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    Locke on BYU and Mendenhall

    Going along with the program/tradition theme...

    Yesterday Locke went into detail about BYU and its tradition. How Lavell did it. Why he was successful. What's happened to the college football landscape in the meantime, and how Bronco's done. He basically said Lavell struck gold with a passing offense before its time and having a rich recruiting base of LDS athletes before anyone started recruiting LDS. (First point is obvious, I mostly disagree with the second point) His final point being that Bronco's done an amazing job and has no business fielding teams as well as he has.

    I disagree. I don't think Bronco's done a bad job, but it's wrong to say he has overachieved that much. I have stated this before, but let me again. I believe BYU is a solid top 30 program. If you rank all the college football programs, we are on par with the #30ish program in terms of fan base, recruiting base, facilities, winning tradition, national recognition, etc. This is a blend of some of our strengths that are better than top 30 (QB, TE, Polynesian linemen) and weaknesses that are worse (defensive backs).

    LDS are now about 6M in the United States. That would rank as about the 18th largest state. It shows when we pull in LDS football recruits from all over the nation, not to mention BB players from New York.

    I also don't think it's as difficult as is made out to be to pull in non-LDS recruits to fill in the gaps the natural demographic has. Look at the number of non-LDS during the Lavell years and compare to recent squads. I used to keep a spreadsheet on this and the number two years after Bronco took over was the lowest of any year of the data I tracked, starting in early 90's. The all time peak of non-LDS in the program was in the late 90's. Crowton got close to that in his final year. Then the shit hit the fan and Bronco made a knee jerk reaction. That levels of non-LDS in the program have grown since Bronco's second year but still are not close to as high as it has been in the past.

    In summary, Bronco's done a fine job and maybe won more than was expected on a consistent basis the last four years straight, but we have a lot going for us as a program. And there is still room for improvement, especially in non-LDS recruiting. The future is bright.
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    If BYU is a top 30 program then Bronco has overachieved since they've been ranked in the top 25 each of the past 4 years and in the top 15 in three of four years.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
      If BYU is a top 30 program then Bronco has overachieved since they've been ranked in the top 25 each of the past 4 years and in the top 15 in three of four years.
      Agree. And I said that he has overachieved with respect to the W-L record and especially consistency over the past four years.

      My disagreement with Locke is in how much he has overachieved. Locke was using phrases like "BYU has no business winning 10 games a year", etc.

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        Originally posted by jay santos View Post
        Agree. And I said that he has overachieved with respect to the W-L record and especially consistency over the past four years.

        My disagreement with Locke is in how much he has overachieved. Locke was using phrases like "BYU has no business winning 10 games a year", etc.
        There's a caveat to your "18th Largest State" comment in that it would be, with the exception of North Dakota, the whitest state in the union. And as for the minority population within the church that we recruit from, it seems like USC and Utah are getting their fair share of these players.
        Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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          Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
          There's a caveat to your "18th Largest State" comment in that it would be, with the exception of North Dakota, the whitest state in the union. And as for the minority population within the church that we recruit from, it seems like USC and Utah are getting their fair share of these players.
          There are a lot of LDS NFL football players. And of course every university has competition for the recruits in its demographic. Most states have more than one football program. I would say we have a natural demographic that ranks favorably with peer programs in the top 20-40 range.

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            Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
            There's a caveat to your "18th Largest State" comment in that it would be, with the exception of North Dakota, the whitest state in the union. And as for the minority population within the church that we recruit from, it seems like USC and Utah are getting their fair share of these players.
            Maybe not the whitest, but the least black. The Church has a number of Hispanics, Asians and Polynesians.

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              Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
              There's a caveat to your "18th Largest State" comment in that it would be, with the exception of North Dakota, the whitest state in the union. And as for the minority population within the church that we recruit from, it seems like USC and Utah are getting their fair share of these players.
              Another caveat: they count people like me among the six million.
              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

              --Jonathan Swift

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                Originally posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
                Maybe not the whitest, but the least black. The Church has a number of Hispanics, Asians and Polynesians.
                I'm glad we have a pipeline to that demographic that's produced a total of one NFL player that I know of, Dat Nguyen. Hispanics have produced some all time greats, like Anthony Munoz and Tony Gonzalez, but the proportion of hispanic NFL players for their population numbers are significantly lower than it is for whites and blacks.

                But okay, least black may be a better way to put it.
                Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                  There are a lot of LDS NFL football players. And of course every university has competition for the recruits in its demographic. Most states have more than one football program. I would say we have a natural demographic that ranks favorably with peer programs in the top 20-40 range.
                  The natural LDS demographic produces good QBs, O-Linemen, TEs and linebackers (to a lesser extent). However it doesn't produce good DBs, WRs or DBs. I'm on the fence with defensive linemen of scandinavian descent though I suppose I shouldn't complain too much with three BYU DLinemen on NFL rosters.
                  Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                    The natural LDS demographic produces good QBs, O-Linemen, TEs and linebackers (to a lesser extent). However it doesn't produce good DBs, WRs or DBs. I'm on the fence with defensive linemen of scandinavian descent though I suppose I shouldn't complain too much with three BYU DLinemen on NFL rosters.
                    And at least one (Kruger) LDS from other schools.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                      Another caveat: they count people like me among the six million.

                      Actually, they don't. The full number is 6,000,001. You are that 1 person and you will notice that they report it as 6 million. So, no you are not counted.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                        Another caveat: they count people like me among the six million.
                        And your kids are one good home teacher away from attending BYU.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by UteStar View Post
                          Actually, they don't. The full number is 6,000,001. You are that 1 person and you will notice that they report it as 6 million. So, no you are not counted.
                          5,999,999
                          My daughter wont go there.

                          My little brother taught his 4 year old son to say "See you in Provo" right before flushing.
                          make that 5,999,998

                          While driving up from SoCal for christmas this year, they commented on going past Provo on I-15. The lad thought for a moment, then said, "So all my poo comes here?"
                          I intend to live forever.
                          So far, so good.
                          --Steven Wright

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brian View Post
                            5,999,999
                            My daughter wont go there.

                            My little brother taught his 4 year old son to say "See you in Provo" right before flushing.
                            make that 5,999,998

                            While driving up from SoCal for christmas this year, they commented on going past Provo on I-15. The lad thought for a moment, then said, "So all my poo comes here?"
                            Actually you can smell it from the freeway. It goes to Lindon.
                            "To the man who only has a hammer, everything he encounters begins to look like a nail."
                            —Abraham Maslow

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                              Another caveat: they count people like me among the six million.
                              Can you play DB?
                              PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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