If there is a God

[jay santos]

Then there is absolute truth. There is right and wrong. There must be a moral code which God authorizes. There is in fact a way to measure righteousness or specifically the level to which someone follows God's morality. So if there is a way to measure righteousness, then there must be a way to compare two groups of people and determine which is more righteous.

Group A: goes to church, serves missions, pays tithing

Group B: pours beer on opposing fans at games


What if you're not "self-righteous" but you're just plain "righteous"?

[DU Ute]

Then there is absolute truth. There is right and wrong. There must be a moral code which God authorizes. There is in fact a way to measure righteousness or specifically the level to which someone follows God's morality. So if there is a way to measure righteousness, then there must be a way to compare two groups of people and determine which is more righteous.

Group A: goes to church, serves missions, pays tithing

Group B: pours beer on opposing fans at games


What if you're not "self-righteous" but you're just plain "righteous"?

1 Samuel 16:7

But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

[falafel]

1 Samuel 16:7

So what you're saying that he might be pouring beer on fans in righteousness, we just don't know.

[jay santos]

1 Samuel 16:7

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[DU Ute]

Righteous acts and righteousness are two very different things. Righteous acts are one indicator of righteousness, but I would hate to try and pass judgment on someone's righteousness based on their outward actions. Some pretty rotten people have gone on missions, paid tithing, etc. and I dare say some overall great people have done some very foolish things for whatever reason. Why the need to pass judgment on someone when you have such a limited knowledge of who they really are.

[jay santos]

Righteous acts and righteousness are two very different things. Righteous acts are one indicator of righteousness, but I would hate to try and pass judgment on someone's righteousness based on their outward actions. Some pretty rotten people have gone on missions, paid tithing, etc. and I dare say some overall great people have done some very foolish things for whatever reason. Why the need to pass judgment on someone when you have such a limited knowledge of who they really are.

You're talking one off examples. I'm talking in the aggregate. Should be pretty easy to make general observations like this.

[DU Ute]

You're talking one off examples. I'm talking in the aggregate. Should be pretty easy to make general observations like this.

And I'm saying it is pretty dumb to make general observations like this. The fact that you mention "self righteousness" in your first post and then start spewing this judgmental foolishness speaks volumes.

[creekster]

Righteous acts and righteousness are two very different things. Righteous acts are one indicator of righteousness, but I would hate to try and pass judgment on someone's righteousness based on their outward actions. Some pretty rotten people have gone on missions, paid tithing, etc. and I dare say some overall great people have done some very foolish things for whatever reason. Why the need to pass judgment on someone when you have such a limited knowledge of who they really are.

He's not asking you to judge, he's saying God will judge.

[Fiyero]

Matthew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the dwill of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This message is dedicated to several active, card-carrying RMs that I know.

[Solon]

There is right and wrong. There must be a moral code which God authorizes.

Not necessarily.

[creekster]

Not necessarily.

Maybe we are all just little sea monkeys in GOd's aquarium. Look what they are doing now! An honor code at a university!

[LA Ute]

I don't think it does anyone any good to keep this whole subject alive. We should be talking about a very close rivalry game decided on the last play, and about bowl matchups, next year's prospects, and the like. Instead we are talking about some very unfortunate post-game statements by one of the players. It's really gone on long enough, IMO, and more and more both sides of the argument are looking bad.

Just sayin'.

[jay santos]

I don't think it does anyone any good to keep this whole subject alive. We should be talking about a very close rivalry game decided on the last play, and about bowl matchups, next year's prospects, and the like. Instead we are talking about some very unfortunate post-game statements by one of the players. It's really gone on long enough, IMO, and more and more both sides of the argument are looking bad.

Just sayin'.

This isn't about Hall's comments. This is about I'm sick of being called self-righteous by Ute fans. Get back to me when you have higher percentage of current recommend holders.

[DU Ute]

Do you not see the irony in following this:

This isn't about Hall's comments. This is about I'm sick of being called self-righteous by Ute fans.

with this?:

Get back to me when you have higher percentage of current recommend holders.

[jay santos]

Do you not see the irony in following this:



with this?:

I don't call someone self-righteous just because they're more righteous than I am.