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cougjunkie
01-15-2010, 12:05 PM
He turned down 3-4 million per year.

His wife tweeted about 3 hours ago "Vol Nation.......hmmmmmmmm."

Then tweeted about 30 minutes ago: "Money isnt everything"

Lya Wodraska is reporting he was officially offered the job and turned it down.

smokymountainrain
01-15-2010, 12:07 PM
He turned down 3-4 million per year.

His wife tweeted about 3 hours ago "Vol Nation.......hmmmmmmmm."

Then tweeted about 30 minutes ago: "Money isnt everything"

Lya Wodraska is reporting he was officially offered the job and turned it down.

Wow.

TripletDaddy
01-15-2010, 12:09 PM
I think he is a lifer at Utah...

TripletDaddy
01-15-2010, 12:11 PM
Then tweeted about 30 minutes ago: "Money isnt everything"

This also is a relief for the U, because now Whit is sure to decline the raise they will offer him to keep him happy. Because, you know, money isn't everything....

smokymountainrain
01-15-2010, 12:13 PM
This also is a relief for the U, because now Whit is sure to decline the raise they will offer him to keep him happy. Because, you know, money isn't everything....

He should have said..."An extra 2-3 million isn't everything when you're already making 1.5 million."

Art Vandelay
01-15-2010, 12:13 PM
Good for him and good for the U. It is obvious Kyle learned many important lessons during his formative undergrad years.

Bastage
01-15-2010, 12:14 PM
I think he is a lifer at Utah...

He might be a Utah lifer, but there are certainly better coaching gigs than Tennessee and their expectations.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 12:14 PM
He turned down 3-4 million per year.

His wife tweeted about 3 hours ago "Vol Nation.......hmmmmmmmm."

Then tweeted about 30 minutes ago: "Money isnt everything"

Lya Wodraska is reporting he was officially offered the job and turned it down.

I'm all choked up. Thinking about that BYU mob at LES that punched her and knocked her down and kicked her I am almost berzerk!!!!!

TripletDaddy
01-15-2010, 12:15 PM
I'm all choked up. Thinking about that BYU mob at LES that punched her and knocked her down and kicked her I am almost berzerk!!!!!

We all know that there is really only one job that would cause Whit to leave Utah. My guess is that Whit is biding him time until Bronco goes to the NFL.

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 12:16 PM
There obviously is alot of talk about this on UteZone. The feeling is that Utah will lose Whittingham to the NFL, even for less money, before he takes another college job. I could see him putting out feelers once his youngest is further along in school. NFL coaching(esp as assistants) can be murder on a family.

EDIT-Although, I think the Tennessee job would have been tougher to turn down in 4 years than it is now.

cougjunkie
01-15-2010, 12:19 PM
There obviously is alot of talk about this on UteZone. The feeling is that Utah will lose Whittingham to the NFL, even for less money, before he takes another college job. I could see him putting out feelers once his youngest is further along in school. NFL coaching(esp as assistants) can be murder on a family.

EDIT-Although, I think the Tennessee job would have been tougher to turn down in 4 years than it is now.

I think Whit may be gone sooner than some think. He did throw his own hat in the ring for the USC job. He did interview for the Tennessee job as well. He is obviously keeping his options open.

Coach McGuirk
01-15-2010, 12:19 PM
The feeling is that Utah will lose Whittingham to the NFL, even for less money, before he takes another college job.

I just don't think he found the Tennessee job attractive. Other college jobs could entice him.

TripletDaddy
01-15-2010, 12:22 PM
I just don't think he found the Tennessee job attractive. Other college jobs could entice him.

He probably saw that Rocky Top youtube video and decided that he didn't want to be associated with hillbillies and moonshiners.

Whit contacts SC, though.

As Junkie said, Whit is keeping one eye on the door.

Speaks volumes about the relative prestige of the 3 institutions.

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 12:24 PM
He probably saw that Rocky Top youtube video and decided that he didn't want to be associated with hillbillies and moonshiners.

Whit contacts SC, though.

As Junkie said, Whit is keeping one eye on the door.

Speaks volumes about the relative prestige of the 3 institutions.

So SC>Utah>Tennessee.... I think as a fan I can live with that.

I am surprised he didn't take the money and go. I would not have blamed him one bit if he had. 15 mil is a big number to decline.

DrumNFeather
01-15-2010, 12:33 PM
So SC>Utah>Tennessee.... I think as a fan I can live with that.

I am surprised he didn't take the money and go. I would not have blamed him one bit if he had. 15 mil is a big number to decline.

Would've been interesting to have him and Urban and Dan Mullen all coaching against each other in the SEC.

I think Whitt will always listen, and there's nothing wrong with listening, but he'll be here as long as he wants to be and should be one of the highest paid coaches in the league year in and year out.

I would be interested to know how attractive he'd find an NFL defensive coordinator job because I suspect that is what he'd go for before getting a HC gig.

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 12:35 PM
Would've been interesting to have him and Urban and Dan Mullen all coaching against each other in the SEC.

I think Whitt will always listen, and there's nothing wrong with listening, but he'll be here as long as he wants to be and should be one of the highest paid coaches in the league year in and year out.

I would be interested to know how attractive he'd find an NFL defensive coordinator job because I suspect that is what he'd go for before getting a HC gig.

I agree on the DC job, but I wonder if a team would jump at him without any experience coaching at least a position in the NFL first. I could see some teams having interest in him as a LB or DL coach.

TripletDaddy
01-15-2010, 12:37 PM
So SC>Utah>Tennessee.... I think as a fan I can live with that.

I am surprised he didn't take the money and go. I would not have blamed him one bit if he had. 15 mil is a big number to decline.

I think that is correct, at least in Whit's mind.

It definitely should be a feather in Utah's cap that Whit wanted to stay at Utah instead of going to Tennessee...and for less money. Tenn is one of the most high profile gigs in the country.

DrumNFeather
01-15-2010, 12:39 PM
I think that is correct, at least in Whit's mind.

It definitely should be a feather in Utah's cap that Whit wanted to stay at Utah instead of going to Tennessee...and for less money. Tenn is one of the most high profile gigs in the country.

Nice thing to happen a few weeks before signing day, that's for sure!

DrumNFeather
01-15-2010, 12:39 PM
I agree on the DC job, but I wonder if a team would jump at him without any experience coaching at least a position in the NFL first. I could see some teams having interest in him as a LB or DL coach.

Maybe Marvin Lewis will use the ISU connection to get him to Cincy.

WashingtonCoug
01-15-2010, 12:42 PM
I don't think Utah would have suffered too much. They would have just hired Anderson away from USU. Anderson is a great coach and probably a better recruiter.

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 12:46 PM
I don't think Utah would have suffered too much. They would have just hired Anderson away from USU. Anderson is a great coach and probably a better recruiter.

Unles he gets pulled away to bigger pastures, Anderson is very likely Utah's next coach whenever that may be. It is good that the coach in waiting is actually getting experience as a head coach in D-1.:D

Surfah
01-15-2010, 12:47 PM
I am pretty shocked he turned it down. Even more revelatory is the state of Vols football. Kiffin bolts at the drop of a hat. Now their 3rd choice at best turns down big money to remain at a non-AQ school? :blink: That's pretty sad.

SloanHater
01-15-2010, 12:47 PM
I guess Kyle doesn't have to hold firesides every week of the season to prove he has his priorities right.

MartyFunkhouser
01-15-2010, 12:49 PM
He turned down 3-4 million per year.

His wife tweeted about 3 hours ago "Vol Nation.......hmmmmmmmm."

Then tweeted about 30 minutes ago: "Money isnt everything"

Lya Wodraska is reporting he was officially offered the job and turned it down.

