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    It seems like we have a 50/50 split on this board about those who think Heaps is not getting any help and those who think he is just plain not very good right now. I went back through the whole Utah State game looking at every single play, first of all the last 1/3rd of that game was a completely different gameplan than the first 2/3rds. It was more wide open much better play calling and they let Jake go to see what he could do. It was not typical Anae that is for sure.

    With that being said Jakes official final stats were:

    27-55 270 yards, 0 tds and 2 ints.

    After adding it up there were 14 "drops" in the game. I am defining a drop by a ball that was catchable by a D-1 receiver without doing something extraordinary that was not caught. Pretty simple. I am not expecting Hoffman to go up and make a one handed grab above his head or anything like that. These are throws on target that were dropped. (The yardages posted are how far down the field the receivers were, this is also with no YAC)

    1. JJ Dilugi 5 yard flare pass off his hands.

    2. Cody Hoffman 15 yard slant that Jake threw facemask high right off his hands.

    3. Hoffman a 17 yard hitch route where he gets away with a push and then completely whiffs on the football.

    4. Ashworthless 4 yard drag over the middle right off his hands.

    5. Marcus Matthews on 3rd down runs an out right in the endzone as Jake rolls right, the defender did look to get a piece of this however it still went right through Matthews hands, catchable ball. (7 yard pass)

    6. Luke Ashworth 31 yard streak down the sideline, was interfered, flag picked up. Ball hit him square in the hands would have been a td.

    7. Two plays after Ashworth, JJ 31 yards down the sideline beats the linebacker and Jake makes the best throw of his young career so far, right of JJs hands.

    8. Hoffman 3 yard quick slant, penalty was called for holding however the hold came before the pass was thrown, this ball hit him square in his hands should have been an easy TD. (even fooled the referee that he dropped it)

    9. Mckay Jacobsen finally gets a bit of separation on a streak down the sidelines, Jake drops it right over the defenders outstretched arms and right through Mckays. Watching live I thought this was a bad pass but it was on the money and a very catchable ball, would have been a 45 yard gain.

    10. Bryan Kariya runs the option route over the middle and his hit square in the chest by the pass. Would have been good for 5 yards and a first down on 3rd and 4.

    11. Marcus Matthews 11 yard dig route over the middle right off his hands.

    12. BJ peterson works back to Jake as Jake rolls to his right and throws a strike on the run, right off BJs hands. 8 yard pass.

    13. Luke Ashworthless once again runs a quick hitch on 3rd and short, Jake fires a strike right off Ashworths evangelical fingers. (5 yard pass)

    14. Mckay Jacobsen, this one is iffy but I watched it about 5 times in slo-mo. He actually caught hte ball it was a 20 yard streak down the sideline in to the endzone. Jake threw the ball on the money and with no awareness whatsoever Mckay does not get at least one foot in bounds. This was a good throw to the right spot and there is no excuse for Mckay to not complete the play.

    That is 14 drops for a total of 207 yards with no YAC and 4 drops that could have resulted in touchdowns. 2 of them were on the same drive and one of the possessions we still scored on. 5 of these drops came on third down that would have kept drives alive.

    I do not expect the receivers to catch all of these balls so lets say they only drop 7 balls in this game. That gives Jake another 100 yards passing and most likely a TD. Putting his final numbers at 34-55 for 370 yards 1td and 2int. Which raises his PER to 117.25. Not a world beater by any means but a big improvement. If they catch everything he goes 41-55 for 477 yards 3tds and 2 ints which puts him at 158.12.

    I know this goes both ways there were at least 3 other balls that could have been intercepted that weren't but I have a lot of optimism that if they can fix the dropsies even without much improvement from Jake we will become much more competetive and efficient on offense.
    Last edited by cougjunkie; 10-04-2010, 10:03 PM.
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    Jake fires a strike right off Ashworths evangelical fingers.
    lol
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    • #3
      Yeah, the receivers pretty much suck. Not only do they not catch balls they should routinely come up with, but I haven't seen one play all year where I thought, "wow, that was a great catch!"

      We've been spoiled the last few years with a great receiver and some great TE's.
      So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
        Yeah, the receivers pretty much suck. Not only do they not catch balls they should routinely come up with, but I haven't seen one play all year where I thought, "wow, that was a great catch!"

        We've been spoiled the last few years with a great receiver and some great TE's.
        Sadly this was just one game, that is half a seasons worth of drops in one game.

        Washington, Florida State, AFA and Nevada had to all be similar.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
          Sadly this was just one game, that is half a seasons worth of drops in one game.

