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    Mormon boy touches Mormon girl's boobs. Girl resists, but only after indulging for 20 seconds or so. Both are penitent. What is the correct Church discipline?

    A) Boy goes without sacrament for 3 months (or weeks...whatever)
    B) Girl goes without sacrament for 3 months
    C) Both boy and girl go without sacrament for 3 months
    D) Other (please explain)

    How does your answer change if the girl confesses first and blames the guy or vice versa?
    That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

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    I don't see any reason to discipline them. Their actions do not put the Church at risk so the Church does not need to protect itself. Further, the atonement, infinite as it is, does not need anything further to cover the sin so why add to the guilt and concern they feel. The far larger and more prevalent problem in the Church is not the willingness to blithely accept sin but rather the inability to accept forgiveness and to forgive yourself. I think we need to combat that.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
      Mormon boy touches Mormon girl's boobs. Girl resists, but only after indulging for 20 seconds or so. Both are penitent. What is the correct Church discipline?

      A) Boy goes without sacrament for 3 months (or weeks...whatever)
      B) Girl goes without sacrament for 3 months
      C) Both boy and girl go without sacrament for 3 months
      D) Other (please explain)

      How does your answer change if the girl confesses first and blames the guy or vice versa?
      This is impossible to answer because each case is so different. On the question of the sacrament, approaches to that vary wildly among bishops. Some like that limitation to last as short a time as possible, some let the transgressor decide, some don't even like to use that approach. Some would not take any action at all. I have known bishops in all 4 categories.
      Last edited by LA Ute; 02-18-2009, 04:20 PM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
        I don't see any reason to discipline them. Their actions do not put the Church at risk so the Church does not need to protect itself. Further, the atonement, infinite as it is, does not need anything further to cover the sin so why add to the guilt and concern they feel. The far larger and more prevalent problem in the Church is not the willingness to blithely accept sin but rather the inability to accept forgiveness and to forgive yourself. I think we need to combat that.
        Amen.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
          This is impossible to answer because each case is so different. On the question of the sacrament, approaches to that vary wildly among bishops.
          I don't think each case is really that different, but I do agree that approaches vary wildly.

          Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
          Some like that limitation to last as short a time as possible, some let the transgressor decide, some don't even like to use that approach. Some would not take any action at all. I have known bishops in all 4 categories.
          Yeah, this is one more reason why the system is lame. But maybe kids would screw around more (or less?) if they knew that their bishop was predictable.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
            Mormon boy touches Mormon girl's boobs. Girl resists, but only after indulging for 20 seconds or so. Both are penitent. What is the correct Church discipline?

            A) Boy goes without sacrament for 3 months (or weeks...whatever)
            B) Girl goes without sacrament for 3 months
            C) Both boy and girl go without sacrament for 3 months
            D) Other (please explain)

            How does your answer change if the girl confesses first and blames the guy or vice versa?
            If it's my daughter.... cut boy's penis off and feed it to my dog.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by cowboy View Post
              If it's my daughter.... cut boy's penis off and feed it to my dog.
              Amen.

              Is this under the shirt, under the bra touching? Over the shirt? Under the shirt, over the bra?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                Amen.

                Is this under the shirt, under the bra touching? Over the shirt? Under the shirt, over the bra?
                Under the bra, you puritans.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                  Under the bra, you puritans.
                  In that case, the knife would be dull.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                    Amen.

                    Is this under the shirt, under the bra touching? Over the shirt? Under the shirt, over the bra?
                    Are you a bishop?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                      Are you a bishop?
                      Not yet. Aspiring though.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                        Are you a bishop?
                        Clearly he's not, or he would have asked if the boy ejaculated.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                          Clearly he's not, or he would have asked if the boy ejaculated.
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                          • #14
                            What if the girl placed the boy's hands on her breasts, and the boy removed his hands after indulging for 20 seconds? Who is more culpable?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                              What if the girl placed the boy's hands on her breasts, and the boy removed his hands after indulging for 20 seconds? Who is more culpable?
                              If they were on a group date this never would have happened. Both are equally culpable. Make them read Miracle of Forgiveness, no sacrament for 6 months and release them from their callings if they hold any. How'd I do?
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