I never believed that Whittingham was a lifer at Utah or would turn down a legit BcS opportunity. I guess I was wrong.

Katy Lied
01-15-2010, 12:51 PM
Now their 3rd choice at best turns down big money to remain at a non-AQ school? :blink: That's pretty sad.

Ditto for their second choice.

Surfah
01-15-2010, 12:52 PM
I never believed that Whittingham was a lifer at Utah or would turn down a legit BcS opportunity. I guess I was wrong.

He's still no lifer.

Surfah
01-15-2010, 12:53 PM
Ditto for their second choice.

Exactly. Truthfully, the Vols job ain't that attractive IMO for many reasons pointed out in the other thread.

DrumNFeather
01-15-2010, 12:54 PM
He's still no lifer.

What do you think will happen first? Whit takes another job (college or NFL)? Or Bronco hangs 'em up (per his statements about not wanting to coach long)?

jay santos
01-15-2010, 12:57 PM
How old's his youngest kid? I know that was a big deal for him earlier to not have to change schools for his kids.

8BR
01-15-2010, 12:59 PM
Was Whittingham swayed at all in his decision by Urban? I'm sure he called him, right?

I can see why Kyle was interested in SC, of course. But this news brings up the question, if he turned down Tenn, which college jobs would he leave Utah to take? One of the California PAC-10 schools? Is that it?

Surfah
01-15-2010, 01:00 PM
What do you think will happen first? Whit takes another job (college or NFL)? Or Bronco hangs 'em up (per his statements about not wanting to coach long)?

Whit will leave first. And I think it will be the NFL. I don't know how much I buy Bronco's talk. But if there is any truth to it, he at least sees out this recruiting class. So in 4 years is Whit still in Utah? Surfah's magic 8 ball says 'outlook not so good.'

Whit takes a DC/Ass. HC job in the NFL. Then gets a HC gig. Then returns to BYU. :D

byu71
01-15-2010, 01:02 PM
My guess is that Urban has told him he is still having a lot of gas and is 50/50 on coaching the gators. He has told Whitt the job is his if the gas continues.

beelzebabette
01-15-2010, 01:07 PM
Whit takes a DC/Ass. HC job in the NFL. Then gets a HC gig. Then returns to BYU. :D
As Andy Reid's successor, right?

Surfah
01-15-2010, 01:08 PM
As Andy Reid's successor, right?

You can read minds?!

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 01:17 PM
I think that is correct, at least in Whit's mind.

It definitely should be a feather in Utah's cap that Whit wanted to stay at Utah instead of going to Tennessee...and for less money. Tenn is one of the most high profile gigs in the country.

Maybe he felt he needed to stick with a program that could beat Wyoming.

Hot Lunch
01-15-2010, 01:18 PM
Maybe he felt he needed to stick with a program that could beat Wyoming.

Oh how I wish there were some Vols fans on this board to read that. That is a huge slap in the face to Vols fans.

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 01:21 PM
Oh how I wish there were some Vols fans on this board to read that. That is a huge slap in the face to Vols fans.

I know:D

Coach McGuirk
01-15-2010, 01:22 PM
Is there any chance these Coaches (Peterson, Whit, Patterson, etc.) can see that they are on the verge of getting into the club, and really don't see the need to jump anymore?

Patterson off the bat said he wasnt going to talk to anyone. Peterson, same deal. Whit looks like he wanted the SC job, so would I, but didn't settle for Tenn.

Is there writing on the wall or am I stoned?

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 01:26 PM
Is there any chance these Coaches (Peterson, Whit, Patterson, etc.) can see that they are on the verge of getting into the club, and really don't see the need to jump anymore?

Patterson off the bat said he wasnt going to talk to anyone. Peterson, same deal. Whit looks like he wanted the SC job, so would I, but didn't settle for Tenn.

Is there writing on the wall or am I stoned?

I think you make a great point here. Once the playing field does not slope too steeply in favor of AQ conferences, the appeal to move to a middle of the road team in the Pac-10, ACC, etc declines.

there will always be an draw to a top tier program regardless of where you coach, but coaching for TCU is better than Miss St. if the conference has guaranteed access to a big money bowl at the end of the year.

mUUser
01-15-2010, 01:32 PM
[QUOTE=cougjunkie;266101] "Money isnt everything"QUOTE]


She'll regret tweeting that statement, because once he takes another job, it'll be for a ton more money & Ute Nation will go into a furious lather over it. For me, the day Urban accepted Florida will forever be Utah's Haloti Ngata meltdown. Despicable conduct. Mrs. Whittingham is setting the stage for round 2.

TripletDaddy
01-15-2010, 01:33 PM
Oh how I wish there were some Vols fans on this board to read that. That is a huge slap in the face to Vols fans.

They also can't beat fucla, which is worse than losing to wyoming.

Flystripper
01-15-2010, 02:20 PM
They also can't beat fucla, which is worse than losing to wyoming.

Come to think of it Wyoming beat both fucla and Tenn. the last time they played those teams. What does that say?!

BoylenOver
01-15-2010, 02:26 PM
Come to think of it Wyoming beat both fucla and Tenn. the last time they played those teams. What does that say?!

And Ole Miss.

Ragtime Cowboy, talk about your cowboy, Ragtime Cowboy Joe!

Coastal Ute
01-15-2010, 02:46 PM
Perhaps he knows something we don't?

Maybe not, but I don't see why this guy wouldn't just stay loyal to the U. I don't think its a long shot for him to be lifer, contrary to every BYU fans opinion on this board.

Goatnapper'96
01-15-2010, 02:51 PM
Perhaps he knows something we don't?

Maybe not, but I don't see why this guy wouldn't just stay loyal to the U. I don't think its a long shot for him to be lifer, contrary to every BYU fans opinion on this board.

I don't know if he is a lifer but I think he loves what he has at the U and is not real excited to move on. I say score one for the good guys, goodonya Kyle!

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 02:55 PM
I never believed that Whittingham was a lifer at Utah or would turn down a legit BcS opportunity. I guess I was wrong.

Whit could have had a legit BCS opportunity before now. You're always so full of shit.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 02:57 PM
She'll regret tweeting that statement, because once he takes another job, it'll be for a ton more money & Ute Nation will go into a furious lather over it. For me, the day Urban accepted Florida will forever be Utah's Haloti Ngata meltdown. Despicable conduct. Mrs. Whittingham is setting the stage for round 2.

She didn't say money is nothing. She said it isn't everything. She's right. Duh.

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 02:58 PM
Whit could have had a legit BCS opportunity before now. You're always so full of shit.

What clandestine offer did I miss?

Color Me Badd Fan
01-15-2010, 03:02 PM
The Vols job is a tough one. Once Mark Richt shaped up the Georgia program, Tennessee started going down because Georgia got a lot of Tennessee's former recruiting base. On top of that, Alabama is just to the south and Whit would also have to compete with them for recruits.

Here are some jobs that may open up in the next few years: Michigan, Penn State (but won't they probably just promote an assistant), Colorado, aTm and Miami. I'd consider all of those jobs, except for aTm, as a potentially better job than Tennessee given the circumstances (even Colorado, but I don't think Whit leaves for that job, but that Michigan job would be very tempting).

BoylenOver
01-15-2010, 03:08 PM
Here are some jobs that may open up in the next few years: Michigan, Penn State (but won't they probably just promote an assistant), Colorado, aTm and Miami. I'd consider all of those jobs, except for aTm, as a potentially better job than Tennessee given the circumstances (even Colorado, but I don't think Whit leaves for that job, but that Michigan job would be very tempting).

There are too many coaches with ties to the Midwest and to UM that they would pick before they went after a guy like Whittingham.

