Let me preface by saying I like Bronco. I don't want to fire him, and I think he's a decent coach who has consistently made us competitive in the conference. But it seems like his teams don't progress like KW's. Utah shows steady improvement from the beginning to the end of every season, while BYU seems to stay the same. Am I out to lunch on this observation, or have others noticed the same thing?
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostLet me preface by saying I like Bronco. I don't want to fire him, and I think he's a decent coach who has consistently made us competitive in the conference. But it seems like his teams don't progress like KW's. Utah shows steady improvement from the beginning to the end of every season, while BYU seems to stay the same. Am I out to lunch on this observation, or have others noticed the same thing?
A big thing I noticed with Crowton's teams was that they would fade. Until last year, that wasn't the case with Bronco.
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I think Bronco brings some strengths to the table, not the least of which is an obsessive tendency to improve. Let's remember that he completely ditched his trademark defense because he realized it wasn't working. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll be a better coach at year 10 than he was in year 1 or 5, until he gives me reason to believe that he won't. I'm frustrated by the football 5th mentality (although I think this is hugely exaggerated--do you really think football is his 5th priority?), but I sensed in the postgame interviews that maybe he'll reevaluate this. Maybe he'll realize that these kids need to get used to balancing their lives themselves and that college is necessarily an unbalanced time of your life. They'll always have bosses who expect 100% commitment and they just have to find a way to deal with it.At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
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Originally posted by ERCougar View PostI think Bronco brings some strengths to the table, not the least of which is an obsessive tendency to improve. Let's remember that he completely ditched his trademark defense because he realized it wasn't working. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll be a better coach at year 10 than he was in year 1 or 5, until he gives me reason to believe that he won't. I'm frustrated by the football 5th mentality (although I think this is hugely exaggerated--do you really think football is his 5th priority?), but I sensed in the postgame interviews that maybe he'll reevaluate this. Maybe he'll realize that these kids need to get used to balancing their lives themselves and that college is necessarily an unbalanced time of your life. They'll always have bosses who expect 100% commitment and they just have to find a way to deal with it."Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault
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Originally posted by ERCougar View PostI think Bronco brings some strengths to the table, not the least of which is an obsessive tendency to improve. Let's remember that he completely ditched his trademark defense because he realized it wasn't working. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll be a better coach at year 10 than he was in year 1 or 5, until he gives me reason to believe that he won't. I'm frustrated by the football 5th mentality (although I think this is hugely exaggerated--do you really think football is his 5th priority?), but I sensed in the postgame interviews that maybe he'll reevaluate this. Maybe he'll realize that these kids need to get used to balancing their lives themselves and that college is necessarily an unbalanced time of your life. They'll always have bosses who expect 100% commitment and they just have to find a way to deal with it.
My following opinion comes from the perspective that I don't think God cares whether I support BYU or not. It is a free choice which I won't be held accountable for.
That being said, what I expect out of Bronco is to win football games at least on the same level as the top team in the conference.
Now if he thinks having firesides, making the team do community service and whatever else he requires of them makes them better football players that's OK with me. I will judge on the results, wins. If he thinks that stuff makes me all the more want to be a BYU football fan, well he has misjudged me and a lot of other fans.
If he and the admin. think they don't need my kind of fan, well heck that is OK too. Just don't indicate I have low character because I feel the way I do.
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Just to avoid a potential thread diversion, I was more interested in comparing/contrasting Bronco and Kyle than a scrutiny of just one or the other.sigpic
"Outlined against a blue, gray
October sky the Four Horsemen rode again"
Grantland Rice, 1924
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Originally posted by Blueintheface View PostI think that's wishful thinking to think Bronco truly will reevaluate the way he does things related to spiritual matters vs football. He prides himself on consistency and spirituality. Maybe pride is the key word in that sentence.
Whether a mullah administration feels differently is a whole different story.At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostJust to avoid a potential thread diversion, I was more interested in comparing/contrasting Bronco and Kyle than a scrutiny of just one or the other."The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
"They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."
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Originally posted by byu71 View PostMy following opinion comes from the perspective that I don't think God cares whether I support BYU or not. It is a free choice which I won't be held accountable for.
That being said, what I expect out of Bronco is to win football games at least on the same level as the top team in the conference.
I think his first job is to not embarass the university (HC violations).
Originally posted by byu71 View PostNow if he thinks having firesides, making the team do community service and whatever else he requires of them makes them better football players that's OK with me. I will judge on the results, wins. If he thinks that stuff makes me all the more want to be a BYU football fan, well he has misjudged me and a lot of other fans.
If he and the admin. think they don't need my kind of fan, well heck that is OK too. Just don't indicate I have low character because I feel the way I do.
And even if he does believe it, the only way to win more games is to have superior atheltes who work hard.
I think the best that can be hoped for is a service academy type program. The hands are just too tied up to be anything more. The LaVell era is over.I intend to live forever.
So far, so good.
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostJust to avoid a potential thread diversion, I was more interested in comparing/contrasting Bronco and Kyle than a scrutiny of just one or the other.
Beyond that, well, I'll leave it to Goatnapper's favorite WYO poster to sum up my feelings about the two: "I hope they all get the AIDS in their eyes and die screaming."There's no such thing as luck, only drunken invincibility. Make it happen.
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Originally posted by Brian View PostI don't think his boss has the same expectation.
I think his first job is to not embarass the university (HC violations).
I really don't think Bronco thinks football should be #5, but it's all a big PR thing.
And even if he does believe it, the only way to win more games is to have superior atheltes who work hard.
I think the best that can be hoped for is a service academy type program. The hands are just too tied up to be anything more. The LaVell era is over.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”
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Originally posted by landpoke View PostKyle has a front butt, Bronco doesn't.
Beyond that, well, I'll leave it to Goatnapper's favorite WYO poster to sum up my feelings about the two: "I hope they all get the AIDS in their eyes and die screaming."sigpic
"Outlined against a blue, gray
October sky the Four Horsemen rode again"
Grantland Rice, 1924
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