Pretty sure Utah is screwed.

[oxcoug]

Setting aside whether or not that's good or bad for BYU and if good primarily good for spiteful reasons or for more substantive reasons.....

Here's what seems to have to happen at this point for Utah to get into the PAC:

1. T A&M wld have to get an actual invite to the SEC
2. They'd have to decide to navigate all kinds of political problems to leave their Texas brethren and take it
3. If they did that then T A&M + Texas would have to fail in trying to persuade the PAC X that it should take Baylor as a replacement for T A&M
4. Failing that then the same parties would have to fail to persuade the PAC X to take Kansas over Utah (I think the buck stops at this one - the PAC would LOVE to have Kansas's hoops prowess, it's better academically than Utah and it's been improving in football).

The only way this can all work out for Utah from here, in my view, is if A&M really does both get the SEC invite AND decides to break off from the rest of the Texas crew (unlikely), then the PAC X outright refuses to admit Baylor (not impossible), then the Kansas politicos refuse to let Kansas leave K State (highly unlikely in the context).

[myboynoah]

Setting aside whether or not that's good or bad for BYU and if good primarily good for spiteful reasons or for more substantive reasons.....

Here's what seems to have to happen at this point for Utah to get into the PAC:

1. T A&M wld have to get an actual invite to the SEC
2. They'd have to decide to navigate all kinds of political problems to leave their Texas brethren and take it
3. If they did that then T A&M + Texas would have to fail in trying to persuade the PAC X that it should take Baylor as a replacement for T A&M
4. Failing that then the same parties would have to fail to persuade the PAC X to take Kansas over Utah (I think the buck stops at this one - the PAC would LOVE to have Kansas's hoops prowess, it's better academically than Utah and it's been improving in football).

The only way this can all work out for Utah from here, in my view, is if A&M really does both get the SEC invite AND decides to break off from the rest of the Texas crew (unlikely), then the PAC X outright refuses to admit Baylor (not impossible), then the Kansas politicos refuse to let Kansas leave K State (highly unlikely in the context).

Probably correct. If aTm rejects the offer (unlikely I think), then Kansas is sitting there. We're talking Kansas. Naismith, Allen, Sayers, Chamberlain, Ostertag, five NCs (spanning the ancient and modern eras), a BCS victory three years ago, AAU membership, and already a BCS conference member and 69-year history of playing Colorado. So much of the talk since it became apparent that the Big 12 was going away has been lamenting the tragedy of Kansas' situation.

[ERCougar]

Setting aside whether or not that's good or bad for BYU and if good primarily good for spiteful reasons or for more substantive reasons.....

Here's what seems to have to happen at this point for Utah to get into the PAC:

1. T A&M wld have to get an actual invite to the SEC
2. They'd have to decide to navigate all kinds of political problems to leave their Texas brethren and take it
3. If they did that then T A&M + Texas would have to fail in trying to persuade the PAC X that it should take Baylor as a replacement for T A&M
4. Failing that then the same parties would have to fail to persuade the PAC X to take Kansas over Utah (I think the buck stops at this one - the PAC would LOVE to have Kansas's hoops prowess, it's better academically than Utah and it's been improving in football).

The only way this can all work out for Utah from here, in my view, is if A&M really does both get the SEC invite AND decides to break off from the rest of the Texas crew (unlikely), then the PAC X outright refuses to admit Baylor (not impossible), then the Kansas politicos refuse to let Kansas leave K State (highly unlikely in the context).

Puh-lease. They're almost the same.

EDIT: Withdrawn. I just read the German Shepherd's warning.

[Uncle Ted]

Setting aside whether or not that's good or bad for BYU and if good primarily good for spiteful reasons or for more substantive reasons.....

Here's what seems to have to happen at this point for Utah to get into the PAC:

1. T A&M wld have to get an actual invite to the SEC
2. They'd have to decide to navigate all kinds of political problems to leave their Texas brethren and take it
3. If they did that then T A&M + Texas would have to fail in trying to persuade the PAC X that it should take Baylor as a replacement for T A&M
4. Failing that then the same parties would have to fail to persuade the PAC X to take Kansas over Utah (I think the buck stops at this one - the PAC would LOVE to have Kansas's hoops prowess, it's better academically than Utah and it's been improving in football).

The only way this can all work out for Utah from here, in my view, is if A&M really does both get the SEC invite AND decides to break off from the rest of the Texas crew (unlikely), then the PAC X outright refuses to admit Baylor (not impossible), then the Kansas politicos refuse to let Kansas leave K State (highly unlikely in the context).

OR if Dan Beebe somehow convinces the rest of the current members that the Big 12 can be saved, they collect $10M from CU and $10M from NU for leaving, and invite BYU and Utah to the Big 12 North to replace CU/NU. Of course, worse case for Utah would be they only invite BYU and some other team besides Utah.

[myboynoah]

OR if Dan Beebe somehow convinces the rest of the current members that the Big 12 can be saved, they collect $10M from CU and $10M from NU for leaving, and invite BYU and Utah to the Big 12 North to replace CU/NU. Of course, worse case for Utah would be they only invite BYU and some other team besides Utah.