One of them always wears a hat, and struggles to manage the clock in endgame situations.

Color Me Badd Fan
01-15-2010, 03:13 PM
There are too many coaches with ties to the Midwest and to UM that they would pick before they went after a guy like Whittingham.

One of them always wears a hat, and struggles to manage the clock in endgame situations.

Les Miles is becoming increasingly damaged goods and people are beginning to think that he is LSU's version of Larry Coker- basically gravytraining on Saban's recruits.

Jim Harbaugh is the far more likely replacement at UM than KWhit. But at this point, I'm not sure if Whit doesn't have more credibility than Miles.

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 03:14 PM
The fact that Patterson and now Whitt are turning down jobs which on the surface appear more prestigious tells me all I need to know about the chances of the MWC getting an eventual seat at the table.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 03:23 PM
What clandestine offer did I miss?

He got an offer from a top 10 job when he interviewed. BYU and Utah could only wish of having 100,000 fans at every game, half a dozen national titles, recruiting classes, etc., like Tennessee. If you don't think that means he could have gotten any number of BCS jobs if wanted them you have a problem.

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 03:26 PM
He got an offer from a top 10 job when he interviewed. BYU and Utah could only wish of having 100,000 fans at every game, half a dozen national titles, recruiting classes, etc., like Tennessee. If you don't think that means he could have gotten any number of BCS jobs if wanted them you have a problem.

Half a dozen what? Half a dozen what?

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 03:29 PM
Half a dozen what? Half a dozen what?

You are a typically parochial BYU fan.

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Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 03:32 PM
You are a typically parochial BYU fan.

Tennessee Volunteers football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football)

And you are a typical BYU hating excuse maker. I'm very happy to see Whitt stay put. He's a great coach and if he felt loyalty was worth it to him for peace of mind than good for him. Or you could just eat my shit and call it a day. Whichever works for you.

YOhio
01-15-2010, 03:35 PM
I don't blame Coach Whittingham for staying in his comfort zone at Utah. At Tennessee he'd have to go up against Urban Meyer and we all know how that would end.

TripletDaddy
01-15-2010, 03:35 PM
im happy for whit to stay too. he has a losing record against byu.

il Padrino Ute
01-15-2010, 03:39 PM
I don't blame Coach Whittingham for staying in his comfort zone at Utah. At Tennessee he'd have to go up against Urban Meyer and we all know how that would end.

Meyer knows what happened the last time KW faced an SEC team and Urbie would be curled up in the fetal position under a bench in the Florida locker room, refusing to take the field.

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 03:40 PM
Meyer knows what happened the last time KW faced an SEC team and Urbie would be curled up in the fetal position under a bench in the Florida locker room, refusing to take the field.

One can only hope.

YOhio
01-15-2010, 03:41 PM
Meyer knows what happened the last time KW faced an SEC team and Urbie would be curled up in the fetal position under a bench in the Florida locker room, refusing to take the field.

Urban Meyer is going through some serious health issues right now. Real classy for you to mock them.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 03:42 PM
And you are a typical BYU hating excuse maker. I'm very happy to see Whitt stay put. He's a great coach and if he felt loyalty was worth it to him for peace of mind than good for him. Or you could just eat my shit and call it a day. Whichever works for you.

I am not making any excuses. I am simply proving to you that Whit could have had many a BCS job before now. Tennessee is indubitably one of the dozen best jobs in the country. He interviewed for it and they offered it. He turned it down. This is called reasoning. Of course you have to not be too limited in your horizon to even know much about Tennessee football. That's the predicate.

il Padrino Ute
01-15-2010, 03:43 PM
Urban Meyer is going through some serious health issues right now. Real classy for you to mock them.

Urban Meyer is only 4 days younger than I am. He also played college baseball. For those reasons alone, I can, should and will mock him and his health problems.

If he dies, I'll apologize.

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 03:43 PM
"They boast six national titles in their history and their last national championship was in the 1998 college football season."


BTW, SU. I love that you completely missed the point of my post. What exactly is a national Championship in college football? I wouldn't expect you to have understood since my post didn't come with pop up pictures.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 03:44 PM
im happy for whit to stay too. he has a losing record against byu.

:(

Can I recammend our newest forum to you?

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 03:44 PM
I am not making any excuses. I am simply proving to you that Whit could have had many a BCS job before now. Tennessee is indubitably one of the dozen best jobs in the country. He interviewed for it and they offered it. He turned it down. This is called reasoning. Of course you have to not be too limited in your horizon to even know much about Tennessee football. That's the predicate.

Strike 2. Still don't get it.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 03:45 PM
"They boast six national titles in their history and their last national championship was in the 1998 college football season."


BTW, SU. I love that you completely missed the point of my post. What exactly is a national Chamionship in college football? I wouldn't expect you to have understood since my post didn't come with pop up pictures.

You're dissembling. But your dissemble is right, because personally I regard Utah as having one and BYU as having 0 NC's, based on a holistic analysis.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 03:46 PM
Urban Meyer is going through some serious health issues right now. Real classy for you to mock them.

:(

3D recommended a new forum that I think you might want to check out.

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 03:47 PM
You're dissembling. But your dissemble is right, because personally I regard Utah as having one and BYU as having 0 NC's, based on a holistic analysis.

You're out. You just lost the game. For someone who really likes to hear himself speak, you don't listen or read very well. Joseph Smith would be very ashamed of you. I'm disappointed as well.

Color Me Badd Fan
01-15-2010, 03:50 PM
You are a typically parochial BYU fan.

Tennessee Volunteers football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football)

It looks like Tennessee earned the prestigious Litkenhous polling national championship trophy in 1967.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 03:54 PM
It looks like Tennessee earned the prestigious Litkenhous polling national championship trophy in 1967.

Irony alert.

LA Ute
01-15-2010, 03:58 PM
What do you think will happen first? Whit takes another job (college or NFL)? Or Bronco hangs 'em up (per his statements about not wanting to coach long)?

Depends on when Bronco gets called to the Seventy.

(Seriously, Utah, as a "mid-major," has a legit fear that a successful coach will leave. BYU doesn't have to worry about that - good for the Y, that's lucky. What we Ute fans hope about KW is that he will be the rare Ute coach who will stya a long, long time. I would be disappointed, but not surprised, if he did leave for a big job somewhere else some day.)

Coastal Ute
01-15-2010, 03:59 PM
im happy for whit to stay too. he has a losing record against byu.

It's just a hunch, but I think that record will change in the next few years. ;)

Surfah
01-15-2010, 03:59 PM
It looks like Tennessee earned the prestigious Litkenhous polling national championship trophy in 1967.

They claim that one but these other 8 didn't make the cut (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/tennessee/all_national_champs.php).


Tennessee has also been awarded unrecognized national championships by various organizations in eight additional years: 1914, 1927, 1928, 1931, 1939, 1956, 1985, and 1989

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 04:00 PM
Urban Meyer is going through some serious health issues right now. Real classy for you to mock them.

Yeah, he is going through Tebow withdrawl syndrome.

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 04:02 PM
(Seriously, Utah, as a "mid-major," has a legit fear that a successful coach will leave. BYU doesn't have to worry about that - good for the Y, that's lucky. What we Ute fans hope about KW is that he will be the rare Ute coach who will stya a long, long time. I would be disappointed, but not surprised, if he did leave for a big job some other day.)

Damn you for having perspective.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 04:09 PM
I am not making any excuses. I am simply proving to you that Whit could have had many a BCS job before now. Tennessee is indubitably one of the dozen best jobs in the country. He interviewed for it and they offered it. He turned it down. This is called reasoning. Of course you have to not be too limited in your horizon to even know much about Tennessee football. That's the predicate.

