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    Let me preface by saying I like Bronco. I don't want to fire him, and I think he's a decent coach who has consistently made us competitive in the conference. But it seems like his teams don't progress like KW's. Utah shows steady improvement from the beginning to the end of every season, while BYU seems to stay the same. Am I out to lunch on this observation, or have others noticed the same thing?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by cowboy View Post
      Let me preface by saying I like Bronco. I don't want to fire him, and I think he's a decent coach who has consistently made us competitive in the conference. But it seems like his teams don't progress like KW's. Utah shows steady improvement from the beginning to the end of every season, while BYU seems to stay the same. Am I out to lunch on this observation, or have others noticed the same thing?
      They used to progress. The always started 1-2 and improved from there, but not the last few years.

      A big thing I noticed with Crowton's teams was that they would fade. Until last year, that wasn't the case with Bronco.

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      • #4
        I think Bronco brings some strengths to the table, not the least of which is an obsessive tendency to improve. Let's remember that he completely ditched his trademark defense because he realized it wasn't working. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll be a better coach at year 10 than he was in year 1 or 5, until he gives me reason to believe that he won't. I'm frustrated by the football 5th mentality (although I think this is hugely exaggerated--do you really think football is his 5th priority?), but I sensed in the postgame interviews that maybe he'll reevaluate this. Maybe he'll realize that these kids need to get used to balancing their lives themselves and that college is necessarily an unbalanced time of your life. They'll always have bosses who expect 100% commitment and they just have to find a way to deal with it.
        At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
        -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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        • #5
          Max Hall and Andy Dalton vs. Utah, 2007-08 combined (4 games total):

          74-163 (45.3%), 889 yards, 0 TDs, 12 INTs, 8 sacks.
          Pass Efficiency Rating: 76.49

          I see TCU winning this year's game 16-3 though.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
            I think Bronco brings some strengths to the table, not the least of which is an obsessive tendency to improve. Let's remember that he completely ditched his trademark defense because he realized it wasn't working. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll be a better coach at year 10 than he was in year 1 or 5, until he gives me reason to believe that he won't. I'm frustrated by the football 5th mentality (although I think this is hugely exaggerated--do you really think football is his 5th priority?), but I sensed in the postgame interviews that maybe he'll reevaluate this. Maybe he'll realize that these kids need to get used to balancing their lives themselves and that college is necessarily an unbalanced time of your life. They'll always have bosses who expect 100% commitment and they just have to find a way to deal with it.
            I think that's wishful thinking to think Bronco truly will reevaluate the way he does things related to spiritual matters vs football. He prides himself on consistency and spirituality. Maybe pride is the key word in that sentence.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
              I think Bronco brings some strengths to the table, not the least of which is an obsessive tendency to improve. Let's remember that he completely ditched his trademark defense because he realized it wasn't working. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll be a better coach at year 10 than he was in year 1 or 5, until he gives me reason to believe that he won't. I'm frustrated by the football 5th mentality (although I think this is hugely exaggerated--do you really think football is his 5th priority?), but I sensed in the postgame interviews that maybe he'll reevaluate this. Maybe he'll realize that these kids need to get used to balancing their lives themselves and that college is necessarily an unbalanced time of your life. They'll always have bosses who expect 100% commitment and they just have to find a way to deal with it.

              My following opinion comes from the perspective that I don't think God cares whether I support BYU or not. It is a free choice which I won't be held accountable for.

              That being said, what I expect out of Bronco is to win football games at least on the same level as the top team in the conference.

              Now if he thinks having firesides, making the team do community service and whatever else he requires of them makes them better football players that's OK with me. I will judge on the results, wins. If he thinks that stuff makes me all the more want to be a BYU football fan, well he has misjudged me and a lot of other fans.

              If he and the admin. think they don't need my kind of fan, well heck that is OK too. Just don't indicate I have low character because I feel the way I do.

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              • #8
                Just to avoid a potential thread diversion, I was more interested in comparing/contrasting Bronco and Kyle than a scrutiny of just one or the other.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                  I think that's wishful thinking to think Bronco truly will reevaluate the way he does things related to spiritual matters vs football. He prides himself on consistency and spirituality. Maybe pride is the key word in that sentence.
                  It probably is wishful thinking. But in the back of my mind, I think of how different my way of putting spirituality first is now vs 10 years ago. I don't think that being an excellent football coach is incompatible with being a great person. Maybe he'll figure out that doing his job in an outstanding fashion is as inspiring as a fireside to impressionable kids? Bronco's obviously a competitive guy, so I hold out hope that he'll change his tune. I sensed that in the interview after the game. Maybe it is wishful thinking.

                  Whether a mullah administration feels differently is a whole different story.
                  At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                  -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cowboy View Post
                    Just to avoid a potential thread diversion, I was more interested in comparing/contrasting Bronco and Kyle than a scrutiny of just one or the other.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                      My following opinion comes from the perspective that I don't think God cares whether I support BYU or not. It is a free choice which I won't be held accountable for.

                      That being said, what I expect out of Bronco is to win football games at least on the same level as the top team in the conference.
                      I don't think his boss has the same expectation.
                      I think his first job is to not embarass the university (HC violations).

                      Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                      Now if he thinks having firesides, making the team do community service and whatever else he requires of them makes them better football players that's OK with me. I will judge on the results, wins. If he thinks that stuff makes me all the more want to be a BYU football fan, well he has misjudged me and a lot of other fans.

                      If he and the admin. think they don't need my kind of fan, well heck that is OK too. Just don't indicate I have low character because I feel the way I do.
                      I really don't think Bronco thinks football should be #5, but it's all a big PR thing.
                      And even if he does believe it, the only way to win more games is to have superior atheltes who work hard.

                      I think the best that can be hoped for is a service academy type program. The hands are just too tied up to be anything more. The LaVell era is over.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cowboy View Post
                        Just to avoid a potential thread diversion, I was more interested in comparing/contrasting Bronco and Kyle than a scrutiny of just one or the other.
                        Kyle has a front butt, Bronco doesn't.

                        Beyond that, well, I'll leave it to Goatnapper's favorite WYO poster to sum up my feelings about the two: "I hope they all get the AIDS in their eyes and die screaming."
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Brian View Post
                          I don't think his boss has the same expectation.
                          I think his first job is to not embarass the university (HC violations).



                          I really don't think Bronco thinks football should be #5, but it's all a big PR thing.
                          And even if he does believe it, the only way to win more games is to have superior atheltes who work hard.

                          I think the best that can be hoped for is a service academy type program. The hands are just too tied up to be anything more. The LaVell era is over.
                          I think Bronco could have more success elsewhere. His hands are tied by the HC (combined with the actual enforcement of the HC). For selfish reasons, I want Bronco to stay, but he could excel at a number of different programs around the country.
                          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                          • #14
                            Maybe there was some truth the 50-something bearded, long haired loud annoying fan that sat behind me Saturday when he said "We will never beat and of them playing this dadgumed white man football". I wasn't sure if "them" was specific to TCU or tall non-Scandinavians.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by landpoke View Post
                              Kyle has a front butt, Bronco doesn't.

                              Beyond that, well, I'll leave it to Goatnapper's favorite WYO poster to sum up my feelings about the two: "I hope they all get the AIDS in their eyes and die screaming."
                              How does one go about contracting that disease? Unprotected viewing of gay porn?
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