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  • Big deal in Constitutional Gun Law

    This latest decision on the Chicago ban is a big deal, no matter what your thoughts are. Here's why:

    Back in the day, when the Constitution was drafted, the Bill of Rights (promised as part of a compromise, so it actually didn't come until a bit after) was applicable only to the Federal gov't. The worry was not about protecting the people from the states (that's why they had state legislatures) but from the national body politik.

    Enter the aftermath of the Civil War. The 14th Amendment is passed. Via the 14th Amendment, the SCOTUS has held that the BoR is now applicable to the states. Or, rather, they have at different times opined on which bits are applicable (answer: most).

    Except for the second amendment. They've never spoken on that.

    The D.C. gun ban was about a gun ban on FEDERAL property, so that only gave us an indication of how they interpreted the 2nd amendment.

    This latest ruling is about a state/local gun ban. Enter Scalito:

    Justice Samuel Alito, writing for the court, said the Second Amendment right "applies equally to the federal government and the states."
    That's a pretty big deal. Nobody has ever said that before.

    The fact that this was a 5-4 decision means that it's nowhere close to unanimous, nor is this (in my view) an especially surprising decision given the make-up of the court. It's also (in my view) the correct decision given my understanding for the impetus behind the 2nd amendment as a matter of social construct and independent of my views on actual firearms.
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    A great day for liberty.
    "Remember to double tap"

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    • #3
      For better or worse, the 2nd amendment, as interpreted by the NRA, has taken a huge step toward being the indisputable law of the land. As a lifelong owner of various firearms, this doesn't strike fear into my heart the way it probably does for some liberals. Ironically, it may strike some fear into the hearts of conservatives who may foresee a day when this divisive issue can no longer be used as a wedge issue. Maybe to some it is better if this issue remain a bit more ambiguous.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by venkman View Post
        A great day for liberty.
        I hate to agree with this nut job.
        When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

        --Jonathan Swift

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        • #5
          I applaud this decision. I've always felt that it applied to the fed and the states, and I'm happy to see this right not eroded like so many others. Now, I'm not a big fan of handguns, but the right shall not be infringed, no matter how much I don't like them.
          "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
            I hate to agree with this nut job.
            I have to agree here.
            Dyslexics are teople poo...

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            • #7
              niku, I totally just ripped this off, verbatim, in a facebook thread with a friend of mine. If you want, I'll pay scuttage in Spanish translation help.
              "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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              • #8
                There will be all kinds of people who think this is the beginning of the end of the world. Remember that when gay marriage eventually becomes the law of the land.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                  There will be all kinds of people who think this is the beginning of the end of the world. Remember that when gay marriage eventually becomes the law of the land.
                  I can't think of anything more frightening than roving bands of hand gun-toting, wedding ring-wearing gay men.
                  Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                  GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by venkman View Post
                    A great day for liberty.
                    Yes it is. Freedom wins this round.
                    "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                    "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by venkman View Post
                      A great day for liberty.
                      I don't know about that. Did the states understand at the time the 14th passed that they were incorporating the bill of rights? I'm not so sure. If they did, I think Thomas' argument makes a lot more sense (using privileges and immunities instead of due process).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        niku, I totally just ripped this off, verbatim, in a facebook thread with a friend of mine. If you want, I'll pay scuttage in Spanish translation help.
                        Lol, crap, I would have done a better job if I knew I was going to be plagiarized.
                        Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.

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                        • #13
                          It will have signifigant meaning in CA. This is just the start. Many new lawsuits challenging the CA gun roster, concealed weapons just cause, the AWB, as well as the new bill that is pending Arnie's approval banning the open carry of guns in CA are comming. Its a great day!
                          "I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's a$$, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it". - Tommy Callahan III

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                            I don't know about that. Did the states understand at the time the 14th passed that they were incorporating the bill of rights? I'm not so sure. If they did, I think Thomas' argument makes a lot more sense (using privileges and immunities instead of due process).
                            I'm not a lawyer, but if you're going to apply the bill of rights to the states, you should apply all of them.
                            "Remember to double tap"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by falafel View Post
                              I can't think of anything more frightening than roving bands of hand gun-toting, wedding ring-wearing gay men.
                              Probably roving bands of hand gun-toting, wedding ring-wearing lesbians.
                              Not that, sickos.

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