The offer to Coach Whit was clearly done by Tennessee in desperation. He was what, the 5th or 6th choice? They didn't get the people they really wanted. Next in line was Dooley, a Louisiana Tech coach with a losing record, who took the job. That Coach Whit got an offer (if he really did) is getting no national play; just a local story in Utah.

Speaks volumes.

Coach McGuirk
01-15-2010, 04:14 PM
The offer to Coach Whit was clearly done by Tennessee in desperation. He was what, the 5th or 6th choice? They didn't get the people they really wanted. Next in line was Dooley, a Louisiana Tech coach with a losing record, who took the job. That Coach Whit got an offer (if he really did) is getting no national play; just a local story in Utah.

Speaks volumes.


Hmm, that is odd. Why does the hire story on ESPN not mention Whit, but it does everyone else that was considered?

Fiyero
01-15-2010, 04:16 PM
Even if Whit was never seriously interested in TN, it was smart of him to keep Chris Hill on his toes. Suppose the unthinkable happens and Utah has another undefeated BCS run in the next year or two (ha yeah right, dream on), Kyle can kick up his feet and say "show me the money!"

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 04:17 PM
Hmm, that is odd. Why does the hire story on ESPN not mention Whit, but it does everyone else that was considered?

I guess if ESPN doesn't report it, it didn't happen:rolleyes:

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 04:18 PM
The offer to Coach Whit was clearly done by Tennessee in desperation. He was what, the 5th or 6th choice? They didn't get the people they really wanted. Next in line was Dooley, a Louisiana Tech coach with a losing record, who took the job. That Coach Whit got an offer (if he really did) is getting no national play; just a local story in Utah.

Speaks volumes.

Are you trying to give SU a stroke?

Surfah
01-15-2010, 04:19 PM
The offer to Coach Whit was clearly done by Tennessee in desperation. He was what, the 5th or 6th choice? They didn't get the people they really wanted. Next in line was Dooley, a Louisiana Tech coach with a losing record, who took the job. That Coach Whit got an offer (if he really did) is getting no national play; just a local story in Utah.

Speaks volumes.

This surprised me too. I haven't heard anything about Whit rejecting the Vols except on this board.

BoylenOver
01-15-2010, 04:21 PM
The offer to Coach Whit was clearly done by Tennessee in desperation. He was what, the 5th or 6th choice? They didn't get the people they really wanted. Next in line was Dooley, a Louisiana Tech coach with a losing record, who took the job. That Coach Whit got an offer (if he really did) is getting no national play; just a local story in Utah.

Speaks volumes.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/01/utahs-whittingham-reportedly-was-offered-tennessee-job/1

Sources: La. Tech's Dooley on verge of becoming Tennessee Volunteers' coach - ESPN

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/01/15/2010-01-15_report_derek_dooley_tennessee.html

Three articles from three different national sources mention Whittingham. Huh.

Coach McGuirk
01-15-2010, 04:24 PM
I guess if ESPN doesn't report it, it didn't happen:rolleyes:

Honestly, I didn't mean that as smack at all. It just doesn't make sense. I read about the offer earlier today on ESPN and they attributed the story to the SL Trib. But now they are not mentioning it. Just seems weird.

Coach McGuirk
01-15-2010, 04:25 PM
Sources: La. Tech's Dooley on verge of becoming Tennessee Volunteers' coach - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4829107)




This is the one I saw earlier.

il Padrino Ute
01-15-2010, 04:25 PM
It's always better to have a coach that other schools want.

Coach McGuirk
01-15-2010, 04:27 PM
It's always better to have a coach that other schools want.


absolutely. I would rather they want my assistants though. Just for peace of mind.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 04:28 PM
Even if Whit was never seriously interested in TN, it was smart of him to keep Chris Hill on his toes. Suppose the unthinkable happens and Utah has another undefeated BCS run in the next year or two (ha yeah right, dream on), Kyle can kick up his feet and say "show me the money!"

So Coach Whit is some kind of manipulative SOB that leads others on for his own benefit?

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 04:30 PM
This surprised me too. I haven't heard anything about Whit rejecting the Vols except on this board.

I have zero doubt that he actually got on offer but to suggest he was above #5 Football on Tennessee's "Five priorities" list makes it a slap in the face. I think the list went something like this...

1. Boom-Defensive Coordinator at Texas = Faith
2. Calhoun-Head Coach at Air Force = Education
3. Lovie Smith-Head Coach of the Bears = Friends
4. Sumlin Head Coach at Houston = Family
5. Cutcliff-Head Coach at Duke = FOOTBALL
6. Whitt-Head Coach at Utah = Condoms
7. Dooley HC at La. Tech = Laundry Detergent

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 04:31 PM
Honestly, I didn't mean that as smack at all. It just doesn't make sense. I read about the offer earlier today on ESPN and they attributed the story to the SL Trib. But now they are not mentioning it. Just seems weird.

I think there was little time that he was a candidate. Calhoon considered the job for a day or so, as did Dukes coach so the cycle was longer. All I could see on Whittingham was that he was offered the job yesterday and declined. I don't think many national guys knew that he was even offered the job until they learned that he delcined.

il Padrino Ute
01-15-2010, 04:34 PM
absolutely. I would rather they want my assistants though. Just for peace of mind.

Very true.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 04:36 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/01/utahs-whittingham-reportedly-was-offered-tennessee-job/1

Sources: La. Tech's Dooley on verge of becoming Tennessee Volunteers' coach - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4829107)

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/01/15/2010-01-15_report_derek_dooley_tennessee.html

Three articles from three different national sources mention Whittingham. Huh.

Two of those articles source back to the SLTib article, one using the word "reportedly." That is no endorsement of the story coming out of Utah. The NYDaily News article doesn't mention an offer being made Coach Whit, only that he was on the list.

I wonder if an offer was really made. Even if one was made, Tennessee was clearly on page two of its list. Still, let's first confirm an offer was made.

Fiyero
01-15-2010, 04:37 PM
So Coach Whit is some kind of manipulative SOB that leads others on for his own benefit?

Well even if he's not seriously interested, he's still willing to hear their pitch. Who wouldn't? Suppose there was a company that you didn't care for, but suspected they wanted to double your salary, and contacted you and offered to fly out to you and meet with you about it. What's wrong with hearing them out, considering that at the very least it would increase your future leverage? Jeez it's not like returning a five-year stained rug to CostCo.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 04:40 PM
Well even if he's not seriously interested, he's still willing to hear their pitch. Who wouldn't? Suppose there was a company that you didn't care for, but suspected they wanted to double your salary, and contacted you and offered to fly out to you and meet with you about it. What's wrong with hearing them out, considering that at the very least it would increase your future leverage?

You describe someone that isn't totally satisfied with his/her job.

This is a high-profile college football job. People are going to find out about his interest. Two jobs come up and Coach Whit throws his name into the ring.

Is he all that happy at Utah? Or does he just like playing the field?

Fiyero
01-15-2010, 04:52 PM
Well he's always said that he's happy at Utah, just like Urban Meyer and Rick Majerus always said. But from a competitive standpoint, he knows that there's a glass ceiling in the MWC and he's already hit it. I'm sure it's natural to feel curious, especially seeing how well his predecessor has fared.

Blueintheface
01-15-2010, 04:57 PM
Well he's always said that he's happy at Utah, just like Urban Meyer and Rick Majerus always said. But from a competitive standpoint, he knows that there's a glass ceiling in the MWC and he's already hit it. I'm sure it's natural to feel curious, especially seeing how well his predecessor has fared.

I view it as his expectation that the MWC will at some point get a place in the Pantheon of the BCS. Patterson also turned down a job and maybe they both have a bit of hope or even knowledge that perhaps we lonely wanderers don't have, that the MWC will earn an autobid in the near long term.

