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  • Hey, DDD....

    The BCS is no longer a formula:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...EWW8QD9C1HD6O0
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  • #2
    Former director of men's basketball tournament, ironic.

    Also the BCS already had leadership structure. For instance the BCS coordinator is the ACC conference commissioner.

    http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/governance

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    • #3
      This is what I hate about the bowls and the bowl system. The bowls are financial entities with profit motives. They have full time staff. This new guy here is basically a PR guy. His job is to brainwash people into thinking the BCS is a good idea. I can't stand the bowls having that kind of influence over college football.

      By the way, IPU, I don't know if you read the article, but the BCS #1 and #2 are still picked by a formula. This guy doesn't pick the top two teams to play.

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      • #4
        This is an interesting move.

        As executive director of the BCS, what impact does he have on the formula? Are you suggesting that this is the guy that won't let TCU play for a national championship? It seems like this is simply the guy that will get yelled at and speak before congress. I don't think he has any impact on rankings since there is no mention of a change in the formula.

        This season more than ever has convinced me that the BCS is definitely better than the previous system. In theory, a playoff would be cooler, but I am not convinced at all that a playoff is practical or feasible, since the logistics for a football game are so much different than the logistics for a basketball game.

        There is no system that can guarantee a lack of controversy, as there will always be someone being left out...even in a playoff/March Madness format. The BCS is set up to make sure #1 plays #2. So far, it has succeeded in its goal to match 1 and 2. The formula may need some tweaking, but by and large, I am slowly becoming a BCS convert.

        This is a bad year for the anti-BCS crusaders. Previous claims that non-BCS would never play in a BCS bowl are totally out the window now. A non-BCS teams is now almost annually playing in BCS bowls. This year, TCU is mathemtically within striking range of the NC championship game and there is actually much talk about TCU AND BSU being invited to BCS bowls. That would not be a good development for the anti-BCS crowd.
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        • #5
          This is an interesting move. It seems that the conference presidents are getting tired of fielding the same questions over and over again.

          As executive director of the BCS, what impact does he have on the formula? Are you suggesting that this is the guy that won't let TCU play for a national championship? It seems like this is simply the guy that will get yelled at and speak before congress. I don't think he has any impact on rankings since there is no mention of a change in the formula.

          This season more than ever has convinced me that the BCS is definitely better than the previous system. In theory, a playoff would be cooler, but I am not convinced at all that a playoff is practical or feasible, since the logistics for a football game are so much different than the logistics for a basketball game.

          There is no system that can guarantee a lack of controversy, as there will always be someone being left out...even in a playoff/March Madness format. The BCS is set up to make sure #1 plays #2. So far, it has succeeded in its goal to match 1 and 2. The formula may need some tweaking, but by and large, I am slowly becoming a BCS convert.

          This is a bad year for the anti-BCS crusaders. Previous claims that non-BCS would never play in a BCS bowl are totally out the window now. A non-BCS teams is now almost annually playing in BCS bowls. This year, TCU is mathemtically within striking range of the NC championship game and there is actually much talk about TCU AND BSU being invited to BCS bowls. That would not be a good development for the anti-BCS crowd.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            This new guy here is basically a PR guy. His job is to brainwash people into thinking the BCS is a good idea. I can't stand the bowls having that kind of influence over college football.
            That description made me laugh too...

            "My feeling is that I can help people understand it," he said in a telephone interview. "A lot of the frustration with the BCS is because people don't understand it.
            "I completely understand where they are coming from. If you compare (the BCS) to the NFL or an NCAA tournament bracket, it's frustrating."
            Or to NCAA baseball, soccer, hockey, golf, swimming, etc, etc, etc...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
              This is a bad year for the anti-BCS crusaders. Previous claims that non-BCS would never play in a BCS bowl are totally out the window now. A non-BCS teams is now almost annually playing in BCS bowls. This year, TCU is mathemtically within striking range of the NC championship game and there is actually much talk about TCU AND BSU being invited to BCS bowls. That would not be a good development for the anti-BCS crowd.
              Well, I disagree with that. non-BCS schools still have to be undefeated to get a chance of playing in a BCS bowl. BCS schools can have 3 or 4 losses, as long as they still win their conference.

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              • #8
                While I don't like the BCS system, it is infinitely better than the previous system!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                  This is an interesting move. It seems that the conference presidents are getting tired of fielding the same questions over and over again.

