Nice rivalry video showing highs/lows for both teams

[kccougar]

I hadn't seen this one before.

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[JohnnyLingo]

Looks like a KSL production.

And while I like Wrubell, Paul James was great and I miss him sometimes.

Thanks for posting... I hadn't seen it, either.

[Portland Ute]

[QUOTE=kccougar;224367]I hadn't seen this one before.

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Good stuff. Thanks.

[Senioritis]

This is really cool. My view of BYU football has changed as much as Kirstie Alley's figure over the years.

I was born in 1977, and until I was 11 years old Utah only beat BYU one time, in 1978.

Here are my memories:

1983. Utah lost 55-7. I remember falling asleep.

1984 to 1986. A blur of BYU dominance. BYU just had this aura. You saw them warming up on the other half of the field, and you immediately started thinking about moral victories.

1987. For the first time, just a tiny glimmer of hope. I remember thinking BYU snuck away with one. BYU won 21-18.

1988. Talking to Fred Graves the week before the BYU game, he was giddy with excitement that we got them at home that year. I remember getting out of the car on a beautiful day, and walking up the hill from the west parking lot, for the first time feeling that Utah really had a prayer. 57-28, bitches. Glorious.

1989. 49-0 at half. I started counting down the days until Utah's once a decade win, due in 1998.

1990-1992. Blah, blah, blah. When's 1998?

1993. 1998 came five years early. Strong possibility that we get TWO this decade!

1994. I ran on the field during the pandemonium following Cal Beck's kickoff return, and stood at the south end zone for the rest of the game. Insanity when Charlie Brown scored. I couldn't believe the force of the ice balls hitting the old turf. Got Harold Lusk's wristbands. Kind of gross.

1995. For the first time, no thoughts of moral victories during pre-game. Really, this is for me when I knew things had changed. Utah absolutely violated BYU's personal space. Just a butt-kicking all around, and not a flukey butt kicking. But BYU was still BYU. Still had an aura.

1996. I was selling religion door-to-door in New Jersey, thank goodness.

1998. DOINK. Ugh.

2002. Utah wins, and promptly fires their coach, finally moving beyond the "just beat BYU" junk, at least administratively. Hasn't really trickled down to a chunk of fans, even now.

2003. Freaking shutout in LES. The ugliest, most sublime game in the history of football. The aura is finally, officially, mercifully gone.

2004. Day of reckoning.

Ever since then, BYU's been about the same in my eyes. Really good team that Utah should always compete with. But I wonder how long it will take for the reality of Utah's success the past decade to influence the way this rivalry is seen. It's still viewed, most of the time, like BYU has been dominant forever and Utah is this resurgent upstart. My view of that started to change in 1995 and changed for good in 2003. But I feel like I'm in the minority.

I guess 2004 sealed it for me, but I haven't judged Utah's success strictly through comparison to BYU's in a long time. Thank goodness those days are over.

[JohnnyLingo]

It's still viewed, most of the time, like BYU has been dominant forever and Utah is this resurgent upstart. My view of that started to change in 1995 and changed for good in 2003. But I feel like I'm in the minority.

I guess 2004 sealed it for me, but I haven't judged Utah's success strictly through comparison to BYU's in a long time. Thank goodness those days are over.

I can't fathom how anyone could still feel like BYU clearly owns the rivalry. At this point, I'm worrying about what will go wrong on Saturday: how many turnovers BYU will have and to what extent Utah will come out way more fired up than the Cougars.

[Portland Ute]

I can't fathom how anyone could still feel like BYU clearly owns the rivalry. At this point, I'm worrying about what will go wrong on Saturday: how many turnovers BYU will have and to what extent Utah will come out way more fired up than the Cougars.

They feel that way because they go back to 1976 and base their feeling on the head to head record over that 33 year period.

I find it interesting to look at it from the perspective of a high school kid. What's the average recruit thinking? Let's use 17 years as the average age. Born in 1992. All they have in their memory is parity between the two. They might remember 1994 or 1996(highly doubtful), but other than that, it's been pretty even, head to head. As far as highlights, the big stuff has all happened in their teenage years, and, for the most part, the big stuff has all been Utah with the Fiesta Bowl and Sugar Bowl undefeated seasons.

The longer the two programs battle it out on an equal field, the less the opinion will linger that BYU owns the rivalry. I think it hangs on in the opinionos of BYU fans that are in the 35-50 range. You get older than that, and BYU fans realize BYU was nothing prior to Lavell, you get younger than that and you realize that the rivalry, at best, is a draw.

[cougjunkie]

They feel that way because they go back to 1976 and base their feeling on the head to head record over that 33 year period.

I find it interesting to look at it from the perspective of a high school kid. What's the average recruit thinking? Let's use 17 years as the average age. Born in 1992. All they have in their memory is parity between the two. They might remember 1994 or 1996(highly doubtful), but other than that, it's been pretty even, head to head. As far as highlights, the big stuff has all happened in their teenage years, and, for the most part, the big stuff has all been Utah with the Fiesta Bowl and Sugar Bowl undefeated seasons.

The longer the two programs battle it out on an equal field, the less the opinion will linger that BYU owns the rivalry. I think it hangs on in the opinionos of BYU fans that are in the 35-50 range. You get older than that, and BYU fans realize BYU was nothing prior to Lavell, you get younger than that and you realize that the rivalry, at best, is a draw.

I understand what you are saying so how come this has not swayed more recruits towards the Utes? How come BYU still dominates the instate recruiting battles? The church factor?

[kccougar]

1988. Talking to Fred Graves the week before the BYU game, he was giddy with excitement that we got them at home that year. I remember getting out of the car on a beautiful day, and walking up the hill from the west parking lot, for the first time feeling that Utah really had a prayer. 57-28, bitches. Glorious.

I've written before that this was the first time I was able to attend a BYU game. I do remember that it was a beautiful fall day. What a crappy game.

[venkman]

My first BYU Utah game in person was '83.

For a kid of the 80's, Utah just wasn't a factor. They were a zero. I remember the 1988 game, figured it was a fluke - it was as proven true the next year. That 89 game was sweet revenge.

I was on my mission for the '93 game. 55 yard field goal? Fluke.

Next year. Lucky kickoff return - still a fluke.

But the 95 game was brutal. Just pathetic. I was five rows up on the east side. Our boys got their asses handed to them and acted like they just flat out didn't care. Only time I've really booed the players. Got in a fight in the stands with another BYU fan, got booted from the stadium. Good times.

Since then, the aura of invicibility around BYU has been shattered. I've never been confident in a BYU victory over the Utes since then.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

This is really cool. My view of BYU football has changed as much as Kirstie Alley's figure over the years.

I was born in 1977...

I always thought you were of the age of PAC, SU or DDD. This changes things, but I am unsure yet as to how.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

What year was that snow game at LES? Not the 3-0 game the older one? I remember being at that game. My oldest brother and I had walked over behind our Uncle's seats, my Uncle is a serious roll of TP, and I launched a snowball nailing him right in the head. As a young kid that was better than BYU winning.

[ReggaeCoug]

My first taste of the BYU/Utah craziness was in 2000 I believe. The famous run by Staley down the sideline in LES. That was actually my first game ever.