LA Ute
01-15-2010, 04:57 PM
Damn you for having perspective.

Every now and then I slip up.

UtahDan
01-15-2010, 05:21 PM
We all know that there is really only one job that would cause Whit to leave Utah. My guess is that Whit is biding him time until Bronco goes to the NFL.

Did the linebackers coach job open up in Philly?

MartyFunkhouser
01-15-2010, 05:25 PM
Whit could have had a legit BCS opportunity before now. You're always so full of shit.

Okay which legit BcS school has offered him a job. Prior to last season, I doubt he was on the radar of any of these schools and I don't remember him getting any offers last year from these schools.

MartyFunkhouser
01-15-2010, 05:28 PM
I am not making any excuses. I am simply proving to you that Whit could have had many a BCS job before now. Tennessee is indubitably one of the dozen best jobs in the country. He interviewed for it and they offered it. He turned it down. This is called reasoning. Of course you have to not be too limited in your horizon to even know much about Tennessee football. That's the predicate.

Tennessee is not a top 12 job. It is probably the 5th best job in the SEC behind Florida, Alabama, Georgia, and LSU.

ewth8tr
01-15-2010, 05:46 PM
Okay which legit BcS school has offered him a job. Prior to last season, I doubt he was on the radar of any of these schools and I don't remember him getting any offers last year from these schools.
Take out the word legit and Baylor qualifies :) . Didn't they offer him back when he was still the DC at Utah?

Fiyero
01-15-2010, 05:47 PM
I haven't heard anything about Whit rejecting the Vols except on this board.

Now a lead story.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_14200131


More money and a chance to coach in a BCS conference wasn't enough to convince Utah coach Kyle Whittingham to leave the Utah Utes.

Whittingham, who recently completed his fifth season as head coach of the Utes, met with Tennessee officials Thursday night and turned down an offer to become the Vols head coach Friday morning.

Utah associate athletic director Liz Abel said Whittingham was maintaining his policy of not commenting on job searches or coaching offers. Whittingham did not return calls to his cell phone.

Whittingham, 47-17 as the Utes' head coach, joined a long list of coaches who turned down the Vols. Texas defensive coordinator Will Muschamp, Air Force coach Troy Calhoun, Duke coach David Cutcliffe and former NFL coach Jon Gruden all declined offers.

Candidates were being offered $3-4 million to replace Lane Kiffin, who recently accepted an offer to become the head coach at USC, a position which opened when Pete Carroll was hired by the Seattle Seahawks.

Whittingham signed a 5-year contract five days before the Utes beat Alabama 31-17 in the Sugar Bowl that pays him $1.2 million in base salary and incentives.

Whittingham's name has been linked to several job openings at BCS schools, including Florida and USC. The Tennessee offer is the first confirmed offer for Whittingham.

Even so, having his name on many potential candidate lists is an indication that Whittingham has gone from being a little known coach outside of the west when he was hired to being a highly respected coach following the Utes' undefeated 2008 season.

He was named the 2008 National Coach of the Year by the American Football Coaches Association and the Paul "Bear" Bryant Awards committee after leading the Utes to a 13-0 record and a No. 2 final national ranking in the AP poll.

Recently, the Utes finished the 2009 season 10-3 and extended their bowl winning streak to nine games by beating Cal 37-27 in the Poinsettia Bowl. The Utes were ranked No. 18 in the final Associated Press and USA Today/Coaches polls.

Utah athletic director Chris Hill refused to speak specifically about the Tennessee job but said he was thrilled to have Whittingham as his head football coach.

"I really don't comment on any specific jobs but from time to time people are going to come after Kyle and he has done a wonderful job," he said. "I'm really happy and excited he is our coach. From my standpoint you either are going to have a coach a lot of people want or nobody wants. Give me a coach everybody wants and I'll deal with that stress any day."

According to the terms his contract, Whittingham automatically earned a year's extension because the Utes won at least nine games this season, making his contract good through the 2014 season.

He also picked up a $10,000 bonus for being ranked in the Top 25 during the season and $50,000 bonus for finishing the season ranked in the Top 25.

Surfah
01-15-2010, 06:11 PM
Now a lead story.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_14200131

I meant a national story. Everything out there comes from the Trib. This isn't a big deal outside of Utah.

LA Ute
01-15-2010, 06:14 PM
Now a lead story.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_14200131


"From my standpoint you either are going to have a coach a lot of people want or nobody wants. Give me a coach everybody wants and I'll deal with that stress any day."

Kinda hard to disagree with that.

I like Whitt's approach. The one thing about Majerus that always grated on me was his annual willingness to be publicly romanced by other programs. It cannot have helped recruiting.

Coastal Ute
01-15-2010, 06:31 PM
Funk, did my ears deceive me? Not on the radar? You've GOT to be kidding me.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 06:40 PM
"From my standpoint you either are going to have a coach a lot of people want or nobody wants. Give me a coach everybody wants and I'll deal with that stress any day."

Kinda hard to disagree with that.

I like Whitt's approach. The one thing about Majerus that always grated on me was his annual willingness to be publicly romanced by other programs. It cannot have helped recruiting.

How is Coach Whit's approach different in this matter? He put his name out there for these jobs.

I still wonder if there was a legitimate offer on the table.

Like I said, even if there was an offer, Coach Whit was number 7-10 on the list. A desperation move by Tennessee.

BlueHair
01-15-2010, 07:09 PM
Kyle listened to the Tennessee offer, went to the temple, got the answer that he should take the job, informed his family they were moving, called Tennessee to accept the job, then changed his mind. He is staying at Utah.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 07:34 PM
ESPN's reporting seems to be at odds with the SLTib. Coach Whit was considered among others, but Tennessee wanted a young, up-and-coming coach and it came down to three candidates:

Dooley at LA Tech
Sumlin at Houston
Golden at Temple

They chose Dooley.

Derek Dooley named Tennessee Volunteers head coach - ESPN

LA Ute
01-15-2010, 07:36 PM
How is Coach Whit's approach different in this matter? He put his name out there for these jobs.

I still wonder if there was a legitimate offer on the table.

Like I said, even if there was an offer, Coach Whit was number 7-10 on the list. A desperation move by Tennessee.

Hey, no need to get all smack-y about this. ;)

Majerus' dalliances were always public. These discussions came out only after KW said no.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 07:53 PM
Hey, no need to get all smack-y about this. ;)

Majerus' dalliances were always public. These discussions came out only after KW said no.

What? Coach Whit put is name in the hat for the USC job, and he was being mentioned for Tennessee. He's getting a reputation. He doesn't sound all that happy with Utah. Even his wife was tweeting about the Tennessee possibilities.

If Team Whit was my spouse, I'd be watching the banking accounts.

woot
01-15-2010, 07:56 PM
ESPN's reporting seems to be at odds with the SLTib. Coach Whit was considered among others, but Tennessee wanted a young, up-and-coming coach and it came down to three candidates:

Dooley at LA Tech
Sumlin at Houston
Golden at Temple

They chose Dooley.

Derek Dooley named Tennessee Volunteers head coach - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4830127)

An article on ESPN earlier today mentioned Whitt having turned them down. Of course the Vols will try to put a positive spin on hiring their 10th choice.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 08:00 PM
An article on ESPN earlier today mentioned Whitt having turned them down. Of course the Vols will try to put a positive spin on hiring their 10th choice.

Yeah, someone mentioned that earlier, but now it is gone. I bet that was based solely on reporting from the SLTrib. Perhaps they rethought relying on that reporting. Very curious.