          Washington, Florida State, AFA and Nevada had to all be similar.
          I agree with you CJ. It's like their wearing boxing gloves.
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          • #6
            Great post, CJ. Jake is actually doing ok. Not great, but he's doing about what we should expect given this staff's history with young QBs.

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            • #7
              All of this and also the fact that the receivers almost never seem to have separation. And lets not even talk about YAC. Aside from JJ and the tight ends there are as close to zero as you could get at this level. The lack of yac does severe damage to Heaps qb rating.

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              • #8
                When ESPN's highlight package of the game consists mostly of dropped balls by BYU, you have a problem.

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                • #9
                  Great post. Now can you watch the Utah State game again and count the number of missed tackles by BYU?

                  Note that BYU has not had over 100 yards rushing since the AF game.

                  Against USU: 65 Yards, 25 attempts, 2.6 Yrds/rush

                  Against Nevada: 91 Yards, 25 attempts, 3.6 Yrds/rush

                  Against FSU: 76 Yards, 35 attempts, 2.2 Yrds/rush (Nelson played in the first half only.)

                  Because of the lack of a running threat the defense playing against BYU can drop an extra man back on coverage or send him blitzing.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
                    All of this and also the fact that the receivers almost never seem to have separation. And lets not even talk about YAC. Aside from JJ and the tight ends there are as close to zero as you could get at this level. The lack of yac does severe damage to Heaps qb rating.
                    I think this is also overlooked. The fact that the receivers are doing an absolutely horrible job of creating space on their routes means even tougher throws for Heaps to make. It's putting extra pressure on a freshman QB. He's got to have help and he isn't getting any from his WRs in the form of drops, getting open, etc.

                    Now, before anybody accuses me of being a Heaps apologist and saying he is infallible, he's missed reads and made bad throws too. He hasn't been perfect and has room to grow. But CJ is absolutely right in that our receivers have been horrible this season and have not given him any help at all and that a marginal improvement in our receiver play should help out Heaps. Not to mention how terrible our rushing game has been.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ted Nugent View Post
                      Great post. Now can you watch the Utah State game again and count the number of missed tackles by BYU?

                      Note that BYU has not had over 100 yards rushing since the AF game.

                      Against USU: 65 Yards, 25 attempts, 2.6 Yrds/rush

                      Against Nevada: 91 Yards, 25 attempts, 3.6 Yrds/rush

                      Against FSU: 76 Yards, 35 attempts, 2.2 Yrds/rush (Nelson played in the first half only.)

                      Because of the lack of a running threat the defense playing against BYU can drop an extra man back on coverage or send him blitzing.
                      FSU is misleading because Heaps had negative 61 yards "rushing". Less Heaps, BYU had 29 attempts for 137 yards, which is pretty effective. However when you give up 300 yards rushing and FSU has the ball for 37 minutes and you get down a couple scores, it's hard to continue to be patient on offense.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
                        All of this and also the fact that the receivers almost never seem to have separation. And lets not even talk about YAC. Aside from JJ and the tight ends there are as close to zero as you could get at this level. The lack of yac does severe damage to Heaps qb rating.
                        Yeah that is definitely a factor.
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                        • #13
                          I don't dismiss the drops. He definitely would be doing better with better receiver play. I don't know how many drops a game is typical with a decent WR group. Bottom line for me is even with the drops I don't see good QB play out there.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                            I don't dismiss the drops. He definitely would be doing better with better receiver play. I don't know how many drops a game is typical with a decent WR group. Bottom line for me is even with the drops I don't see good QB play out there.
                            Yes, Jay, we know you don't see it. And yet it seems that he would have a perfectly average PER if he had any decent receivers. How do you reconcile this? Are your expectations that he be better than average? Maybe we should all expect that, but as I've noted, this staff doesn't know how to handle young QBs, so they always do much worse their first year than they should.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by woot View Post
                              Yes, Jay, we know you don't see it. And yet it seems that he would have a perfectly average PER if he had any decent receivers. How do you reconcile this? Are your expectations that he be better than average? Maybe we should all expect that, but as I've noted, this staff doesn't know how to handle young QBs, so they always do much worse their first year than they should.
                              I disagree he would have an average PER with decent receivers. Certainly improved. By how much? He's at 89 right now. Change 10 of his drops to catches at 10 yards per catch with 2 more TD's. That puts him at 104 for the season. He's had INT's dropped. A lot of his "drops" are when he's firing low or behind the receiver at high velocity. Again, I agree his receivers have hurt him, just not to the level that would change his play from very poor to average.

                              I mentioned my expectation for Heaps earlier which was about average PER or about 130. That might have been too high of an expectation. I'm not condemning him. I'm only saying his play doesn't give me expectation of near term improvement to that 130 level or long term expectation for greatness.

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