BYU would never leave it's rival behind. Never! Loyalty is important to CougarNation.

[ERCougar]

OR if Dan Beebe somehow convinces the rest of the current members that the Big 12 can be saved, they collect $10M from CU and $10M from NU for leaving, and invite BYU and Utah to the Big 12 North to replace CU/NU. Of course, worse case for Utah would be they only invite BYU and some other team besides Utah.

I almost added this to SU's unintentionally funny hierarchy of possibilities yesterday but decided against it. This isn't entirely inconceivable.

[smokymountainrain]

Setting aside whether or not that's good or bad for BYU and if good primarily good for spiteful reasons or for more substantive reasons.....

Here's what seems to have to happen at this point for Utah to get into the PAC:

1. T A&M wld have to get an actual invite to the SEC
2. They'd have to decide to navigate all kinds of political problems to leave their Texas brethren and take it
3. If they did that then T A&M + Texas would have to fail in trying to persuade the PAC X that it should take Baylor as a replacement for T A&M
4. Failing that then the same parties would have to fail to persuade the PAC X to take Kansas over Utah (I think the buck stops at this one - the PAC would LOVE to have Kansas's hoops prowess, it's better academically than Utah and it's been improving in football).

The only way this can all work out for Utah from here, in my view, is if A&M really does both get the SEC invite AND decides to break off from the rest of the Texas crew (unlikely), then the PAC X outright refuses to admit Baylor (not impossible), then the Kansas politicos refuse to let Kansas leave K State (highly unlikely in the context).

I think if Texas wants Baylor in the PAC, they get Baylor in the PAC.

Do you know for certain Texas is serious about trying to "persuade" the PAC to allow Baylor to join them in the move? If so, how do you know this?

[WashingtonCoug]

I'm pretty sure that the issue with Kansas is that by law they have to take KSU with them. That won't be happening. I do still think A&M has a more than 50% chance of going to the PAC though.

My best hope is they keep the Big 12 together. BYU goes to the BIG 12. Utah goes to the PAC 12.

[LiveCoug]

I'm pretty sure that the issue with Kansas is that by law they have to take KSU with them.

Is this true or just some widely spread rumor (like the NCAA has banned colored fields but Boise's field is grandfathered in)?

[myboynoah]

Is this true or just some widely spread rumor (like the NCAA has banned colored fields but Boise's field is grandfathered in)?

Yeah, unless someone can clarify this, I doubt it exists. Sure, there are probably strong political interests wanting them to move together, but I'm sure one in the Pac-16/one in the MWC/CUSA/whatever minor conference is better than two in the MWC/CUSA/whatever minor conference. I'd hate to be a politician that kept Kansas out of the Pac-16.

[Babs]

EDIT: Withdrawn. I just read the German Shepherd's warning.

lol. I suspect his bark is considerably louder than his bite.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Puh-lease. They're almost the same.

EDIT: Withdrawn. I just read the German Shepherd's warning.

I see the grumpy, sarcastic ERC is out today. You need more sleep Dr.

[SeattleUte]

Setting aside whether or not that's good or bad for BYU and if good primarily good for spiteful reasons or for more substantive reasons.....

Here's what seems to have to happen at this point for Utah to get into the PAC:

1. T A&M wld have to get an actual invite to the SEC
2. They'd have to decide to navigate all kinds of political problems to leave their Texas brethren and take it
3. If they did that then T A&M + Texas would have to fail in trying to persuade the PAC X that it should take Baylor as a replacement for T A&M
4. Failing that then the same parties would have to fail to persuade the PAC X to take Kansas over Utah (I think the buck stops at this one - the PAC would LOVE to have Kansas's hoops prowess, it's better academically than Utah and it's been improving in football).

The only way this can all work out for Utah from here, in my view, is if A&M really does both get the SEC invite AND decides to break off from the rest of the Texas crew (unlikely), then the PAC X outright refuses to admit Baylor (not impossible), then the Kansas politicos refuse to let Kansas leave K State (highly unlikely in the context).

Yes, this is all pretty self-evient if you employ common sense. No one should kid themselves that Utah would be more attractive to anyone than Kansas or Texas A&M. I'm the one here who first started saying "what about Kansas? Kansas is stellar." There was also ZERO possiblity that Kansas would ever condescend to the Mountain West.

However, common sense has not prevailed at all of late. If this Super West of the Mississippi conference does come down, what's to stop Utah from being in a 10 team Eastern Division? You are still making all kinds of assumptions (I'm thinking of your unintentionally funny and very very long Book of Mormon historicity essay). Utah has been totally irrelevent to the goings on the past week, whatever its fate. What makes you so sure it hasn't had its offer in hand all along?

[SeattleUte]

I see the grumpy, sarcastic ERC is out today. You need more sleep Dr.

He has been hunkering down, like many of them, sick at heart, making frequent trips to the bathroom, his fingers so palsied from fear he can't even type.

[LiveCoug]

Utah has been totally irrelevent to the goings on the past week, whatever its fate. What makes you so sure it hasn't had its offer in hand all along?

Because it would have been signed and faxed already? We would have heard reports all over the national media that they had an offer?