Jarid in Cedar
01-15-2010, 08:06 PM
Yeah, someone mentioned that earlier, but now it is gone. I bet that was based solely on reporting from the SLTrib. Perhaps they rethought relying on that reporting. Very curious.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4830127

For those too lazy to check the link:


KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Tennessee's whirlwind search for a new coach ended Friday with the Volunteers hiring Derek Dooley of Louisiana Tech.

Dooley was introduced Friday night, saying he learned early that Tennessee was the essence of college football.

He also promised he will not try to sell Tennessee in a sound bite, perhaps a welcome dig at Lane Kiffin, who wound up reprimanded by the Southeastern Conference for his comments. Dooley promised to build the program with a foundation of integrity.

Like his predecessor -- Kiffin -- he comes with a short head coaching resume.

The son of former Georgia coach Vince Dooley, Derek Dooley went 17-20 in three seasons at Louisiana Tech and was the only coach in major college football to also serve as his school's athletic director. He holds a law degree and previously worked for several years under Nick Saban at LSU and with the Miami Dolphins, including as a recruiter for the Tigers.

"Derek is one of the bright young coaches in America. He understands our league and the competitive environment in which we compete," Tennessee athletic director Mike Hamilton said. "He took a very difficult first head coaching job and has made significant strides there in a short period of time.

"He is incredibly bright, a tireless recruiter and excellent on-the-field coach."

"Louisiana Tech University and the Ruston community will always hold a special place in my heart," Dooley said in a statement Friday. "The foundation for success has been established and a bright future lies ahead for the university and the athletics program."

The Volunteers hired him just days after Kiffin abruptly quit, bolting to Southern California only 14 months into his tenure with the Vols. Dooley was hired from a list of candidates that was believed to include Texas defensive coordinator Will Muschamp, Air Force coach Troy Calhoun, Duke coach David Cutcliffe and Utah coach Kyle Whittingham.

Aside from his pedigree, Tennessee's attraction to the 41-year-old Dooley includes the time he spent working as an assistant and recruiter for Saban. Still, his limited head coaching experience makes him -- like Kiffin, whose only head coaching stint prior to Tennessee was a brief, bad one with the Oakland Raiders -- a somewhat risky pick.

Dooley's uncle, former North Carolina and Virginia Tech coach Bill Dooley, voiced support for his nephew.

"I think he'll do well anywhere he goes, and at Tennessee, he would do very well," Bill Dooley said in a phone interview from his home in Wilmington, N.C. "When you get a law degree, it gives you a little notch up. He's got his feet on the ground. He's levelheaded.

Dooley's father, Vince, who coached at rival Georgia from 1964 to 1988 and won the 1980 national title, did not return a call to his cell phone seeking comment.

Derek Dooley worked as LSU's recruiting coordinator and tight ends coach from 2000 through 2003's signing day, landing classes rated No. 1 in 2001 and 2003. He coached LSU's running backs and special teams in 2003 and 2004.

He followed Saban to the Dolphins as tight ends coach in 2005 and 2006 before leaving for Louisiana Tech in December 2006.

Dooley was a receiver in college at Virginia. After earning his law degree from Georgia, he worked as an attorney for two years before starting his coaching career at Georgia in 1996 as a graduate assistant. He also worked as assistant recruiting coordinator at SMU from 1997-99 until being hired by Saban.

He went to Louisiana Tech in December 2006 as one of the youngest coaches in FBS and added the athletic director title in March 2008. He led the Bulldogs to their first bowl victory in more than three decades, beating Northern Illinois at the 2008 Independence Bowl.

"We are grateful for the contributions that Derek made to Louisiana Tech Athletics and we wish him luck in his new position," Louisiana Tech President Dan Reneau said.

Louisiana Tech has appointed offensive coordinator Frank Scelfo to be its interim football coach and formed a committee to find a full-time replacement for Dooley.



Can this go to bed MBN or are you going to keep trolling all night?

falafel
01-15-2010, 08:42 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4830127

For those too lazy to check the link:



Can this go to bed MBN or are you going to keep trolling all night?

In MBN's defense, that quote doesn't confirm that he was offered the job. Just that he was a candidate. And it doesn't even say that they interviewed him.

Maybe I was a candidate. I'm bummed I didn't get the job. :(

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 08:48 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4830127

For those too lazy to check the link:



Can this go to bed MBN or are you going to keep trolling all night?

All I've ever said is that this is a local Utah story and that I find it curious that no national service is reporting that Coach Whit was offered the job and turned it down. Fox's report is similar to others in that it puts Coach Whit on the list of candidates, but says nothing about him getting an offer.

Who are the SLTrib's sources? Could they be mistaken about the offer? Did Tennessee fly Coach Whit to Knoxville to talk? It seems that would happen before any serious offer was put forward. Maybe there was some preliminary talk but no real offer was made, but Team Whit saw it as an offer. I would think that if a serous offer (with contract) was put forward, the national services would know about it and mention it.

The Knoxville News Sentinel, which is obviously very close to the process, noted Coach Whit was a finalist, but said nothing about him even being interviewed for the job. It says the final choice was between Dooley and Tenn Assistant Coach Kippy Brown.

Don't you find this curious? Why would Tennessee cover up an offer to Coach Whit, but acknowledge those made to other candidates?

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 08:49 PM
In MBN's defense, that quote doesn't confirm that he was offered the job. Just that he was a candidate. And it doesn't even say that they interviewed him.

Maybe I was a candidate. I'm bummed I didn't get the job. :(

A real candidate would know the words to "Rocky Top" by heart.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 09:30 PM
This is an odd timeline. The SLTrib reports that Tennessee offered Coach Whit the job on Thursday evening. Yet, this Knoxville News Sentinel report (http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2010/jan/14/source-cutcliffe-has-not-been-hired-ut/?partner=popular) had leading candidate Duke Coach David Cutcliffe forming his new Tennessee staff the same evening. When asked about these reports, Tennessee Athletic Director Mike Hamilton said that no offers had been made to anyone. That was thursday evening.

The next day (Friday, January 15), this Knoxville News Sentinel report (http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2010/jan/15/report-cutcliffe-stay-duke/?partner=popular) has the following:


“After much thought and consideration, Karen and I reached the decision that Duke is the place for our family,” Cutcliffe said in a statement issued through the school.

ESPN confirms this same statement the same day.

What happened here? Are we supposed to believe that Tennessee had two offers out there, one to Coach Whit (which only the SLC papers are reporting) and another to Cutcliffe, the leading candidate at the time and which was known nationally? Why didn't Coach Whit make a similar public announcement about his decision to stay at Utah? Instead he isn't responding to questions.

Something doesn't add up here.

TripletDaddy
01-15-2010, 09:33 PM
A real candidate would know the words to "Rocky Top" by heart.

GyADYqqsO1A

Fiyero
01-15-2010, 09:36 PM
Something doesn't add up here.

It's simple: media honks like Craig James and Kirk Herbstreit can't stop wetting themselves over the SEC, but most coaches don't buy the hype. It's not an exclusive fraternity that they should be honored to join. Kiffin bolted for the Pac-10; then two MWC coaches turned down the job, as did ACC and C-USA coaches. In the end they had to settle on a WAC coach with a losing record.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 09:42 PM
I'm totally amped that a Ute coach got an offer from a major program like Tennesee and rejected the offer. What a distinction. Tennessee is a more prestigious program than Florida. This means that we're officially NOT a stepping stone school. Something subtle but dramtic was altered in the cosmos today. Utah is not Texas Tech, Wazu, or Iowa.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 09:44 PM
It's simple: media honks like Craig James and Kirk Herbstreit can't stop wetting themselves over the SEC, but most coaches don't buy the hype. It's not an exclusive fraternity that they should be honored to join. Kiffin bolted for the Pac-10; then two MWC coaches turned down the job, as did ACC and C-USA coaches. In the end they had to settle on a WAC coach with a losing record.

