Unga mess makes BYU look bad

[SeattleUte]

I have a friend whose brother is a coach in the NFL and they both played college football. He follows it all very closely, and has admired BYU over the years. But he's a complete outsider re LDS/BYU culture, etc. He asked me about Unga, why he suddenly left early, etc. because the ESPN article yesterday said "unspecified reasons." I tried to explain BYU kicked Unga out of school (after he passed up the main NFL draft to stay in college) because he got his girlfriend pregnant and married her five months before the baby was born. My friend was horrified; he noted that being expelled from a college will follow Unga the rest of his life, and his NFL entry got all screwed up. My friend is a practicing Catholic, and I could tell he was thinking about the Golden Rule, charity, forgiveness, perspective, that sort of stuff. I tried to be fair and objective to BYU but it all came out making BYU look like this crazy heretic burning place caught up in a frenzy of absurd medieval sexual morality. I couldn't help it. The facts are bad for BYU.

[PaloAltoCougar]

... I tried to explain ...

I can't think of anyone more qualified to provide an objective and accurate explanation of BYU events (well, excluding all other primates, crustaceans and small appliances). Once you're done here, the LDS Church will invite you to serve as its liaison to the gay community.

[BlueHair]

I have a friend whose brother is a coach in the NFL and they both played college football. He follows it all very closely, and has admired BYU over the years. But he's a complete outsider re LDS/BYU culture, etc. He asked me about Unga, why he suddenly left early, etc. because the ESPN article yesterday said "unspecified reasons." I tried to explain BYU kicked Unga out of school (after he passed up the main NFL draft to stay in college) because he got his girlfriend pregnant and married her five months before the baby was born. My friend was horrified; he noted that being expelled from a college will follow Unga the rest of his life, and his NFL entry got all screwed up. My friend is a practicing Catholic, and I could tell he was thinking about the Golden Rule, charity, forgiveness, perspective, that sort of stuff. I tried to be fair and objective to BYU but it all came out making BYU look like this crazy heretic burning place caught up in a frenzy of absurd medieval sexual morality. I couldn't help it. The facts are bad for BYU.

That's pretty funny. One correction, he wasn't thrown out of school. He left. Regardless, it's horrible that he thought he had to leave school because he got his girlfriend pregnant.

[jay santos]

My friend is a practicing Catholic, and I could tell he was thinking about the Golden Rule, charity, forgiveness, perspective, that sort of stuff. I tried to be fair and objective to BYU but it all came out making BYU look like this crazy heretic burning place caught up in a frenzy of absurd medieval sexual morality. I couldn't help it. The facts are bad for BYU.

I'm a practicing Mormon, and I find myself thinking about Golden Rule, charity, forgiveness, pespective, etc when it comes to the Harvey Unga case, and I can't make sense of it either. I'm extremely upset by it. I've mentioned this earlier. I think I'm going to sell my tickets and take a year break from BYU football.

[BlueHair]

I'm a practicing Mormon, and I find myself thinking about Golden Rule, charity, forgiveness, pespective, etc when it comes to the Harvey Unga case, and I can't make sense of it either. I'm extremely upset by it. I've mentioned this earlier. I think I'm going to sell my tickets and take a year break from BYU football.

You picked a good year to do it. The schedule is horrible.

[falafel]

I'm sure your Catholic friend would have advised Harvey and his girlfriend to use some form of birth control. That would have prevented this whole situation.

[Uncle Ted]

I blame the lack of good sex education classes in Utah's schools and at BYU to teach planned parenthood. I just saw this classified ad on CB:

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[cougjunkie]

Weird that you of all people would have your facts wrong. Unga and his girlfriend are still not married, they plan on getting married later this summer.

The baby was born on the 4th of July. Harvey knew she was pregnant back in January but still decided to come back to BYU, if this was Harveys first or maybe even his 2nd violation he would most likely still be at BYU.

[PaloAltoCougar]

That's pretty funny. One correction, he wasn't thrown out of school. He left. Regardless, it's horrible that he thought he had to leave school because he got his girlfriend pregnant.

Why stop there? Spotting factual errors in an SU post about BYU is like a kid trying to spot the twenty hidden objects in those Highlights puzzles at the dentist's ("Hey, Mom, help me find the banjo!"). E.g., Marrying five months before the baby was born, and being kicked out of school? They're apparently getting married today, three weeks after the birth of their child and after withdrawing from school.

The situation was still sad and I have concerns about the way things unfolded, but I try to tread lightly when I am not possessed of all the facts (and in this matter, I believe certain facts have been appropriately withheld from a voyeuristic public). On matters concerning BYU and LDS Church, SU is not similarly restrained. But he's a mensch for throwing out lots of chum on the board, and I'm grateful.

[BigFatMeanie]

Weird that you of all people would have your facts wrong. Unga and his girlfriend are still not married, they plan on getting married later this summer.

The baby was born on the 4th of July. Harvey knew she was pregnant back in January but still decided to come back to BYU, if this was Harveys first or maybe even his 2nd violation he would most likely still be at BYU.

Another fact omitted:

Harvey is eligible to enroll again and finish his degree - he just can't do it until January.

[DapperDan]

if this was Harveys first or maybe even his 2nd violation he would most likely still be at BYU.

Harvey's transgression was far to public for the HC not to demand its pound of flesh.

[byu71]

Contrary to what most CB folks think and some here, I don't hate the honor code.

What bugs me is that people actually think it is divinely inspired and that the outside world admires BYU for having it. I can't tell you the number of times posters would post how respected BYU is because of the honor code.

Harvey, who was very pro BYU and took the high road mentioned the scouts actually laughed when they found out why is was forced out. Go ahead and state it isn't bad if the world is laughing at you because of your principles. However, don't give me the crap that BYU is mostly respected because of it.

Heck, a good number of members don't respect it.

That being said, SU would be a terrible spokesman for BYU's stance.

[Bengal Cougar]

Weird that you of all people would have your facts wrong. Unga and his girlfriend are still not married, they plan on getting married later this summer.

The baby was born on the 4th of July. Harvey knew she was pregnant back in January but still decided to come back to BYU, if this was Harveys first or maybe even his 2nd violation he would most likely still be at BYU.

I don't think he knew in January , and I don't think she knew until later then normal.

[Bengal Cougar]

I have a friend whose brother is a coach in the NFL and they both played college football. He follows it all very closely, and has admired BYU over the years. But he's a complete outsider re LDS/BYU culture, etc. He asked me about Unga, why he suddenly left early, etc. because the ESPN article yesterday said "unspecified reasons." I tried to explain BYU kicked Unga out of school (after he passed up the main NFL draft to stay in college) because he got his girlfriend pregnant and married her five months before the baby was born. My friend was horrified; he noted that being expelled from a college will follow Unga the rest of his life, and his NFL entry got all screwed up. My friend is a practicing Catholic, and I could tell he was thinking about the Golden Rule, charity, forgiveness, perspective, that sort of stuff. I tried to be fair and objective to BYU but it all came out making BYU look like this crazy heretic burning place caught up in a frenzy of absurd medieval sexual morality. I couldn't help it. The facts are bad for BYU.

Well you have your facts wrong, they are not even married yet. And Harvey will still be finishing his degree.

[DapperDan]

Why even have commandments if forgiveness should be quick and painless?

The Honor Code is the commandments?