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    I've been to several rivalry games (BYU-UT, South Carolina-Clemson (both places), UNC-NCSU, GA-FLA, Auburn-Alabama, at the TX state fair for UT-OK, but not in the Cotton Bowl for the game)) and I've been to several other places where I've been treated particularly bad - UNM, UNLV, CSU, Mississippi State,etc) Some of them were right up there with RES in terms of overall bad behavior, but the total experience at RES is by far worse than any of them. The difference - the decent fans.

    The decent human beings among the fan-base of college football teams realize that there are jackasses among them, as well, and tend to go out of their way to make up for the jackassery that visiting teams are exposed to. Besides RES, the most obnoxious behavior I've been exposed to was at Mississippi State, but coinciding with those a-holes was some of the nicest behavior. Yeah, we had drunken Baptists screaming at us that we were a cult and all going to hell and that our f-ing Cougars were going to get their f-ing butts kicked by the f-ing SEC because f-ing SEC football rules! But then we got invited to a tailgate, given quickly a beer - and then after an embarrassed moment of reflection, a sprite - and burgers, brats, dogs, etc. Similar things happen everywhere else I've been - the good guys take notice of the bad guys and try to be extra nice to correct for their bad behavior - and try to stop it if it's happening while they're around.

    This is what is missing at RES. There are some easy explanations for parts of it - a lot of UofU fans are attracted to the U as a way to show their non-mormonness. Tailgates are heavily skewed toward those that are there to drink. So if you walk on the road next to the tailgating area at RES, there are simply going to be a lot fewer of the sober tailgaters in the lot than at most schools. The boors see the family in Y gear, and run out to accost them, and there are few sober decent fans to stop them.

    This creates a bit of a problem for other fans. If no one else is going out to help put a stop to the asininity, what will happen if I do? This is especially troubling for the active-LDS Ute fans. It's us against them, but when my group obviously oversteps the lines of decency, if I do decide to step in, it looks like I'm siding with them because they're LDS. And in the eyes of fellow Ute fans, that just might be too hard for me to ever come back from. So the active LDS Ute fan watches silently as his religion is defamed and as a Cougar fan who's been behaving civilly is threatened, jostled, spit at, and called every name under the sun.

    The power lies 100% in the hands of decent Ute fans to control where this rivalry goes. So far, they're doing ABSOLUTELY nothing. They're letting the boors in their fanbase dictate their image. They all deny that this is the case, but they're 100% wrong.

    And it still all boils down to religion.

    Slam away - I've got to go get a tooth pulled, and I'm going to be in lala land for the rest of the day anyway. ;-)

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    I think we all can find what we are looking for...then we don't know what we got till its gone!

    I think that the BYU-Utah rivalry will always bring out the best in self righteousness from BYU fans and the best in boorishness from Utah fans. I believe that Max's family endured some really vile behavior. I chuckle that the kid chose to pour rat poison on the wounds of Utenation as a final testament that good will overcome evil! I also chuckle that some folks, perhaps you, need that bad behavior and that methinks you might go looking for it.
    Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
    -General George S. Patton

    I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
    -DOCTOR Wuap

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    • #3
      Originally posted by statman View Post
      I've been to several rivalry games (BYU-UT, South Carolina-Clemson (both places), UNC-NCSU, GA-FLA, Auburn-Alabama, at the TX state fair for UT-OK, but not in the Cotton Bowl for the game)) and I've been to several other places where I've been treated particularly bad - UNM, UNLV, CSU, Mississippi State,etc) Some of them were right up there with RES in terms of overall bad behavior, but the total experience at RES is by far worse than any of them. The difference - the decent fans.

      The decent human beings among the fan-base of college football teams realize that there are jackasses among them, as well, and tend to go out of their way to make up for the jackassery that visiting teams are exposed to. Besides RES, the most obnoxious behavior I've been exposed to was at Mississippi State, but coinciding with those a-holes was some of the nicest behavior. Yeah, we had drunken Baptists screaming at us that we were a cult and all going to hell and that our f-ing Cougars were going to get their f-ing butts kicked by the f-ing SEC because f-ing SEC football rules! But then we got invited to a tailgate, given quickly a beer - and then after an embarrassed moment of reflection, a sprite - and burgers, brats, dogs, etc. Similar things happen everywhere else I've been - the good guys take notice of the bad guys and try to be extra nice to correct for their bad behavior - and try to stop it if it's happening while they're around.