So, the establishment media doesn't want to report that a MWC coach turned down the SEC? Calhoun did so via a public announcement and it was covered nationally. Why is Coach Whit silent on this? If he had an offer, why not announce that he was staying put at Utah?

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 09:45 PM
GyADYqqsO1A

Anne, a proud member of Vol Nation.

YouTube- Rocky Top Tennessee!

Fiyero
01-15-2010, 09:47 PM
So, the establishment media doesn't want to report that a MWC coach turned down the SEC? Calhoun did so via a public announcement and it was covered nationally. Why is Coach Whit silent on this? If he had an offer, why not announce that he was staying put at Utah?

It's Friday; Skybox was already booked. Moreover he tried to keep the issue under the radar. TN came to him, he agreed to meet, then he declined almost immediately, and all was said and done before many people caught wind of it. A few publications may have reported that he was on their list, but they were never on his list and still aren't.

falafel
01-15-2010, 09:49 PM
It's Friday; Skybox was already booked. Moreover he tried to keep the issue under the radar. TN came to him, he agreed to meet, then he declined almost immediately, and all was said and done before many people caught wind of it. A few publications may have reported that he was on their list, but they were never on his list and still aren't.

Then his wife made two tweets about it.

myboynoah
01-15-2010, 09:55 PM
It's Friday; Skybox was already booked. Moreover he tried to keep the issue under the radar. TN came to him, he agreed to meet, then he declined almost immediately, and all was said and done before many people caught wind of it. A few publications may have reported that he was on their list, but they were never on his list and still aren't.

Yeah, that's right. A big time program like Tennessee is looking for a coach, ESPN et al are following every more, the local Knoxville paper is following every move, but this offer to Coach Whit goes unoticed, as does his turning it down. Yet all other interviews and moves are covered completely.

Coach Whit won't answer any questions.

Speaks real volumes.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 10:05 PM
Yeah, that's right. A big time program like Tennessee is looking for a coach, ESPN et al are following every more, the local Knoxville paper is following every move, but this offer to Coach Whit goes unoticed, as does his turning it down. Yet all other interviews and moves are covered completely.

Coach Whit won't answer any questions.

Speaks real volumes.

So you are accusing Whit of lying. Actually, you are accusing Whit of telling quite a spectacular lie. Okay, let's examine your accusation that Whit has told a collosal lie. Are you saying: The interview didn't happen? He didn't get an offer? Why would he lie about this? Is Tennessee denying it? Why would Tennessee's interests be served by NOT denying it if it weren't true?

I think you're speaking gibberish.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 10:09 PM
Fiyero, if this wasn't a huge historic development BYU fans wouldn't be trying to concoct a story that Whit lost his marbles and lied about an interiew with and job offer from Tennessee.

I mean, this isn't like, "I got this book from a golden book. Whoops! An angel took the gold book away. But trust your feelings." Whit's representation can be checked.

SeattleUte
01-15-2010, 10:14 PM
Apparently the Deseret News is in on the conspiracy:


The Deseret News has confirmed that Tennessee officials flew to Utah Thursday night and met with Whittingham, who slept on the offer and decided to decline it Friday morning.

So, according to certain BYU fans like noah, the Deseret News is lying. Why? It can only be to make it look like an LDS coach got an offer from a huge college football program. It should make good church news fodder. Why else whould the Deseret News tell such a lie?

myboynoah
01-16-2010, 12:37 AM
I'm just trying to figure out what is going on. Apparently no one here has any answers.

Since Coach Whit is not talking to the media, he can't be the source of those stories, and isn't telling any lies. Who is the source of those stories? Unamed sources telling us about offers that no once else is reporting. Did Coach Whit really turn down anything?

You'd think a program as proud as Utah's would hold a press conference to show that their coach is turning down the SEC and staying put. What a public relations coup. Whomever is in charge up there should be fired.

This remains a local story.

myboynoah
01-16-2010, 05:34 AM
So you are accusing Whit of lying. Actually, you are accusing Whit of telling quite a spectacular lie. Okay, let's examine your accusation that Whit has told a collosal lie. Are you saying: The interview didn't happen? He didn't get an offer? Why would he lie about this? Is Tennessee denying it? Why would Tennessee's interests be served by NOT denying it if it weren't true?

I think you're speaking gibberish.


Fiyero, if this wasn't a huge historic development BYU fans wouldn't be trying to concoct a story that Whit lost his marbles and lied about an interiew with and job offer from Tennessee.

I mean, this isn't like, "I got this book from a golden book. Whoops! An angel took the gold book away. But trust your feelings." Whit's representation can be checked.


Apparently the Deseret News is in on the conspiracy:



So, according to certain BYU fans like noah, the Deseret News is lying. Why? It can only be to make it look like an LDS coach got an offer from a huge college football program. It should make good church news fodder. Why else whould the Deseret News tell such a lie?

Hey look, I can understand your reasons for responding in such a way. At once proud that a legendary program like Tennessee would show interest in your coach, but then anxious and unhappy that he has put his name out there for three openings, seemingly unfulfilled with his lot at Utah. It is very much a lose-lose situation, so fans are ready to believe uncorroborated reports coming from unknown sources about an offer that is only being reported in SLC. It's like what Michael J. Fox's character said in that silly movie, The American President. Some folks are so thirsty "they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

But lets assume the best case and accept the SLTrib report at its word. That would indicate a very fine time line by Tennessee, making the offer a desparate one. In order for them to have made an offer to Coach Whit on Thursday night, they would have had to have learned that Cutcliffe was pulling out that same evening (Cutcliffe didn't make a press announcement until the next morning). Suddenly they offer Coach Whit, having hardly even talked to him and before having interviewed the current interim coach, Kippy Brown. Such desperation, making a quick offer to the seventh choice on the fly. The legendary Tennessee program had come fully unhinged.

Next stop: the coach of a WAC doormat with a losing record.

DrumNFeather
01-16-2010, 07:09 AM
So, Whit's wife allegedly has a twitter account eh? Really? REALL? I've got to wonder who is out there hanging on every word the coaches wife has to say. Me thinks this smells a little like the troll on Wikipedia that listed Coach Whits employer as the University of Tennessee on Thursday night.

LA Ute
01-16-2010, 08:30 AM
GyADYqqsO1A

Hack (http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpost.php?p=266044&postcount=128)!


What? Coach Whit put is name in the hat for the USC job, and he was being mentioned for Tennessee. He's getting a reputation. He doesn't sound all that happy with Utah. Even his wife was tweeting about the Tennessee possibilities.

You are clearly having fun. But anyone who really was paying attention during the Majerus years knows there is no comparison.

BTW, you are old enough, I think, to remember when LaVelle talked with Missouri?

SeattleUte
01-16-2010, 11:08 AM
BTW, you are old enough, I think, to remember when LaVelle talked with Missouri?

lol That's the best suitor he got?

Clark Addison
01-16-2010, 11:30 AM
lol That's the best suitor he got?

Well, he was offered a job to be the Head Coach of the Detroit Lions, but that is aruguably worse than Missouri.

LA Ute
01-16-2010, 11:31 AM
lol That's the best suitor he got?

I don't know. I just remember the panic.

I.J. Reilly
01-16-2010, 01:16 PM
Then his wife made two tweets about it.

This is actually the thing I find most odd. The wife of the coach publicly commenting on an outstanding job offer doesn't seem to be common form. Perhaps I am just out of date on this.

