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    lee vs bridgewater

    I am really getting tired of the negative campaigning in this race. Every morning when I come into work their is another political message on my phone for this race. This morning there was four. I am about to the point where it is pox on both there houses

    Although I think whoever wins will still beat Sam.

    I may be small, but I'm slow.

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    Who do you like in this one? I haven't heard much lately, but it seemed like Bridgewater was consistently ahead in all the polls. Has it changed?

    What is the fighting about? It seems like Lee was kind of mocking Bridgewater for having taken federal money at one point. Bridgewater has also tagged Lee with being beholden to Energy Solutions. Anything else?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by YOhio View Post
      Who do you like in this one? I haven't heard much lately, but it seemed like Bridgewater was consistently ahead in all the polls. Has it changed?

      What is the fighting about? It seems like Lee was kind of mocking Bridgewater for having taken federal money at one point. Bridgewater has also tagged Lee with being beholden to Energy Solutions. Anything else?
      I think they are both so similar (typical for BYU grads) that they are trying hard to find something that differentiates them. If only one of them had gone to the U. or were married to a non-LDS person, or drank Coke, this would be a lot easier for Utah Republican voters.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
        Who do you like in this one? I haven't heard much lately, but it seemed like Bridgewater was consistently ahead in all the polls. Has it changed?

        What is the fighting about? It seems like Lee was kind of mocking Bridgewater for having taken federal money at one point. Bridgewater has also tagged Lee with being beholden to Energy Solutions. Anything else?
        This what I am getting out of it:

        Lee - Bridgewater is a dirty businessman, like BP, ENRON, CITI, etc
        Bridwater- AM NOT, I'm a good business man, anyway you're a dirty lawyer and we have to many of them in congress already
        Lee - are too but, I'm a GOOD lawyer
        Bridgewater - etc

        Kind of like a couple of 8 yr olds on the playground

        THe last poling I saw put Bridgewater up by 10-12 point with 25% undecided.

        I voted early and voted for Bridgewater. I didn't like the turn in Lee's campaign. Policy wise, there is not much difference between the two. Personally I supported Bennett, but ...

        I may be small, but I'm slow.

        A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or national guard or reserve is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to, "The United States of America ", for an amount of "up to and including my life - it's an honor."

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        • #5
          The only difference between the two of them that I really see is that Lee has spent most of his career in DC. If the Repubs in Utah got rid of Bennett because he was too much of a DC, kind of guy, they should not vote for Lee for that same reason.
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          • #6
            I haven't been impressed with Lee thus far. Seems to be stooping lower in terms of typical campaign fear-mongering and pandering to the extremists. That whole "expert on the constitution" angle is especially annoying.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
              The only difference between the two of them that I really see is that Lee has spent most of his career in DC. If the Repubs in Utah got rid of Bennett because he was too much of a DC, kind of guy, they should not vote for Lee for that same reason.
              A few years in a law firm and at the supreme court? I don't think that's what people are worried about when they are worried about bennett having been in DC for too long.

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              • #8
                Get a lot of phone calls from both every day. My entirely unreasoned, illogical, uneducated reason for preferring Lee is that Bridgewater walks and talks like he has a stick up his butt. I translate that to being uncompromising and inflexible.

                Although I do like the countryside peppered with all those "TIM" signs. It reminds me of, well, Tim.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                  A few years in a law firm and at the supreme court? I don't think that's what people are worried about when they are worried about bennett having been in DC for too long.
                  He spent more than a few years in DC.

                  How about the fact that he's a lawyer like so many other politicians? That's enough of a reason for me to not support him.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                    He spent more than a few years in DC.

                    How about the fact that he's a lawyer like so many other politicians? That's enough of a reason for me to not support him.
                    Yeah, damn the lawyer and vote for the lobbyist. We could do with less of both, but I'm not going to damn the lawyer in this case.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                      I haven't been impressed with Lee thus far. Seems to be stooping lower in terms of typical campaign fear-mongering and pandering to the extremists. That whole "expert on the constitution" angle is especially annoying.
                      People might call me an extremist. You'd think I'd like what Lee had to say, and I probably would, if I believed he really felt that way...which I don't. It just feels forced, not genuine.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                        Yeah, damn the lawyer and vote for the lobbyist. We could do with less of both, but I'm not going to damn the lawyer in this case.
                        You make a fair point about the lobbyist, but I'll damn the lawyer in this case.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          I haven't been impressed with Lee thus far. Seems to be stooping lower in terms of typical campaign fear-mongering and pandering to the extremists. That whole "expert on the constitution" angle is especially annoying.
                          I saw that too and it was annoying. It wasn't quite as bad as the idiot that ran against Matheson back in 2000 who ran on the "Matheson supports gay boy scout leaders and I don't" platform. BTW, I think I've told the story about Chris Cannon talking to me outside of Cougar Stadium October of that year and telling me that ad campaign was his brainchild. It seems like some of these Utah GOP candidates don't think too highly of their constituents. This is cheap, knee-jerk stuff.

                          There's a reason why I'm not a registered republican and Happyone pointed it out. I don't want to be bombarded by mailings and phone calls every even-numbered year.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                            Get a lot of phone calls from both every day. My entirely unreasoned, illogical, uneducated reason for preferring Lee is that Bridgewater walks and talks like he has a stick up his butt. I translate that to being uncompromising and inflexible.

                            Although I do like the countryside peppered with all those "TIM" signs. It reminds me of, well, Tim.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                              I saw that too and it was annoying. It wasn't quite as bad as the idiot that ran against Matheson back in 2000 who ran on the "Matheson supports gay boy scout leaders and I don't" platform. BTW, I think I've told the story about Chris Cannon talking to me outside of Cougar Stadium October of that year and telling me that ad campaign was his brainchild. It seems like some of these Utah GOP candidates don't think too highly of their constituents. This is cheap, knee-jerk stuff.

                              There's a reason why I'm not a registered republican and Happyone pointed it out. I don't want to be bombarded by mailings and phone calls every even-numbered year.
                              The problem is that in North Davis county unless you are a repub and go to the cacus, you don't really get a say in who the going to be elected, the repub canadate always wins. I would venture to say the same is true in Utah county

                              I may be small, but I'm slow.

                              A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or national guard or reserve is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to, "The United States of America ", for an amount of "up to and including my life - it's an honor."

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