                  As executive director of the BCS, what impact does he have on the formula? Are you suggesting that this is the guy that won't let TCU play for a national championship? It seems like this is simply the guy that will get yelled at and speak before congress. I don't think he has any impact on rankings since there is no mention of a change in the formula.

                  This season more than ever has convinced me that the BCS is definitely better than the previous system. In theory, a playoff would be cooler, but I am not convinced at all that a playoff is practical or feasible, since the logistics for a football game are so much different than the logistics for a basketball game.

                  There is no system that can guarantee a lack of controversy, as there will always be someone being left out...even in a playoff/March Madness format. The BCS is set up to make sure #1 plays #2. So far, it has succeeded in its goal to match 1 and 2. The formula may need some tweaking, but by and large, I am slowly becoming a BCS convert.

                  This is a bad year for the anti-BCS crusaders. Previous claims that non-BCS would never play in a BCS bowl are totally out the window now. A non-BCS teams is now almost annually playing in BCS bowls. This year, TCU is mathemtically within striking range of the NC championship game and there is actually much talk about TCU AND BSU being invited to BCS bowls. That would not be a good development for the anti-BCS crowd.
                  You say it has been successful in matching 1 and 2...the problem is it is dumb to figure out who is 1 and 2 by polls. BSU, Utah, Auburn, among others have deserved shots but have not gotten one. The BCS knows it aint fair, they dont care because of the money. Championships should not be rewarded because of money.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mtnbiker View Post
                    Well, I disagree with that. non-BCS schools still have to be undefeated to get a chance of playing in a BCS bowl. BCS schools can have 3 or 4 losses, as long as they still win their conference.
                    You realize the Pac 10 champ has been going to the Rose Bowl for the last 100 years, no matter if they have zero or 10 losses, right?

                    Ditto for the other BCS bowl tie-ins pre-BCS.

                    How is Boise State, Utah, TCU, and potentially two in one year going to one of these bowls less fair than what Boise State, Utah, and TCU had been facing for the 30 years prior to BCS formation?

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                    • #11
                      "A lot of the frustration with the BCS is because people don't understand it.

                      "They think there is this hypothetical playoff which would just be a panacea. The fact is a playoff would be as contentious or more contentious than what we have now.

                      "A playoff is just not right for college football."
                      They certainly found the right guy for the job. It's a shame though that his hair hasn't been able to regrow since the lobotomy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                        You say it has been successful in matching 1 and 2...the problem is it is dumb to figure out who is 1 and 2 by polls. BSU, Utah, Auburn, among others have deserved shots but have not gotten one. The BCS knows it aint fair, they dont care because of the money. Championships should not be rewarded because of money.
                        I think "fair" is the wrong word. All teams have an equal chance to get to #1 and #2. Field a team full of future NFL players and show it week in and week out, and I believe you will be in the championship game no matter if you're Florida or you're UNLV.

                        Is #3 getting screwed in a 1 vs 2? yes. Does #5 get screwed in a four team playoff? #9 in an 8 team playoff? etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                          You say it has been successful in matching 1 and 2...the problem is it is dumb to figure out who is 1 and 2 by polls. BSU, Utah, Auburn, among others have deserved shots but have not gotten one. The BCS knows it aint fair, they dont care because of the money. Championships should not be rewarded because of money.
                          This is a strawman argument. The scenario you described was already in place prior to the BCS and the Bowl Alliance. So it is not a BCS problem.

                          If you have a problem with handing out championships as a result of human polls, no problem. But your problem is with college football, in general, not the BCS. You do realize that BYU's national championship was the result of human polls, despite the fact that the general public was not necessarily entirely on board?

                          The BCS has never said anything about fairness. It is simply matching up 1 and 2.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                            I think "fair" is the wrong word. All teams have an equal chance to get to #1 and #2. Field a team full of future NFL players and show it week in and week out, and I believe you will be in the championship game no matter if you're Florida or you're UNLV.

                            Is #3 getting screwed in a 1 vs 2? yes. Does #5 get screwed in a four team playoff? #9 in an 8 team playoff? etc.
                            Preach it, Jay Santos!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                              Preach it, Jay Santos!
                              I'm somewhat shocked at myself for turning my position on the BCS. I was the biggest BCS hater ten years ago. Before that I was the biggest bowl hater. I'm still a big bowl hater. But within a bowl system, I think the current BCS system is about as ideal as you can get.

                              I used to think the BCS/non-BCS label was going to end up killing us. But I think now that being in the non-BCS darling category of Boise, BYU, Utah, TCU is in a way just as good as being BCS, in terms of national recognition and spotlight.

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