      This is what is missing at RES. There are some easy explanations for parts of it - a lot of UofU fans are attracted to the U as a way to show their non-mormonness. Tailgates are heavily skewed toward those that are there to drink. So if you walk on the road next to the tailgating area at RES, there are simply going to be a lot fewer of the sober tailgaters in the lot than at most schools. The boors see the family in Y gear, and run out to accost them, and there are few sober decent fans to stop them.

      This creates a bit of a problem for other fans. If no one else is going out to help put a stop to the asininity, what will happen if I do? This is especially troubling for the active-LDS Ute fans. It's us against them, but when my group obviously oversteps the lines of decency, if I do decide to step in, it looks like I'm siding with them because they're LDS. And in the eyes of fellow Ute fans, that just might be too hard for me to ever come back from. So the active LDS Ute fan watches silently as his religion is defamed and as a Cougar fan who's been behaving civilly is threatened, jostled, spit at, and called every name under the sun.

      The power lies 100% in the hands of decent Ute fans to control where this rivalry goes. So far, they're doing ABSOLUTELY nothing. They're letting the boors in their fanbase dictate their image. They all deny that this is the case, but they're 100% wrong.

      And it still all boils down to religion.

      Slam away - I've got to go get a tooth pulled, and I'm going to be in lala land for the rest of the day anyway. ;-)
      I give you 5 eye rolls. Well done!
      "In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
      "And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
      "Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DU Ute View Post
        I give you 5 eye rolls. Well done!
        So either you're saying there are no boorish utefans, or you're saying that when they do surface, they're always shouted down by the decent fans among you. Which is it?

        Neither is the case.

        There probably aren't any more boorish Utes, but virtually no one in the decent column shuts them down once they get going. the decent guys just stare wide-eyed knowing that they should do something but don't know where their allegiances should lie or what they should do...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by statman View Post
          The power lies 100% in the hands of decent Ute fans to control where this rivalry goes. So far, they're doing ABSOLUTELY nothing. They're letting the boors in their fanbase dictate their image. They all deny that this is the case, but they're 100% wrong.
          Originally posted by statman View Post
          So either you're saying there are no boorish utefans, or you're saying that when they do surface, they're always shouted down by the decent fans among you. Which is it?

          Neither is the case.

          There probably aren't any more boorish Utes, but virtually no one in the decent column shuts them down once they get going. the decent guys just stare wide-eyed knowing that they should do something but don't know where their allegiances should lie or what they should do...
          You seem to be the one dealing in absolutes here.
          "In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
          "And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
          "Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute

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          • #6
            Originally posted by statman View Post
            but virtually no one in the decent column shuts them down once they get going.
            Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've seen it done quite a bit. But thanks for over-generalizing the situation, it adds a lot to the discussion.

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            • #7
              statman, i think the difference is that we're rivals. i doubt Mississippi State fans are nearly so friendly to Ole Miss (or whoever their rival is) fans. They see us as guests and naturally want to treat us hospitably. We're not really guests at RES, and I doubt that Cougar tailgaters (either one of them) roll out the red carpet for U fans either.
              At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
              -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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              • #8
                Sincerely,

                Max Hall

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                • #9
                  Ute fans get so defensive when it's pointed out how boorish they are. Must be hiding something.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by statman View Post
                    The power lies 100% in the hands of decent Ute fans to control where this rivalry goes.
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                    • #11
                      Goatnapper was right when he said that we (BYU/Utah) collectively have the dorkiest fan base in the nation. This latest controversy is ample proof of that.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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                      • #12
                        Next year I should attend the game while dressed as a Y fan, and return and report. But the problem is that I wouldn't be actively looking for any molehill to describe as a mountain, so I doubt it would be as effective as Eddie Murphy's undercover journey as a white man.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          Goatnapper was right when he said that we (BYU/Utah) collectively have the dorkiest fan base in the nation. This latest controversy is ample proof of that.

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                          • #14
                            I swore off attending the rivalry game as a BYU fan after the debacle of 1992 and the follow-up in 1996. It just isn't worth it to me to spend that much time running from/talking to the cops. Next year I am going to return to the U as a BYU fan. I will tailgate and then go enjoy the game. I will return and report the outcome of my experiment.

                            I won't bring my wife and kids. The risk is too great.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
                              I swore off attending the rivalry game as a BYU fan after the debacle of 1992 and the follow-up in 1996. It just isn't worth it to me to spend that much time running from/talking to the cops. Next year I am going to return to the U as a BYU fan. I will tailgate and then go enjoy the game. I will return and report the outcome of my experiment.

                              I won't bring my wife and kids. The risk is too great.
                              Too great indeed, you've obviously heard what we do to small children.

                              "In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
                              "And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
                              "Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute

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