Also, I went and searched for the tweets but could not find an account that belonged to her with those tweets. I did find one for JaimWhitt, but there were no tweets on it. It had zero followers and followed only Utah athletics, and her oldest son and daughter. The son hasn't posted in months and the daughter appears to be best friends with Brian Johnson.

Interestingly enough, the daughter had a post yesterday at 9:36am saying, "money isnt everything :)," which would have been approximately two hours before her mother posted the same thing, per CJ's OP. The daughter's post would have been about 1/2 hour after Jamie posted, "Vol Nation.......hmmmmmmmm." This courtship appears to have been very short lived.

myboynoah
01-16-2010, 03:53 PM
You are clearly having fun. But anyone who really was paying attention during the Majerus years knows there is no comparison.

BTW, you are old enough, I think, to remember when LaVelle talked with Missouri?

Believe me, LA, dosing out harsh reality to my good friends is not fun, but a job that must be done. We need to embrace a rigorous search for truth no matter where it may lead.

Per Lavell the Saint, I don't think he was ever offered the Missouri job, but he was offered the Miami job, before it was taken by Howard Schnellenberger. As reported here, he was also offered the Detroit Lions job. In both cases he was approached, he did not put his name out there as Coach Whit has. He was very open about the process. It was after these two offers that he put the word out that he was happy in Provo and he became a legendary NCAA coach, leading the Cougars to a National Championship and coaching a Heisman Trophy winner (among many other significant accomplishments).

Aren't you the least bit curious as to why Coach Whit refuses to address questions about his employment talks with other programs? What is he trying to hide? Sadly, Ute Fans are left to rely on Dick Harmon and his unnamed sources.

myboynoah
01-16-2010, 04:04 PM
There is an interesting poll on ESPN in the lower left on this page (just follow the link).
SportsNation Polls - SportsNation - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=46&sCat=976)

The poll raises some obvious issues?


Is there anybody out there to whom Tennessee didn't offer the job?
The caveat "If reports are true in each case" is an apparent swipe at the reporting coming out of SLC. ESPN doesn't trust it.
Coach Whit's inclusion is total disrespect to Utah, screaming "How could he not make that jump!?!?!?"

LA Ute
01-16-2010, 04:15 PM
Believe me, LA, dosing out harsh reality to my good friends is not fun, but a job that must be done. We need to embrace a rigorous search for truth no matter where it may lead.

I am so ashamed to have questioned you. What was I thinking?

il Padrino Ute
01-16-2010, 04:17 PM
There is an interesting poll on ESPN in the lower left on this page (just follow the link).
SportsNation Polls - SportsNation - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=46&sCat=976)

The poll raises some obvious issues?


Is there anybody out there to whom Tennessee didn't offer the job?
The caveat "If reports are true in each case" is an apparent swipe at the reporting coming out of SLC. ESPN doesn't trust it.
Coach Whit's inclusion is total disrespect to Utah, screaming "How could he not make that jump!?!?!?"



It speaks volume that only 14% of those responding felt Tennessee is a better job than Utah.

myboynoah
01-16-2010, 04:20 PM
It speaks volume that only 14% of those responding felt Tennessee is a better job than Utah.

Yeah, you could interpret it that way. Or people might be saying "Whit who?" or they are puzzled why Cuttcliffe, with his ties to Tennessee and Peyton Manning's endorsement, didn't take the job. That is a puzzler.

LA Ute
01-16-2010, 04:33 PM
It speaks volume that only 14% of those responding felt Tennessee is a better job than Utah.

I think the answer our friend is seeking is that nothing in the circumstances of the Tennessee offer to Whitt mean anything positive about KW or Utah football, and are actually more likely negative.

How'm I doing, MBN? :D

myboynoah
01-16-2010, 04:55 PM
I think the answer our friend is seeking is that nothing in the circumstances of the Tennessee offer to Whitt mean anything positive about KW or Utah football, and are actually more likely negative.

How'm I doing, MBN? :D

Not so fast my friend. I'm sure Coach Whit will parlay this "offer" into squeezing Chris Hill for more money. That's a positive.

il Padrino Ute
01-16-2010, 05:04 PM
Yeah, you could interpret it that way. Or people might be saying "Whit who?" or they are puzzled why Cuttcliffe, with his ties to Tennessee and Peyton Manning's endorsement, didn't take the job. That is a puzzler.

Well, if the fans around the country of these alleged better teams would encourage their gutless coaches to schedule the U, they'll all know who KW is. He'd be the guy who brought his team into the stadium, kicked butt without taking names and left a wake of destruction behind him.

Portland Ute
01-16-2010, 05:04 PM
This is actually the thing I find most odd. The wife of the coach publicly commenting on an outstanding job offer doesn't seem to be common form. Perhaps I am just out of date on this.

Also, I went and searched for the tweets but could not find an account that belonged to her with those tweets. I did find one for JaimWhitt, but there were no tweets on it. It had zero followers and followed only Utah athletics, and her oldest son and daughter. The son hasn't posted in months and the daughter appears to be best friends with Brian Johnson.

Interestingly enough, the daughter had a post yesterday at 9:36am saying, "money isnt everything :)," which would have been approximately two hours before her mother posted the same thing, per CJ's OP. The daughter's post would have been about 1/2 hour after Jamie posted, "Vol Nation.......hmmmmmmmm." This courtship appears to have been very short lived.

The only "tweets" i've seen are the ones posted by Whit's daughter.

Anyone have any links to Whit's wife's twitter account?

Portland Ute
01-16-2010, 05:09 PM
Believe me, LA, dosing out harsh reality to my good friends is not fun, but a job that must be done. We need to embrace a rigorous search for truth no matter where it may lead.

Per Lavell the Saint, I don't think he was ever offered the Missouri job, but he was offered the Miami job, before it was taken by Howard Schnellenberger. As reported here, he was also offered the Detroit Lions job. In both cases he was approached, he did not put his name out there as Coach Whit has. He was very open about the process. It was after these two offers that he put the word out that he was happy in Provo and he became a legendary NCAA coach, leading the Cougars to a National Championship and coaching a Heisman Trophy winner (among many other significant accomplishments).

Aren't you the least bit curious as to why Coach Whit refuses to address questions about his employment talks with other programs? What is he trying to hide? Sadly, Ute Fans are left to rely on Dick Harmon and his unnamed sources.

Actually, in your search for truth, you royally screwed up the timing of his offer from the Lions and Miami which came AFTER he led bYu to the "national championship."

myboynoah
01-16-2010, 05:34 PM
Actually, in your search for truth, you royally screwed up the timing of his offer from the Lions and Miami which came AFTER he led bYu to the "national championship."

Thank you for pointing out my error (if I did indeed make a mistake). The pathway to truth can be a bumpy one. Feel free to help me blaze the trail for others.

LA Ute
01-16-2010, 05:58 PM
Thank you for pointing out my error (if I did indeed make a mistake). The pathway to truth can be a bumpy one. Feel free to help me blaze the trail for others.

This is turning into a fascinating duel between two guys from Davis County. MBN is by far the more slippery of the two. Age and cunning are at work for him, but PU is landing the blows. Not that I am biased or anything.

myboynoah
01-16-2010, 06:10 PM
This is turning into a fascinating duel between two guys from Davis County. MBN is by far the more slippery of the two. Age and cunning are at work for him, but PU is landing the blows. Not that I am biased or anything.

Are we in a fight? I welcome PU's contributions. If I'm in error, I'm not too proud to admit it. If the imagery works, then indeed, land more blows if they are needed.

LA Ute
01-16-2010, 06:43 PM
Are we in a fight? I welcome PU's contributions. If I'm in error, I'm not too proud to admit it. If the imagery works, then indeed, land more blows if they are needed.

Look, I am trying to stir up contention, and you are not helping.