Ute basketball, you should care.

There has been a steady decline of non-BCS conference teams that are not getting at-large bids. The idiots that make up the committee like to say the reason more BCS conference teams get in is because they have more success in the tournament.

Well, when only 4 at large bids are given to non-BCS teams the odds of having success in the tournament for the non-BCS conferences decreases. Next year, the committee could point out how the non-BCS teams are not doing well and justify even less at-large bids.

[Babs]

No, I'm saying that 88% of the teams that got invited which didn't win their conference tournament are from BCS conferences.

Interesting.

I picked a random pre-BCS year (1992) just for kicks and giggles, and looked up the bracket. That year 31 of the 64 teams were what we would now call non-BCS teams. This year? 31.

I didn't look up any other years, but I'm curious why there's a sense that mid-majors are less represented now than they were pre-BCS.

[il Padrino Ute]

Interesting.

I picked a random pre-BCS year (1992) just for kicks and giggles, and looked up the bracket. That year 31 of the 64 teams were what we would now call non-BCS teams. This year? 31.

I didn't look up any other years, but I'm curious why there's a sense that mid-majors are less represented now than they were pre-BCS.

My point is that there is a double standard when it comes to inviting at-large teams. The NCAA loves to point to RPI as a factor when making invites, yet when it comes down to it, RPI is ignored and the committee favors the BCS conferences.

LA Ute provided this link - http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...story/11506504 - that shows that the bubble teams that have gotten hosed over the last 5 years have all been teams from non-BCS conferences.

The NCAA reasons that bubble teams from BCS conferences have a better overall "body of work" than the non-BCS teams do, but what it ignores is that the BCS teams are too big of pussies to travel to non-BCS teams to play games if they have the balls to play the non-BCS teams in the first place.

Does that sound familiar? It's just like football.

[cougjunkie]

Who cares. Utah is virtual BCS. Our no. 5 seed today establishes that we are one of the elect.

Your 5 seed with an RPI of 9 actually says that you are not respected and you are no where close to a BCS school, the fact that all the experts have picked Arizona (the last team in) and Vegas has it as a pickem also says you are not respected.

[Coach McGuirk]

Interesting.

I picked a random pre-BCS year (1992) just for kicks and giggles, and looked up the bracket. That year 31 of the 64 teams were what we would now call non-BCS teams. This year? 31.

I didn't look up any other years, but I'm curious why there's a sense that mid-majors are less represented now than they were pre-BCS.

sounds like they are holding to a percentage, like no way in hell will NBCS teams make up 50% of the field, instead of looking at the credentials without bias. With the NBCS conferences making up well over 50% of the D1 basketball teams, you would think this would happen some years.

[jay santos]

Interesting.

I picked a random pre-BCS year (1992) just for kicks and giggles, and looked up the bracket. That year 31 of the 64 teams were what we would now call non-BCS teams. This year? 31.

I didn't look up any other years, but I'm curious why there's a sense that mid-majors are less represented now than they were pre-BCS.

If I'm not mistaken, there are a lot more conferences now than back then. So there may be just as many more "non-automatic qualifying conference teams" (if you're posting on a "non-automatic qualifying conference team's" message board we'd like you to use the preferred term), but the argument is really over the share of the at-larges.

There are now 34 at-large berths. This year it went down 30 AQ vs 4 non-AQ. Two years ago non-AQ got 12 at large bids. Something is up.

Worst 5 AQ teams that made NCAA vs best 5 non AQ teams in the RPI (note RPI is an SOS heavy metric that is inherently biased for AQ and against non-AQ compared to more accurate computer polls)

AQ
Arizona 62
Boston College 59 (7 seed?)
Maryland 55
Wisconsin 45
Michigan 44


non AQ
SDSU 34
Creighton 40
UAB 46
St Mary's 47
Illinois St 48


This is my favorite statement. We don't just look at RPI, we look at the "body of work". Thanks idiots. If you didn't know, RPI (and other computer polls even better) already factor in the body of work better than any human could possibly do.

[SeattleUte]

Your 5 seed with an RPI of 9 actually says that you are not respected and you are no where close to a BCS school, the fact that all the experts have picked Arizona (the last team in) and Vegas has it as a pickem also says you are not respected.

We all know Utah isn't 5 seed good. Utah's 5 seed is total high school election stuff. But it's cool to have that going for you. I've seen Arizona play live this year and I can see why the experts pick Arizona. They have a big guy who's total NBA material, and several othre studs. Arizona is like Georgetown this year, loaded with talent and underachieving in a tough environment.

BYU, on the other hand, is like Utah State; outside the cliques that count. BYU has no cool points.

[cougjunkie]

sounds like they are holding to a percentage, like no way in hell will NBCS teams make up 50% of the field, instead of looking at the credentials without bias. With the NBCS conferences making up well over 50% of the D1 basketball teams, you would think this would happen some years.

Look at the percentage of teams from each conference to get in:

Big Ten: 63.6%
ACC: 58.5%
Big East: 43.7%
Big 12: 42.8%
SEC: 25%
PAC-10: 40%

Now some non-bcs teams:
MWC: 22.2%
A-10: 20%
WAC: 11.1%
MVC: 10%
Conference USA: 8.3%