Heaps = Beck?

[jay santos]

Fr awful
So pretty bad
Jr decent but below avg for BYU
Sr really good

Can anyone give mw warm fuzzies that this will not be the case? And please don't use practice reps as excuse.

[CardiacCoug]

Heaps is much more confident than Beck -- even cocky at times. I think that's a promising sign but only time will tell.

[ERCougar]

Fr awful
So pretty bad
Jr decent but below avg for BYU
Sr really good

Can anyone give mw warm fuzzies that this will not be the case? And please don't use practice reps as excuse.

Right now, i think he looks just like beck. Time will tell if he follows the same curve.

You keep throwing out this practice rep thing and i don't get why. He has longer stretches each week where he looks comfortable and in rhythm. Do you disagree? Maybe that's a difference in defense quality,but i think at least some can be attributed to practice.

My worry with him though is that he's more of a beck type than a doman or a hall, if that makes sense. More of a fundamental type player than a gamer.

[smokymountainrain]

Fr awful
So pretty bad
Jr decent but below avg for BYU
Sr really good

Can anyone give mw warm fuzzies that this will not be the case? And please don't use practice reps as excuse.

I really hope this isn't the case. That's not a lot different than the Feterik curve. Beck, fortunately, was excellent as a senior - as opposed to Feterik, but if Heaps doesn't become a good BYU QB until his senior season, he's a bust.

[SeattleUte]

Your all's expectations of Heaps have been WAAAYYYY unreasonable. Of course, Heaps and his parents are partially to blame for this.

I think the closer analogy is Britton Johnson, absent the ghastly self-promotion and potential limiting mission.

This was all very predictable. Guess what, EVERY YEAR there is a top rated pro style passer coming out of college. And ALMOST EVERY YEAR they make no impact as freashmen. Many of them never live up to their promise.

[cougjunkie]

I really hope this isn't the case. That's not a lot different than the Feterik curve. Beck, fortunately, was excellent as a senior - as opposed to Feterik, but if Heaps doesn't become a good BYU QB until his senior season, he's a bust.

Heaps is going to get better and better this season, he was not bad yesterday. In fact he made some great throws the one down the sideline to Ashworth was on the money. The throw on the final drive to Hoffman between the corner and the safety was an NFL caliber throw.

Yes he missed a few deep balls and could not throw a fade in bounds to save his life but he will start hitting on those. In fact I say we hit at least 2 deep balls against Utah State for big plays.

[Goatnapper'96]

Fr awful
So pretty bad
Jr decent but below avg for BYU
Sr really good

Can anyone give mw warm fuzzies that this will not be the case? And please don't use practice reps as excuse.

He will have a better supporting cast as a sophmore and a junior. He won't be learning a new system every year until his senior year. He won't go through huge coaching changes every year until his senior year. He won't cry on the radio. Beck showed his biggest improvement between Jr and Sr year, I expect Heaps to show his from freshman to sophmore.

[Sizzle]

Fr awful
So pretty bad
Jr decent but below avg for BYU
Sr really good

Can anyone give mw warm fuzzies that this will not be the case? And please don't use practice reps as excuse.

I think Heaps is able to shrug off mistakes better than Beck was able to early on. Beck though became lights out as a Senior. I think Heaps will get to that point quicker than Beck did, in part because I don't see huge changes on the coaching staff during Heaps tenure (consistency is huge) and I think mentally Heaps is more apt than Beck was.

[Goatnapper'96]

Fr awful
So pretty bad
Jr decent but below avg for BYU
Sr really good

Can anyone give mw warm fuzzies that this will not be the case? And please don't use practice reps as excuse.

Abstract thought, apply faith. Not that God cares about BYU football but similar to religious faith, just believing brings more comfort and peace than disbelieving, at least to people raised like you and I.

Just believe that he will and it will make this season much more tolerable.

[Goatnapper'96]

Many of them never live up to their promise.

Heaps will. Barring injuries, of course.

[jay santos]

Right now, i think he looks just like beck. Time will tell if he follows the same curve.

You keep throwing out this practice rep thing and i don't get why. He has longer stretches each week where he looks comfortable and in rhythm. Do you disagree? Maybe that's a difference in defense quality,but i think at least some can be attributed to practice.

My worry with him though is that he's more of a beck type than a doman or a hall, if that makes sense. More of a fundamental type player than a gamer.

I don't think Heaps looks any better now vs beginning of season. If you're not ready you're not ready. A couple games won't get you there. And I don't think a few extra practice reps against a defense you know and that isn't allowed to hit you would have made much of a difference. I wish we could have a QB ready so he could redshirt and back a guy up for a year and start as redshirt soph.

[jay santos]

Heaps is going to get better and better this season, he was not bad yesterday. In fact he made some great throws the one down the sideline to Ashworth was on the money. The throw on the final drive to Hoffman between the corner and the safety was an NFL caliber throw.

Yes he missed a few deep balls and could not throw a fade in bounds to save his life but he will start hitting on those. In fact I say we hit at least 2 deep balls against Utah State for big plays.

13 points at home against a shitty defense. 103 (might be wrong on that I calculated on my phone) pass rating against a bend but don't break. This is worse than bad. I really am not ripping on him. This should be expected. I see a lot of kool aid drinkers with Heaps. Id like some of it myself I just don't see it.

[Sizzle]

13 points at home against a shitty defense. 103 (might be wrong on that I calculated on my phone) pass rating against a bend but don't break. This is worse than bad. I really am not ripping on him. This should be expected. I see a lot of kool aid drinkers with Heaps. Id like some of it myself I just don't see it.

Heaps deserves some of the blame. He's young. But one point that absolutely cannot be debated is that his receivers sure aren't doing much of anything to help him. I'm looking right at you Spencer Hafoka, and you're not far behind Luke Ashworth/McKay Jackobsen.

[U-Ute]

He needs a tight end.

Didn't Beck improve when Harline came along?

[PolyCougar]

He needs a tight end.

Didn't Beck improve when Harline came along?

THANK YOU!!! I loved Beck... the ultimate nice guy at BYU. But Beck got it going when Dan Coates and Jonny Harline jumped up to speed, and Max Hall never played a game without Pitta or Andrew George (his awful Utah game with 800 picks was with an injured Pitta). This Offense needs Tight Ends, and these top recruits are non-existent, when our walk-ons (Harline and Pitta) used to carry the load, and I'm not just talking about receptions... but they blocked decently too (Coates and George were solid blockers). Even Meikle (walk-on) was a huge release in the middle of the field for Beck, which I was hoping JJ would jump into that role and let Quezada be the man at HB (can't go wrong with Poly's in the backfield... he's half Samoan).

I see the comparisons to Beck right now (Beck overthrew everybody by 30 yards as a Freshman), but Beck also had 3 Offensive Coordinators and 2 head coaches in 3 years. Once Anae and Doman got to work with him consistently, Beck became Beck (A full Summer as the #1 guy would've done wonders for Heaps in my opinion). To me Heaps feels like the talent of Beck with a touch of the cockiness of Max Hall (though waaaaay more Politically correct with the media).

I still believe, barring injury, Heaps will turn into a great. He's gonna learn this season, and it won't feel like a total loss if we see improvement (I pray some Tight Ends step up soon). On the bright side... Hoffman is definitely his man for the next 4 years, I see some chemistry brewing.