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UtahDan
12-20-2008, 06:36 AM
“I don’t think that’s because of the teams we played—I think we’re equally if not more talented than the teams we’ve played—it’s just that we beat ourselves,” he said.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-lasvegasbowl&prov=ap&type=lgns

I am going to miss Austin Collie.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
12-20-2008, 08:04 AM
I thought it was because two teams scored more points than BYU did. I guess it was because of arrogant quotes though.

LiveCoug
12-20-2008, 10:13 AM
I'm going to miss Austin Collie too. He is a great player and he gets under Ute fans skin. Two for one deal there! :)

Sizzle
12-20-2008, 10:47 AM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-lasvegasbowl&prov=ap&type=lgns

I am going to miss Austin Collie.

I don't know why you would say this. If it were true (which it may or may not be), it means you severely underachieved, because it isn't like you barely lost to either team. Both times you got your ass kicked. Prove that you deserved to win by beating the piss out of Arizona, then talk.

Sadly, I think BYU loses tonight.

creekster
12-20-2008, 10:49 AM
I don't know why you would say this. If it were true (which it may or may not be), it means you severely underachieved, because it isn't like you barely lost to either team. Both times you got your ass kicked. Prove that you deserved to win by beating the piss out of Arizona, then talk.

Sadly, I think BYU loses tonight.

I find that top perfromers in most fields are very arrogant and rarely think they were beaten by someone better. The arrotgance is one of the reasons they are a top perfromer.

TripletDaddy
12-20-2008, 02:43 PM
I find that top perfromers in most fields are very arrogant and rarely think they were beaten by someone better. The arrotgance is one of the reasons they are a top perfromer.

I agree. Whether in business, sports, or message boards, the best are always a little arrogant, I would say.

UtahDan
12-20-2008, 02:57 PM
I agree. Whether in business, sports, or message boards, the best are always a little arrogant, I would say.

That isn't my experience. Yes they are arrogant, but I am accustomed to seeing the best say that they didn't do all they could while simultaneously crediting their adversary. Austin is just the latest in a long line of BYU players who only think BYU beats BYU and recently that has worked jut fine for BYU. You will win tonight and that is 3 years of 11 wins so you can't complaint too much about that. This is just something in the football culture there. It occurs too much not to be. See Poppinga, Brown, etc.

Sizzle
12-20-2008, 03:14 PM
I find that top perfromers in most fields are very arrogant and rarely think they were beaten by someone better. The arrotgance is one of the reasons they are a top perfromer.

While that may be true, they don't have to come out and say it. I'm sure they believe it, but you don't have to always say it.

SCcoug
12-20-2008, 03:49 PM
Austin is just the latest in a long line of BYU players who only think BYU beats BYU and recently that has worked jut fine for BYU. You will win tonight and that is 3 years of 11 wins so you can't complaint too much about that. This is just something in the football culture there.


BYU has preached execution going back since Lavell took over. Bronco has amplified that sentiment since becoming head coach. The players get that from the top.
From the article you quoted from:


It’s about our preparation, our position mastery and our execution. We really don’t acknowledge whom we’re playing or where, and so our approach has just been very consistent.

It isn't surprising the players feel that if they lose it was because they didn't execute properly, which is true but says nothing to the other team's affect on the poor execution. But I'd say the execution mantra is a big part of the success BYU has had.

ERCougar
12-20-2008, 04:11 PM
That isn't my experience. Yes they are arrogant, but I am accustomed to seeing the best say that they didn't do all they could while simultaneously crediting their adversary. Austin is just the latest in a long line of BYU players who only think BYU beats BYU and recently that has worked jut fine for BYU. You will win tonight and that is 3 years of 11 wins so you can't complaint too much about that. This is just something in the football culture there. It occurs too much not to be. See Poppinga, Brown, etc.

Have to disagree a little. The best always think they're the best, they just may be pretty at saying the right thing in public. Collie's not so good at that.

There are certainly the losers who think they're the best and talk a big game, but Collie's not in that class.

Clark Addison
12-20-2008, 04:17 PM
Have to disagree a little. The best always think they're the best, they just may be pretty at saying the right thing in public. Collie's not so good at that.

If you listen to entire interviews of Collie, he doesn't come across badly at all. He definitely comes across as a little cocky, but even more, he speaks his mind. This means he will say things that a reporter can use as a sound byte and get a reaction with. People criticize athletes for only speaking in cliches, but when you get someone who doesn't, people say they should shut up.

In addition, this, like the whole magic happens quote, is an instance of Collie getting grief for things that are really not uncommon for athletes to say.

ERCougar
12-20-2008, 04:20 PM
If you listen to entire interviews of Collie, he doesn't come across badly at all. He definitely comes across as a little cocky, but even more, he speaks his mind. This means he will say things that a reporter can use as a sound byte and get a reaction with. People criticize athletes for only speaking in cliches, but when you get someone who doesn't, people say they should shut up.

In addition, this, like the whole magic happens quote, is an instance of Collie getting grief for things that are really not uncommon for athletes to say.

I agree that the reaction to the magic comment is a function of oversensitive Ute fans and a religion-tinged rivalry. Nowhere else does that comment get any kind of reaction at all. However, I'll give the Utes the benefit of the doubt and say that he should be aware of the nature of the rivalry and be a little more circumspect in his comments.

mpfunk
12-20-2008, 07:04 PM
If you listen to entire interviews of Collie, he doesn't come across badly at all. He definitely comes across as a little cocky, but even more, he speaks his mind. This means he will say things that a reporter can use as a sound byte and get a reaction with. People criticize athletes for only speaking in cliches, but when you get someone who doesn't, people say they should shut up.

In addition, this, like the whole magic happens quote, is an instance of Collie getting grief for things that are really not uncommon for athletes to say.

Austin Collie is extremely cocky in everything that I have ever heard from him.

Brian
12-20-2008, 08:32 PM
Austin Collie is extremely cocky in everything that I have ever heard from him.

FWIW, a dude (who is a big zoob) at my brother's firm's has a brother who missioned with Brother Collie. He said a lot of the missionaries couldn't stand him, a very arrogant prick.

myboynoah
12-20-2008, 11:09 PM
Ute Fans really need to write a book on proper player and fan behavior. Call it "The Ute Way" or something like that.

DrumNFeather
12-21-2008, 07:02 PM
Ute Fans really need to write a book on proper player and fan behavior. Call it "The Ute Way" or something like that.

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