Granted I don't pay attention to much about Utah other than when they are losing to BYU or TCU Kyle is obviously an excellent coach and even the most ardent red or blue goggled supporter recognizes Utah or BYU is not nor never will be ND, the SEC or other higher profile positions. I think Kyle has done just as much, if not more than Brian Kelly and had similar success to Urban before he became Tebow's fluffer. Has KW been approached for higher profile gigs and turned down the interview opportunity or has he been overlooked for some other reason?
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Originally posted by Art Vandelay View PostGranted I don't pay attention to much about Utah other than when they are losing to BYU or TCU Kyle is obviously an excellent coach and even the most ardent red or blue goggled supporter recognizes Utah or BYU is not nor never will be ND, the SEC or other higher profile positions. I think Kyle has done just as much, if not more than Brian Kelly and had similar success to Urban before he became Tebow's fluffer. Has KW been approached for higher profile gigs and turned down the interview opportunity or has he been overlooked for some other reason?"Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla
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Originally posted by Art Vandelay View PostGranted I don't pay attention to much about Utah other than when they are losing to BYU or TCU Kyle is obviously an excellent coach and even the most ardent red or blue goggled supporter recognizes Utah or BYU is not nor never will be ND, the SEC or other higher profile positions. I think Kyle has done just as much, if not more than Brian Kelly and had similar success to Urban before he became Tebow's fluffer. Has KW been approached for higher profile gigs and turned down the interview opportunity or has he been overlooked for some other reason?When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by Art Vandelay View PostGranted I don't pay attention to much about Utah other than when they are losing to BYU or TCU Kyle is obviously an excellent coach and even the most ardent red or blue goggled supporter recognizes Utah or BYU is not nor never will be ND, the SEC or other higher profile positions. I think Kyle has done just as much, if not more than Brian Kelly and had similar success to Urban before he became Tebow's fluffer. Has KW been approached for higher profile gigs and turned down the interview opportunity or has he been overlooked for some other reason?
I like a settled coach who is not looking for the next "Big Coach Job"..
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Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View PostSame question is for Bronco and Patterson.
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Originally posted by Art Vandelay View PostI think Bronco is the most understandable, I'm sure it is fairly well known in the coaching fraternity that he has stated that he views this as not only a job but a higher calling from God (so did Gerry Faust, but God didn't seem to view it the same way). Patterson would have been a very hot commodity this year, but TCU was smart and locked him up early. It just seems to me that KW is the prime candidate."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla
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Originally posted by Art Vandelay View PostGranted I don't pay attention to much about Utah other than when they are losing to BYU or TCU Kyle is obviously an excellent coach and even the most ardent red or blue goggled supporter recognizes Utah or BYU is not nor never will be ND, the SEC or other higher profile positions. I think Kyle has done just as much, if not more than Brian Kelly and had similar success to Urban before he became Tebow's fluffer. Has KW been approached for higher profile gigs and turned down the interview opportunity or has he been overlooked for some other reason?Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View PostI think Whittingham is happy where he is. I think the same for Patterson and Bronco. I do know that KSU put on a huge full court press for Patterson last year but he would not go back to his alma mater. I think he knew he had a good thing going the next couple of years at TCU and I think that making a BCS bowl game is easier to accomplish at TCU than KSU. The way that things are structured presently gives the good non-BCS schools some real leverage with great coaches. At the end of the day there are only a handful of top tier programs with legitimate National Championship chances and unless one of those programs comes calling, I think the Whits, Pattersons or Petersons can find more consistent glory at their current locations than moving to mid tier BCS programs.
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BYU has an advantage in keeping successful coaches because for an LDS coach, the BYU HC job is a sort of pinnacle. That is not a critical statement at all, just the way I think it is, and I don't blame them for feeling that way. I think LaVell could have moved to a higher-paying HC job had he wanted to (like Steve Cleveland did), but if the BYU HC does his job right he's a quasi-GA and a very adored member of the community nationwide (maybe even worldwide). I think that's just the nature of the job.
Whittingham has a somewhat similar situation but to a much, much smaller extent. He's seen by much of the fan base as "one of ours," even though he's a BYU grad.
Coug fans, do you think Bronco is safe in his job if he wins 7-8 games a year, with occasional 10+ win seasons? I do, but I don't really have a feel for the expectations of the Cougar fan base. Friends of mine who know Steve Cleveland say he had to go to the gym to work out at 4:30 a.m. just to be left alone. I imagine lots of NCAA head coaches have that problem, but it might be tougher in Provo.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Originally posted by LA Ute View PostBYU has an advantage in keeping successful coaches because for an LDS coach, the BYU HC job is a sort of pinnacle. That is not a critical statement at all, just the way I think it is, and I don't blame them for feeling that way. I think LaVell could have moved to a higher-paying HC job had he wanted to (like Steve Cleveland did), but if the BYU HC does his job right he's a quasi-GA and a very adored member of the community nationwide (maybe even worldwide). I think that's just the nature of the job.
Whittingham has a somewhat similar situation but to a much, much smaller extent. He's seen by much of the fan base as "one of ours," even though he's a BYU grad.
Coug fans, do you think Bronco is safe in his job if he wins 7-8 games a year, with occasional 10+ win seasons? I do, but I don't really have a feel for the expectations of the Cougar fan base. Friends of mine who know Steve Cleveland say he had to go to the gym to work out at 4:30 a.m. just to be left alone. I imagine lots of NCAA head coaches have that problem, but it might be tougher in Provo.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Originally posted by LA Ute View PostCoug fans, do you think Bronco is safe in his job if he wins 7-8 games a year, with occasional 10+ win seasons?
However, I doubt, barring any huge changes in conference affiliation, that is the level of success Mendenhall attains. I think he is going to stay pretty consistent in the 9-11 win seasons with fewer trips to 12 than he has trips to 7-8 wins.Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostWhat about the fact that Kyle has been more succcessful than Bronco? I'm not sure Bronco has the record to make him a "hot commodity."Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View PostLOL! Kyle looks more and more like a one year hit wonder. How could anyone not beat BYU when the qb can only complete 33% of his passes?
The MWC is lucky to have them both, and to be able to say neither one is a "flight risk" right now. It's really extraordinary when you think about it.
“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Originally posted by LA Ute View PostSmack aside, and passing over SU's occsaionally deranged views, I don't think it's fair at all to call KW a one-hit wonder. Both are fine coaches with outstanding records in a very tough arena. Bronco has a string of 10-win seasons. Kyle has a National Coach of the Year award, a very good winning record, has never lost a bowl game, and there is that 13-0 season and Sugar Bowl win.
The MWC is lucky to have them both, and to be able to say neither one is a "flight risk" right now. It's really extraordinary when you think about it.
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Originally posted by Art Vandelay View PostI think Bronco is the most understandable, I'm sure it is fairly well known in the coaching fraternity that he has stated that he views this as not only a job but a higher calling from God (so did Gerry Faust, but God didn't seem to view it the same way). Patterson would have been a very hot commodity this year, but TCU was smart and locked him up early. It just seems to me that KW is the prime candidate.
TCU is the toast of the town this season. He also knows that next season will be a similarly great run.
So rather than put out feelers this year, he agrees to a raise and a long deal, knowing that he will likely still be a hot commodity after next year...except that next year he can negotiate his BCS coaching gig off of his new, much higher base money and length of term.
If TCU has another 11 or so win season next year, I think Patterson will be gone. I am not convinced that Florida State has really settled on any long term coaching solution, for example. JoPa may retire now that Bowden is permanently in the rear-view mirror (unlikely but possible). There always seem to be vacancies.Fitter. Happier. More Productive.
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