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Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 08:03 PM
Is that I will spend the next 40 years paying for Obama's debt. $1 trillion stimulus plan. If it really works, we will see the result within the next 6 months. If it doesn't, we will be paying for it the rest of our lives.

How much does $1 trillion divided up by 300 million amount to? Now that would be a stimulus package.

RobinFinderson
01-20-2009, 08:06 PM
Don't worry, you will have to pay president Bush's debt first, and that is going to take a lot longer than 40 years.

Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 08:12 PM
Don't worry, you will have to pay president Bush's debt first, and that is going to take a lot longer than 40 years.

So the more debt the better? If you have kids, thanks for passing the buck!

woot
01-20-2009, 08:13 PM
So the more debt the better? If you have kids, thanks for passing the buck!

Have you suffered a recent head injury?

Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 08:14 PM
Have you suffered a recent head injury?

????????????

Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 08:16 PM
Don't worry, you will have to pay president Bush's debt first, and that is going to take a lot longer than 40 years.


I get it. This is poker. I'll see your $400B debt (Bush's) and raise you another $1 trillion (Obama's)

woot
01-20-2009, 08:17 PM
I get it. This is poker. I'll see your $400B debt (Bush's) and raise you another $1 trillion (Obama's)

Might want to check your numbers. And really, you should see a doctor about that concussion.

Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 08:19 PM
Might want to check your numbers. And really, you should see a doctor about that concussion.

Which number is incorrect?

woot
01-20-2009, 08:20 PM
Which number is incorrect?

I'd hate to deprive you of the research experience. You might accidentally run across a site that isn't run by Sean Hannity in the process. What an adventure!

Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 08:23 PM
I'd hate to deprive you of the research experience. You might accidentally run across a site that isn't run by Sean Hannity in the process. What an adventure!

Which number is wrong? It will require a shorter response than the one you just rendered.

This Hannity number?: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-10-07-deficit_N.htm?csp=34

Is this a Hannity number as well? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_go_co/obama_stimulus

woot
01-20-2009, 08:30 PM
sigh. That $438 billion is for one year, not total. Obama's stimulus package would be spread out over a period of time and would not all be deficit spending, just like Bush's $700 billion bailout wasn't all deficit spending. I don't like either one but there's no sense in lying about it.

It's also interesting that you rounded heavily toward your position in both cases. Why would you do that?

Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 08:39 PM
sigh. That $438 billion is for one year, not total. Obama's stimulus package would be spread out over a period of time and would not all be deficit spending, just like Bush's $700 billion bailout wasn't all deficit spending. I don't like either one but there's no sense in lying about it.

It's also interesting that you rounded heavily toward your position in both cases. Why would you do that?

OK, $438B and an addition $830B. Feel better now? And if you think it will end at $830B; what can I say? Except that a fool is born every day. Bush's bailout? Congress was going nuts to pass it and the Dems would have demagogued (sp?) Bush. Instead he flipped them off, agreed to it, and then fly off to his home in Texas. Bush was bad fiscally. Obama will be worse.

That's the bottom line and you and I will end up paying for it and get nothing in return.

woot
01-20-2009, 08:44 PM
OK, $438B and an addition $830B. Feel better now? And if you think it will end at $830B; what can I say? Except that a fool is born every day. Bush's bailout? Congress was going nuts to pass it and the Dems would have demagogued (sp?) Bush. Instead he flipped them off, agreed to it, and then fly off to his home in Texas. Bush was bad fiscally. Obama will be worse.

That's the bottom line and you and I will end up paying for it and get nothing in return.

I'm not interested in your justifications. You still haven't acknowledged my major point, which is that you're comparing a single year of Bush's deficit with a proposed spending/taxation plan. Those aren't the same sort of thing. I would also dispute that we "get nothing in return," but I'm still too concerned about that head injury to tax you further.

Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 09:02 PM
I'm not interested in your justifications. You still haven't acknowledged my major point, which is that you're comparing a single year of Bush's deficit with a proposed spending/taxation plan. Those aren't the same sort of thing. I would also dispute that we "get nothing in return," but I'm still too concerned about that head injury to tax you further.

So how do you figure the return on investment? For $830B, we get what?

Also remember the last stimulus package? Did nothing except put us in further debt. I put mine in savings. Did you go out and spend yours?

Hallelujah
01-20-2009, 09:03 PM
I'm not interested in your justifications. You still haven't acknowledged my major point, which is that you're comparing a single year of Bush's deficit with a proposed spending/taxation plan. Those aren't the same sort of thing. I would also dispute that we "get nothing in return," but I'm still too concerned about that head injury to tax you further.

I AM comparing one year's of deficits to ONE ACT of deficit spending. Talk about head injuries!

wuapinmon
01-21-2009, 01:08 AM
I AM comparing one year's of deficits to ONE ACT of deficit spending. Talk about head injuries!

Ok, so I get that you're not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, but that doesn't mean you can't be taught......the national debt vs. a % of the GDP hasn't really changed that much, even though the number has gotten bigger, as a percentage, it's not really any bigger than it was under Reagan.....also the $850 billion bought assets, for pennies on the dollar....assets that still have cashflow, assets that we will be able to sell again some day, and the Treasury will make a profit....how do I know this....well, every time it's been done in the past, it has worked.....

If Obama doesn't stimulate the economy via deficit spending, we'll see unemployment climb into the teens and stall the recovery by years, not months....you can talk about the debt and use all the FOXing rhetoric you want to jovial-tough guy your way through what you consider a rock-solid argument, but you really need to read....pick up some books, some reports, some history, and read, man. None of us like debt, especially not public debt, but it has its uses, and damned if this isn't a good time to use one of them. People are so scared about their money right now that the Treasury sold bonds for 0% interest in December....think about that....they were so scared of losing money that they chose to make no money at all on billions of dollars........that's the kind of situation we're in......no matter who took office today (even if he were your whiteboy Mormon wetdream Romney) they would all need to do the same thing, otherwise they'd Smoot-Hawley us into a full blown Depression.


Federal Deficit
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Recent additions to U.S. public debt Fiscal year (begins
10/01 of prev. year) Value % of GDP
2001 $144.5 billion 1.4%
2002 $409.5 billion 3.9%
2003 $589.0 billion 5.5%
2004 $605.0 billion 5.3%
2005 $523.0 billion 4.3%
2006 $536.5 billion 4.1%
2007 $459.5 billion 3.4%
2008 $1017.0 billion (proj.) 7.4%

RobinFinderson
01-21-2009, 10:50 AM
My biggest fear is accidentally zipping my manhood in my trousers fly.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
01-21-2009, 12:03 PM
My biggest fear is accidentally zipping my manhood in my trousers fly.

Mine is snakes.

Brian
01-21-2009, 01:27 PM
My biggest fear is accidentally zipping my manhood in my trousers fly.

501s, man.

RobinFinderson
01-21-2009, 01:30 PM
501s, man.

Not secure enough.

creekster
01-21-2009, 01:31 PM
My biggest fear is accidentally zipping my manhood in my trousers fly.

Funny how it's frequently the little things that scare us the most.

beelzebabette
01-21-2009, 01:39 PM
Funny how it's frequently the little things that scare us the most.

Is it too early to start submitting for the 2009 CUFfies?